| Gove on 13:17 - Jun 9 with 1869 views | Lala |
To be honest there won’t be many politicians who haven’t dabbled at some point, especially in their uni days
I can count on 2 fingers the friends I have who haven’t at least tried drugs. I’m very anti drugs but have had a couple of spliffs way back and the youngsters today are shovelling more up their noses than we could ever imagine according to my girls. |  |
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| Gove on 13:25 - Jun 9 with 1866 views | Hannibal |
| Gove on 13:17 - Jun 9 by Lala |
To be honest there won’t be many politicians who haven’t dabbled at some point, especially in their uni days
I can count on 2 fingers the friends I have who haven’t at least tried drugs. I’m very anti drugs but have had a couple of spliffs way back and the youngsters today are shovelling more up their noses than we could ever imagine according to my girls. |
I don’t care about if he took drugs in the past.
I do care about him taking drugs in 1999 and then writing in The Times in 1999 finger wagging at middle class drug users like some holier than thou.
That’s a whoosh moment from you LALA. |  |
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| Gove on 13:37 - Jun 9 with 1861 views | BringBackTheRedRoom |
| Gove on 13:25 - Jun 9 by Hannibal |
I don’t care about if he took drugs in the past.
I do care about him taking drugs in 1999 and then writing in The Times in 1999 finger wagging at middle class drug users like some holier than thou.
That’s a whoosh moment from you LALA. |
Think Gove's problem is that this happened in his 30's well over 10 years after leaving uni. Like to know what he put on his Visa waver application when he travelled to the USA. |  |
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| Gove on 13:41 - Jun 9 with 1858 views | Hannibal |
| Gove on 13:37 - Jun 9 by BringBackTheRedRoom |
Think Gove's problem is that this happened in his 30's well over 10 years after leaving uni. Like to know what he put on his Visa waver application when he travelled to the USA. |
Exactly BBTRR. He was 32 going on 33 when he did it. Not exactly a youngster at or recently at university. I could get over that though. But it’s the hypocrisy about this that takes the piss.
I believe the phrase used these days in matters like this is, ‘trust issues’.
In other words he’s a liar and a hypocrite.
Or as I originally said, a bellend. [Post edited 9 Jun 2019 13:42]
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| Gove on 14:11 - Jun 9 with 1849 views | Lala |
| Gove on 13:41 - Jun 9 by Hannibal |
Exactly BBTRR. He was 32 going on 33 when he did it. Not exactly a youngster at or recently at university. I could get over that though. But it’s the hypocrisy about this that takes the piss.
I believe the phrase used these days in matters like this is, ‘trust issues’.
In other words he’s a liar and a hypocrite.
Or as I originally said, a bellend. [Post edited 9 Jun 2019 13:42]
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I was in my 30’s when I dabbled. Don’t think it makes much difference.
Experimenting with drugs in the past wouldn’t stop me from supporting any politician of any party if I thought that they were currently the best person for the job. [Post edited 9 Jun 2019 14:15]
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| Gove on 14:13 - Jun 9 with 1847 views | Hannibal |
| Gove on 14:11 - Jun 9 by Lala |
I was in my 30’s when I dabbled. Don’t think it makes much difference.
Experimenting with drugs in the past wouldn’t stop me from supporting any politician of any party if I thought that they were currently the best person for the job. [Post edited 9 Jun 2019 14:15]
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| Gove on 14:22 - Jun 9 with 1839 views | Lala |
| Gove on 14:13 - Jun 9 by Hannibal |
You’re missing the point. |
I’m not. He’s a hypocrite etc, but most of them are, so are most people on some level.
He’s not my favourite politician, and I wouldn’t back him in the leadership challenge, BUT, finding out he isn’t perfect wouldn’t be enough to put me off if I wanted to. Tis all I’m saying. [Post edited 9 Jun 2019 14:23]
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| Gove on 17:06 - Jun 9 with 1816 views | BringBackTheRedRoom |
| Gove on 14:22 - Jun 9 by Lala |
I’m not. He’s a hypocrite etc, but most of them are, so are most people on some level.
He’s not my favourite politician, and I wouldn’t back him in the leadership challenge, BUT, finding out he isn’t perfect wouldn’t be enough to put me off if I wanted to. Tis all I’m saying. [Post edited 9 Jun 2019 14:23]
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I wondered last week why Trump claimed not to know Gove, even though Murdoch set up an interview for Gove with Trump for the Times about 2 years ago. I wonder if Trump's team got advance warning about this.  | |
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| Gove on 17:11 - Jun 9 with 1810 views | Lala |
| Gove on 17:06 - Jun 9 by BringBackTheRedRoom |
I wondered last week why Trump claimed not to know Gove, even though Murdoch set up an interview for Gove with Trump for the Times about 2 years ago. I wonder if Trump's team got advance warning about this. |
Looking at it now half the Tory party has ‘come out ‘ drugs wise. I think the same would happen with any party now to be honest.
Historical drugs dabbling is absolutely rife. I’d find it hard to believe anyone 40+ years who said they hadn’t had as much as smoked a spliff. Maybe Mrs May , but fat lot of good that did anybody. | |
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| Gove on 18:47 - Jun 9 with 1801 views | spudgun |
| Gove on 17:11 - Jun 9 by Lala |
Looking at it now half the Tory party has ‘come out ‘ drugs wise. I think the same would happen with any party now to be honest.
Historical drugs dabbling is absolutely rife. I’d find it hard to believe anyone 40+ years who said they hadn’t had as much as smoked a spliff. Maybe Mrs May , but fat lot of good that did anybody. |
I think Gove could be in huge political trouble here.
I haven't read any of the Sunday papers and don`t know exactly how far they have gone on him, but he was well and truly skewered by Andrew Marr, and I suspect he may have big problems coming his way which may scupper his leadership bid.
He looked at best disingenuous and more an out and out liar fighting to stay afloat when questioned about the ESTA form (for entry into the USA), and to a lesser extent about regulations he brought in when Secretary of State for Education.
He claimed he had not lied when answering any questions regarding the ESTA form, but one question is:
Have you ever violated any law related to possession, using or distributing illegal drugs?
I presume he said `no` to that, which would have been a lie; had he put `yes` he would probably not have gained entry to the USA.
He is undoubtedly a hypocrite, but lying on the ESTA form could be his downfall.
I notice his `profound regrets` didn`t quite reach to being a liar, only to taking drugs, which to me is the least of his offences... | | | |
| Gove on 19:02 - Jun 9 with 1795 views | Lala |
| Gove on 18:47 - Jun 9 by spudgun |
I think Gove could be in huge political trouble here.
I haven't read any of the Sunday papers and don`t know exactly how far they have gone on him, but he was well and truly skewered by Andrew Marr, and I suspect he may have big problems coming his way which may scupper his leadership bid.
He looked at best disingenuous and more an out and out liar fighting to stay afloat when questioned about the ESTA form (for entry into the USA), and to a lesser extent about regulations he brought in when Secretary of State for Education.
He claimed he had not lied when answering any questions regarding the ESTA form, but one question is:
Have you ever violated any law related to possession, using or distributing illegal drugs?
I presume he said `no` to that, which would have been a lie; had he put `yes` he would probably not have gained entry to the USA.
He is undoubtedly a hypocrite, but lying on the ESTA form could be his downfall.
I notice his `profound regrets` didn`t quite reach to being a liar, only to taking drugs, which to me is the least of his offences... |
I don’t think he’s a hope in hell of winning the leadership contest anyway.
What happens with the lying is anyone’s guess.
Like you Spud the drug thing isn’t something that would overly concern me. None of it is really. People lie in my experience, unfortunately. | |
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| Gove on 19:36 - Jun 9 with 1789 views | BringBackTheRedRoom |
| Gove on 19:02 - Jun 9 by Lala |
I don’t think he’s a hope in hell of winning the leadership contest anyway.
What happens with the lying is anyone’s guess.
Like you Spud the drug thing isn’t something that would overly concern me. None of it is really. People lie in my experience, unfortunately. |
What are the potential consequences if I lie on the ESTA form?
Criminal prosecution
It is a criminal offence to provide false information for the purposes of obtaining a visa waiver or visa to the US. In the worst case scenario, you will be prosecuted. Prosecution under the Immigration and Nationality Act has a maximum sentence of two years in prison. Prosecution under US Code Title 18 carries a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison.
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| Gove on 19:39 - Jun 9 with 1786 views | Lala |
| Gove on 19:36 - Jun 9 by BringBackTheRedRoom |
What are the potential consequences if I lie on the ESTA form?
Criminal prosecution
It is a criminal offence to provide false information for the purposes of obtaining a visa waiver or visa to the US. In the worst case scenario, you will be prosecuted. Prosecution under the Immigration and Nationality Act has a maximum sentence of two years in prison. Prosecution under US Code Title 18 carries a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison.
Oops. |
In the worst case scenario you may be prosecuted.....
Can’t see it myself though . | |
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| Gove on 19:47 - Jun 9 with 1785 views | spudgun |
| Gove on 19:36 - Jun 9 by BringBackTheRedRoom |
What are the potential consequences if I lie on the ESTA form?
Criminal prosecution
It is a criminal offence to provide false information for the purposes of obtaining a visa waiver or visa to the US. In the worst case scenario, you will be prosecuted. Prosecution under the Immigration and Nationality Act has a maximum sentence of two years in prison. Prosecution under US Code Title 18 carries a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison.
Oops. |
I didn`t delve that far Red, but I suspected it would be serious for him and may end more than his PM bid.
He had the look of a man desperate man on Marr; if the media pursue him tomorrow he will have to issue further `profound` apologies for lying on the form to gain entry to the USA.
As is often the case in politics it is not the crime as much as the cover up that does for you.
Ask Fiona Onasanya... [Post edited 9 Jun 2019 19:48]
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| Gove on 19:51 - Jun 9 with 1779 views | BringBackTheRedRoom |
| Gove on 19:47 - Jun 9 by spudgun |
I didn`t delve that far Red, but I suspected it would be serious for him and may end more than his PM bid.
He had the look of a man desperate man on Marr; if the media pursue him tomorrow he will have to issue further `profound` apologies for lying on the form to gain entry to the USA.
As is often the case in politics it is not the crime as much as the cover up that does for you.
Ask Fiona Onasanya... [Post edited 9 Jun 2019 19:48]
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Could depend if the media in The USA pick this up & run with it. I'm sure they'll get copies of his application forms if they want to. | |
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| Gove on 20:18 - Jun 9 with 1773 views | spudgun |
| Gove on 19:51 - Jun 9 by BringBackTheRedRoom |
Could depend if the media in The USA pick this up & run with it. I'm sure they'll get copies of his application forms if they want to. |
Yep, that`s what I thought.
If it`s a `no` on it, it is game over for him.
I wonder what Rory Stewart put on his form... | | | |
| Gove on 20:23 - Jun 9 with 1772 views | BringBackTheRedRoom |
| Gove on 20:18 - Jun 9 by spudgun |
Yep, that`s what I thought.
If it`s a `no` on it, it is game over for him.
I wonder what Rory Stewart put on his form... |
Rory & Hunt were clever, both confessed to doing it in another country, as part of some custom. (A one off, if I've read their statements correctly). | |
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| Gove on 20:26 - Jun 9 with 1770 views | spudgun |
| Gove on 20:23 - Jun 9 by BringBackTheRedRoom |
Rory & Hunt were clever, both confessed to doing it in another country, as part of some custom. (A one off, if I've read their statements correctly). |
And of course Boris has both admitted it and denied it!!
Esther McVey was very firm with her denial on Andrew Marr, but may have forgotten that she had admitted smoking cannabis at uni in the past.
Can of worms, eh? [Post edited 9 Jun 2019 20:28]
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