| Another Brexit thread 08:27 - Aug 5 with 14739 views | waynekerr55 |
Genuine questions which I feel deserve a thread of their own
What made you vote leave or remain?
Based on the facts now, would you change your decision?
I voted remain as I wasn't convinced by either sides argument so I stuck with the status quo.
I'd stick to my decision, simply because there is no tangible evidence that leaving sorts us out in the short to medium term. |  |
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| Another Brexit thread on 09:31 - Aug 8 with 988 views | Ebo |
| Another Brexit thread on 09:24 - Aug 8 by AlfieMooresSon |
We will come out better and stronger in five years or less, according to project fear we would have been in recession the day after a vote for leave, never happened!
Germany and Europe will go into recession when we leave, their car industry will take a battering until they give us a good trade deal, and they are already losing ground to Korea and the rest on electric cars!
We will be far better off out, but there will be some untangling to do for a year or two! |
Untangling? I wouldn't trust Boris to tie my f ucking shoelaces! |  |
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| Another Brexit thread on 09:36 - Aug 8 with 976 views | WarwickHunt |
| Another Brexit thread on 09:24 - Aug 8 by AlfieMooresSon |
We will come out better and stronger in five years or less, according to project fear we would have been in recession the day after a vote for leave, never happened!
Germany and Europe will go into recession when we leave, their car industry will take a battering until they give us a good trade deal, and they are already losing ground to Korea and the rest on electric cars!
We will be far better off out, but there will be some untangling to do for a year or two! |
Put the crack pipe down, Alfie. |  | | |
| Another Brexit thread on 09:39 - Aug 8 with 982 views | Professor |
| Another Brexit thread on 08:11 - Aug 8 by AlfieMooresSon |
I agree but they are doing it because they can, as are landlords exploiting them in multiple houses of occupation etc.
The inflow of cheap labour will be reduced with a points system like Australia, we can get Nurses and Doctors and jobs with genuine shortages covered. |
None of which addresses the problem that there are limited opportunities in areas like the old Lancashire mill towns, Sunderland or parts of Wales. No shortage of work and opportunity in the South East. Controls on immigration will not help Sunderland, Ellesmere Port, Swindon or Deeside when Nissan, Vauxhall, Honda and Airbus leave |  | | |
| Another Brexit thread on 09:47 - Aug 8 with 973 views | AlfieMooresSon |
| Another Brexit thread on 09:36 - Aug 8 by WarwickHunt |
Put the crack pipe down, Alfie. |
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| Another Brexit thread on 09:56 - Aug 8 with 960 views | AlfieMooresSon |
| Another Brexit thread on 09:28 - Aug 8 by waynekerr55 |
Genuine question Alf, what makes you think we'll be fine in 5 years? We could also have a Corbyn government... |
Corbyn government and we are well and truly facked no matter what happens with Brexit!
It is all up in the air, but Dominic Cummings plan is to push Brexit through and have an election straight after maybe 1st November and that will finish the Brexit party, then they will try and sweep up all the leavers on the basis that they got us out, and they will take us through it with a bigger majority.
The people will win and Parliament and labours attempt to stop it have failed, that's the plan anyway if Corbyn should get in (very doubtful) then we really are facked, he and McDonnell couldn't manage a sweet shop! [Post edited 8 Aug 2019 10:00]
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| Another Brexit thread on 09:59 - Aug 8 with 947 views | WarwickHunt |
| Another Brexit thread on 09:56 - Aug 8 by AlfieMooresSon |
Corbyn government and we are well and truly facked no matter what happens with Brexit!
It is all up in the air, but Dominic Cummings plan is to push Brexit through and have an election straight after maybe 1st November and that will finish the Brexit party, then they will try and sweep up all the leavers on the basis that they got us out, and they will take us through it with a bigger majority.
The people will win and Parliament and labours attempt to stop it have failed, that's the plan anyway if Corbyn should get in (very doubtful) then we really are facked, he and McDonnell couldn't manage a sweet shop! [Post edited 8 Aug 2019 10:00]
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McDonald has a farm. Common knowledge.
PS “the people” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 [Post edited 8 Aug 2019 10:00]
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| Another Brexit thread on 09:59 - Aug 8 with 953 views | AlfieMooresSon |
| Another Brexit thread on 09:39 - Aug 8 by Professor |
None of which addresses the problem that there are limited opportunities in areas like the old Lancashire mill towns, Sunderland or parts of Wales. No shortage of work and opportunity in the South East. Controls on immigration will not help Sunderland, Ellesmere Port, Swindon or Deeside when Nissan, Vauxhall, Honda and Airbus leave |
Yes, it will instead of cheap polish factory workers, you can have slightly more expensive welsh Lancashire workers!
They won't all leave because of Brexit they will leave to move to Malaysia or wherever they can build electric cars cheaper, Brexit is an excuse! | | | |
| Another Brexit thread on 10:03 - Aug 8 with 945 views | AlfieMooresSon |
| Another Brexit thread on 09:59 - Aug 8 by WarwickHunt |
McDonald has a farm. Common knowledge.
PS “the people” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 [Post edited 8 Aug 2019 10:00]
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McDonell, Freudian slip he's as much use as old McDonald! | | | |
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| Another Brexit thread on 10:03 - Aug 8 with 936 views | WarwickHunt |
| Another Brexit thread on 09:59 - Aug 8 by AlfieMooresSon |
Yes, it will instead of cheap polish factory workers, you can have slightly more expensive welsh Lancashire workers!
They won't all leave because of Brexit they will leave to move to Malaysia or wherever they can build electric cars cheaper, Brexit is an excuse! |
How many “polish” factories do you think there are?
Any chance you could stop making an utter cûnt of yourself anytime soon, old fruit? It’s becoming a tad tedious now. | | | |
| Another Brexit thread on 10:17 - Aug 8 with 932 views | AlfieMooresSon |
| Another Brexit thread on 10:03 - Aug 8 by WarwickHunt |
How many “polish” factories do you think there are?
Any chance you could stop making an utter cûnt of yourself anytime soon, old fruit? It’s becoming a tad tedious now. |
Welsh factories full of cheap Polish and other overseas workers ask people who work in factories!
I don't but speak to people who do! | | | |
| Another Brexit thread on 10:18 - Aug 8 with 931 views | Batterseajack |
F**k me, so after pushing us over the cliff, our government will take its hand off the tiller and go straight into a general election. | | | |
| Another Brexit thread on 10:25 - Aug 8 with 915 views | WarwickHunt |
| Another Brexit thread on 10:17 - Aug 8 by AlfieMooresSon |
Welsh factories full of cheap Polish and other overseas workers ask people who work in factories!
I don't but speak to people who do! |
English not your first language? How ironic... | | | |
| Another Brexit thread on 11:17 - Aug 8 with 894 views | waynekerr55 |
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| Another Brexit thread on 11:42 - Aug 8 with 882 views | Professor |
| Another Brexit thread on 10:17 - Aug 8 by AlfieMooresSon |
Welsh factories full of cheap Polish and other overseas workers ask people who work in factories!
I don't but speak to people who do! |
Eastern European labour costs are changing. Certainly Poland and Czech Republic are no longer the cheap labour for Fiat and VW. A lot of Dacia production is now in India and Ford make some models there too. Baltic states seem to be the source of many workers now . In time this will change too. Remember even China are outsourcing labour to Africa for things like tyres. I have seen this Chinese investment at first hand. I can assure you we are insignificant compared to these huge developing economies. Brexit is about a low tax, low cost subservient workforce to service a likely offshore tax dodge economy. Manufacturing will be high-end products. Conditions for workers are heading back to the 1930s | | | |
| Another Brexit thread on 11:43 - Aug 8 with 874 views | WarwickHunt |
Has anyone ever seen E.T. and Dodgy Dom in the same room? [Post edited 8 Aug 2019 11:43]
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| Another Brexit thread on 11:45 - Aug 8 with 872 views | WarwickHunt |
| Another Brexit thread on 11:42 - Aug 8 by Professor |
Eastern European labour costs are changing. Certainly Poland and Czech Republic are no longer the cheap labour for Fiat and VW. A lot of Dacia production is now in India and Ford make some models there too. Baltic states seem to be the source of many workers now . In time this will change too. Remember even China are outsourcing labour to Africa for things like tyres. I have seen this Chinese investment at first hand. I can assure you we are insignificant compared to these huge developing economies. Brexit is about a low tax, low cost subservient workforce to service a likely offshore tax dodge economy. Manufacturing will be high-end products. Conditions for workers are heading back to the 1930s |
Pointless trying to educate pork, Prof. | | | |
| Another Brexit thread on 12:13 - Aug 8 with 860 views | Professor |
| Another Brexit thread on 11:45 - Aug 8 by WarwickHunt |
Pointless trying to educate pork, Prof. |
There is nothing wrong with disagreement. There are eloquent arguments made by people like Lohengrin I cannot agree with. But they have a basis in fact and are politely made. Some are beyond reason though | | | |
| Another Brexit thread on 12:30 - Aug 8 with 849 views | Jango |
| Another Brexit thread on 12:13 - Aug 8 by Professor |
There is nothing wrong with disagreement. There are eloquent arguments made by people like Lohengrin I cannot agree with. But they have a basis in fact and are politely made. Some are beyond reason though |
Can I just ask where are your facts that suggest we are heading back to the 1930s? | | | |
| Another Brexit thread on 13:39 - Aug 8 with 813 views | BryanSwan |
| Another Brexit thread on 12:13 - Aug 8 by Professor |
There is nothing wrong with disagreement. There are eloquent arguments made by people like Lohengrin I cannot agree with. But they have a basis in fact and are politely made. Some are beyond reason though |
This in spades. People on both sides of the argument seem to lose their minds confronted by a different opinion. | |
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| Another Brexit thread on 13:46 - Aug 8 with 802 views | Lohengrin |
| Another Brexit thread on 12:30 - Aug 8 by Jango |
Can I just ask where are your facts that suggest we are heading back to the 1930s? |
There is an obvious parallel, Jango. Then as now stagnating wages and rising prices create the inability to consume production. Marry that to chronic job insecurity and unfair competition and the outline of a familiar picture begins to emerge. |  |
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| Another Brexit thread on 13:50 - Aug 8 with 798 views | chad |
| Another Brexit thread on 20:16 - Aug 7 by londonlisa2001 |
“referred to you both as London’s finest because you both like to mention how well off you are and how you’ll benefit from the tax breaks for wealthy after Brexit. ”
Sorry, but that is absolute nonsense.
I never talk about being well off or not well off. The only time I’ve ever mentioned anything to do with money is when I was being criticised about my motivation (accusations of ‘you only care about Brexit because it suits you elite’ type stuff) and I pointed out that a Boris Johnson government would probably make me better off not worse off as he would direct post Brexit remedial policies at people like me.
You are being grossly unfair. I haven’t said anything about ‘crappy jobs’. Ever. I agreed with the point about people harking back to empire. I even elaborated on that by mentioning people harking back to the war or the Cold War.
You know nothing about me. Stop presuming you do, and stop with the spiteful ‘you know best’ remarks as well.
I wouldn’t dream of saying I know more than you do about whatever your specialism is. ( I’ve frequently said I completely understand why you think you’ll be better off, but I’ve also said that the brake on immigration you anticipate will not happen. In fact, since I’ve told you that, several measures have been announced that confirm my view).
Why do you constantly presume to know more than me about mine? Or think I’m being a know it all when I say what will happen. You don’t call wingstandwood a know it all when he talks about construction. It’s absolute bollox. [Post edited 7 Aug 2019 20:17]
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In fairness Lisa it seems it is not the “only time” you “have ever mentioned anything to do with money” as the quote below from you seems to indicate.
The bit after you denigrate Trust members attending forums and politely taking their turn to raise salient issues, as well as also offering our help (which, of course, would be merely for the pleasure and satisfaction of doing it)......
“After the disastrous and ridiculous vote, I have tried to do something constructive to help. Not mouth off on forums, but devote literally hundreds of hours, free of charge, to add my experience to sorting out this utter sh*t. Not one penny for, to be frank, work that I would normally get paid tens of thousands of pounds for.
I also suppose that the problem of experts predicting the outcomes on massively complex interrelated systems is even the best of them can get it very badly wrong (see Governor of the Bank of England for e.g.) |  | | |
| Another Brexit thread on 13:57 - Aug 8 with 794 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Another Brexit thread on 09:39 - Aug 8 by Professor |
None of which addresses the problem that there are limited opportunities in areas like the old Lancashire mill towns, Sunderland or parts of Wales. No shortage of work and opportunity in the South East. Controls on immigration will not help Sunderland, Ellesmere Port, Swindon or Deeside when Nissan, Vauxhall, Honda and Airbus leave |
Car manufacturing has many problems, of which Brexit is next to nothing.
Airbus threatened to leave if we didn't join the Euro. It's as if they had some EU funding or something. | | | |
| Another Brexit thread on 14:19 - Aug 8 with 780 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Another Brexit thread on 13:50 - Aug 8 by chad |
In fairness Lisa it seems it is not the “only time” you “have ever mentioned anything to do with money” as the quote below from you seems to indicate.
The bit after you denigrate Trust members attending forums and politely taking their turn to raise salient issues, as well as also offering our help (which, of course, would be merely for the pleasure and satisfaction of doing it)......
“After the disastrous and ridiculous vote, I have tried to do something constructive to help. Not mouth off on forums, but devote literally hundreds of hours, free of charge, to add my experience to sorting out this utter sh*t. Not one penny for, to be frank, work that I would normally get paid tens of thousands of pounds for.
I also suppose that the problem of experts predicting the outcomes on massively complex interrelated systems is even the best of them can get it very badly wrong (see Governor of the Bank of England for e.g.) |
You really are a tedious little troll chad.
If you read the post that you have literally just quoted, I refer to ‘hundreds of hours’ being spent.
Equating that to tens of thousands of pounds is simply an exercise in multiplication. It holds if I’m paid anything above £20 an hour for my work. It was talking about how much time I have devoted to get where we are.
Stick to providing incorrect insight about how a minority shareholder can be forced out perhaps?
Or you could, alternatively spend even more time constantly criticising me and Uxbridge in the guise of you wanting to ‘help the trust’.
We’ve just had a Trust election. Didn’t see your name anywhere. It’s almost as if you’re not actually prepared to do anything - just prefer to criticise those that do. | | | |
| Another Brexit thread on 14:26 - Aug 8 with 770 views | waynekerr55 |
| Another Brexit thread on 13:50 - Aug 8 by chad |
In fairness Lisa it seems it is not the “only time” you “have ever mentioned anything to do with money” as the quote below from you seems to indicate.
The bit after you denigrate Trust members attending forums and politely taking their turn to raise salient issues, as well as also offering our help (which, of course, would be merely for the pleasure and satisfaction of doing it)......
“After the disastrous and ridiculous vote, I have tried to do something constructive to help. Not mouth off on forums, but devote literally hundreds of hours, free of charge, to add my experience to sorting out this utter sh*t. Not one penny for, to be frank, work that I would normally get paid tens of thousands of pounds for.
I also suppose that the problem of experts predicting the outcomes on massively complex interrelated systems is even the best of them can get it very badly wrong (see Governor of the Bank of England for e.g.) |
Did he get it massively wrong though?
The doomsday scenario didn't play out straight away, but when you have the former CEO of Sainsburys saying shelves will be empty and food shortages will occur in the event of no deal, surely people have to take this seriously?
Alternatively (not you, may I hasten to add), we can have hope and believe more in Brexit, the only statement more absurd than a fùcking "jobs first Brexit" [Post edited 8 Aug 2019 14:30]
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| Another Brexit thread on 14:41 - Aug 8 with 756 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Another Brexit thread on 14:26 - Aug 8 by waynekerr55 |
Did he get it massively wrong though?
The doomsday scenario didn't play out straight away, but when you have the former CEO of Sainsburys saying shelves will be empty and food shortages will occur in the event of no deal, surely people have to take this seriously?
Alternatively (not you, may I hasten to add), we can have hope and believe more in Brexit, the only statement more absurd than a fùcking "jobs first Brexit" [Post edited 8 Aug 2019 14:30]
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The total cost to the UK economy to date of the brexit decision has actually been greater than predicted before the vote.
Chad, who appears to get her brexit info from the Express, has constantly claimed the BofE were wrong and has even repeatedly stated that Carney apologised for them.
He didn’t of course, but hey, that’s not important.Repeat the lie often enough and people believe it.
Don’t take my word for it, if course, read this as just one example:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-28/carney-s-not-sorry-about-brex
But, you know, what do Bloomberg know about financial information, when compared to the PS Brexit cheerleaders? | | | |
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