| Ollie talks after game 16:22 - Dec 27 with 13833 views | bosh67 |
http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/brighton-and-hove-alb
Interesting that we have two players in that starting 11 who can't speak enough English. I am sure the club must be addressing this but with what the club has and what the players earn, surely intensive English lessons can't be beyond the realms of achievement?
Ollie is down in this, but not out. He's right, we do need a bit of luck, but overall the players need to be a bit tougher out there and help themselves through this as well. |  |
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| Ollie talks after game on 16:37 - Dec 27 with 6881 views | Northernr |
I'm not having this. Chelsea have won 12 straight matches with one English player in their team. English players are fewer and further between in most Premier League sides now. We're seeing teams doing just fine made up of a dozen internationals or more - look at bloody Watford for goodness sake. We shouldn't be struggling to integrate one Pole and one French bloke. |  | | |
| Ollie talks after game on 16:43 - Dec 27 with 6823 views | BillericayR |
I thought with these players we should have been challenging for a play off place ??
Ollie, plenty of passion, but has no plan - Bircham just does not inspire. |  | | |
| Ollie talks after game on 16:45 - Dec 27 with 6804 views | DejR_vu |
IH is looking a very poor manager. No decent manager loses six on the spin. Within those six we've now conceded 11 and scored 1, so he's managed -10 goal difference in that run. Even taking the Norwich game into account, he's managed four points from 21 with -8 goal difference. Appalling.
He came in saying that he had all the 'clubs', lovely footballers, wanted to develop what he's got etc. etc. Now talking about players not being able to communicate, getting some in in January.
He's taken a team heading to League 1 and accelerated the process.
TF is well-intentioned but clueless. But, in fairness, at least he recognises that. But the people he has appointed as 'football people' to overcome that naivety are even worse. They are well-intentioned as well, but just as clueless, but without the excuses. Blind leading the blind. | |
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| Ollie talks after game on 16:46 - Dec 27 with 6801 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Ollie talks after game on 16:37 - Dec 27 by Northernr |
I'm not having this. Chelsea have won 12 straight matches with one English player in their team. English players are fewer and further between in most Premier League sides now. We're seeing teams doing just fine made up of a dozen internationals or more - look at bloody Watford for goodness sake. We shouldn't be struggling to integrate one Pole and one French bloke. |
To be fair Chelsea are playing other side full of foreigners too. That Brighton side didn't have many newcomers to Britain in it.
However I agree it isn't the reason we self destructed at a throw in. |  | | |
| Ollie talks after game on 16:47 - Dec 27 with 6785 views | kensalriser |
I know I keep banging this drum but Bircham has zero experience as a first team coach at any serious level. What are we doing? |  |
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| Ollie talks after game on 16:48 - Dec 27 with 6774 views | DejR_vu |
| Ollie talks after game on 16:47 - Dec 27 by kensalriser |
I know I keep banging this drum but Bircham has zero experience as a first team coach at any serious level. What are we doing? |
Indeed, but he loves the club............ | |
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| Ollie talks after game on 16:51 - Dec 27 with 6749 views | Jigsore |
| Ollie talks after game on 16:37 - Dec 27 by Northernr |
I'm not having this. Chelsea have won 12 straight matches with one English player in their team. English players are fewer and further between in most Premier League sides now. We're seeing teams doing just fine made up of a dozen internationals or more - look at bloody Watford for goodness sake. We shouldn't be struggling to integrate one Pole and one French bloke. |
and won 3-2 |  |
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| Ollie talks after game on 16:55 - Dec 27 with 6718 views | BillericayR |
Perhaps it is Ollies accent that is the problem as in that bloody advert when the players were staring at him as though he was mad.
Every other word being a "F" is also not too clever. | | | |
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| Ollie talks after game on 16:56 - Dec 27 with 6706 views | DejR_vu |
| Ollie talks after game on 16:51 - Dec 27 by Jigsore |
and won 3-2 |
They also have a high turnover of managers which we're lead to believe never works. Or perhaps they have someone in charge who knows what they are doing, making good appointments each time, rather than getting it wrong time and time again. If we carry on like this we won't be stopping in League 1. | |
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| Ollie talks after game on 16:56 - Dec 27 with 6706 views | R_from_afar |
The sort of things that need to be communicated are very simple things and also the sort of things that experienced footballers should be expecting to hear.
It's not as if they are listening out for detailed instructions on how to safely decommission a nuclear reactor. It's stuff like "mark the runner".
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| Ollie talks after game on 16:57 - Dec 27 with 6695 views | HollowayRanger |
get on with BREXIT and KICK the lot of them out ,lets see who has the best team then |  |
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| Ollie talks after game on 17:00 - Dec 27 with 6673 views | Jigsore |
| Ollie talks after game on 16:56 - Dec 27 by DejR_vu |
They also have a high turnover of managers which we're lead to believe never works. Or perhaps they have someone in charge who knows what they are doing, making good appointments each time, rather than getting it wrong time and time again. If we carry on like this we won't be stopping in League 1. |
i'm just saying I don't really buy into the fact we look disjointed because we have foreign players. Most of them will speak perfectly adequate English and even Sylla, who i'm led to believe knows only alittle, is going to learn some simple football speak inside the first week. Most of it's pretty universal.
I mean the England team are English and it's not like it does them any good | |
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| Ollie talks after game on 17:06 - Dec 27 with 6625 views | DejR_vu |
| Ollie talks after game on 17:00 - Dec 27 by Jigsore |
i'm just saying I don't really buy into the fact we look disjointed because we have foreign players. Most of them will speak perfectly adequate English and even Sylla, who i'm led to believe knows only alittle, is going to learn some simple football speak inside the first week. Most of it's pretty universal.
I mean the England team are English and it's not like it does them any good |
I'm agreeing with you | |
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| Ollie talks after game on 17:09 - Dec 27 with 6603 views | Northernr |
I'm not saying it's not difficult to integrate European players into a Championship side. They're cheap for a reason, the Championship is tough, it takes even the best foreigners a long time to settle into the English game etc. Agree with all of that. But this idea that because Sylla and Wzsolek don't speak English (Yeni, Borys and the others do) and that's a big problem I'm not buying. | | | |
| Ollie talks after game on 17:09 - Dec 27 with 6599 views | MelakaRanger |
| Ollie talks after game on 16:37 - Dec 27 by Northernr |
I'm not having this. Chelsea have won 12 straight matches with one English player in their team. English players are fewer and further between in most Premier League sides now. We're seeing teams doing just fine made up of a dozen internationals or more - look at bloody Watford for goodness sake. We shouldn't be struggling to integrate one Pole and one French bloke. |
It's not the nationality of the players that's the issue. It matters not if they are all French, English or Chinese. The issue is communications. If QPRcomprised a full team & management of French speakers there would be no issue.
It also matters not if it's a football squad or an office or a restaurant or whatever.
If a portion of your "workers" cannot speak the same language and therefore cannot understand their instructions, how can they comply, how can they listen for updated instructions from the bench or their captain/manager. How can the 'leaders' lead/coach/motivate/reprimand?
It's not just football that this would apply. Just imagine your own working environment and that 20% just could not communicate with the others and vice versa. |  | | |
| Ollie talks after game on 17:11 - Dec 27 with 6566 views | Jigsore |
| Ollie talks after game on 17:06 - Dec 27 by DejR_vu |
I'm agreeing with you |
oh sorry, i've been doing a lot of tedious reading recently and i've become accustomed to only actually digesting about half the words in a sentence... | |
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| Ollie talks after game on 17:12 - Dec 27 with 6564 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Ollie talks after game on 17:09 - Dec 27 by Northernr |
I'm not saying it's not difficult to integrate European players into a Championship side. They're cheap for a reason, the Championship is tough, it takes even the best foreigners a long time to settle into the English game etc. Agree with all of that. But this idea that because Sylla and Wzsolek don't speak English (Yeni, Borys and the others do) and that's a big problem I'm not buying. |
Maybe it's not their nationality but rather the fact they've never played in the FL, because in that case 4 out of that starting 11 are under that category. | | | |
| Ollie talks after game on 17:12 - Dec 27 with 6561 views | Northernr |
| Ollie talks after game on 17:09 - Dec 27 by MelakaRanger |
It's not the nationality of the players that's the issue. It matters not if they are all French, English or Chinese. The issue is communications. If QPRcomprised a full team & management of French speakers there would be no issue.
It also matters not if it's a football squad or an office or a restaurant or whatever.
If a portion of your "workers" cannot speak the same language and therefore cannot understand their instructions, how can they comply, how can they listen for updated instructions from the bench or their captain/manager. How can the 'leaders' lead/coach/motivate/reprimand?
It's not just football that this would apply. Just imagine your own working environment and that 20% just could not communicate with the others and vice versa. |
Do me a favour, we've got two non-English speakers. | | | |
| Ollie talks after game on 17:14 - Dec 27 with 6542 views | DejR_vu |
| Ollie talks after game on 17:09 - Dec 27 by MelakaRanger |
It's not the nationality of the players that's the issue. It matters not if they are all French, English or Chinese. The issue is communications. If QPRcomprised a full team & management of French speakers there would be no issue.
It also matters not if it's a football squad or an office or a restaurant or whatever.
If a portion of your "workers" cannot speak the same language and therefore cannot understand their instructions, how can they comply, how can they listen for updated instructions from the bench or their captain/manager. How can the 'leaders' lead/coach/motivate/reprimand?
It's not just football that this would apply. Just imagine your own working environment and that 20% just could not communicate with the others and vice versa. |
If you could lay the blame for the last six results squarely at the feet of the couple of players that don't speak English it might have a little credibility. But you clearly can't. And what's the excuse for the other nine that can speak English? | |
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| Ollie talks after game on 17:14 - Dec 27 with 6537 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
I thought what he said was a honest appraisal, cherry picking about language to me is just wanting to knock him.
As for bringing chelscum in to it as a comparison with our 3rd rate lot is laughable. [Post edited 27 Dec 2016 17:16]
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| Ollie talks after game on 17:22 - Dec 27 with 6487 views | stowmarketrange |
| Ollie talks after game on 17:09 - Dec 27 by MelakaRanger |
It's not the nationality of the players that's the issue. It matters not if they are all French, English or Chinese. The issue is communications. If QPRcomprised a full team & management of French speakers there would be no issue.
It also matters not if it's a football squad or an office or a restaurant or whatever.
If a portion of your "workers" cannot speak the same language and therefore cannot understand their instructions, how can they comply, how can they listen for updated instructions from the bench or their captain/manager. How can the 'leaders' lead/coach/motivate/reprimand?
It's not just football that this would apply. Just imagine your own working environment and that 20% just could not communicate with the others and vice versa. |
I do work with 10-15 people who don't speak English.They have one of their countrymen working in the transport office to translate the instructions to them.
We all work together but we aren't really a team. |  | | |
| Ollie talks after game on 17:26 - Dec 27 with 6463 views | dolcelatte |
Can anyone name 1 player who has actually showed some sign of improvement under IH? |  |
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| Ollie talks after game on 17:28 - Dec 27 with 6435 views | stowmarketrange |
| Ollie talks after game on 17:26 - Dec 27 by dolcelatte |
Can anyone name 1 player who has actually showed some sign of improvement under IH? |
Can anyone name somebody who has improved since they came to our club at any time in the last 5-10 years,apart from Austin? | | | |
| Ollie talks after game on 17:34 - Dec 27 with 6390 views | FloridaR |
Jan transfer window, I can't see anyone of ability wanting to play for us right now & most likely be lesser players from League 1 or couple expensive end of career journeymen. |  |
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| Ollie talks after game on 17:36 - Dec 27 with 6371 views | DejR_vu |
| Ollie talks after game on 17:34 - Dec 27 by FloridaR |
Jan transfer window, I can't see anyone of ability wanting to play for us right now & most likely be lesser players from League 1 or couple expensive end of career journeymen. |
Best we can hope for is a couple of decent loans who know they can walk away after six months | |
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