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Reply | Solar Panel Funding
at 14:31 7 Jul 2024
That would be he Woodland Creation grant then, nothing to do with the SFS, that brought the farmers out to protest.
On this scheme there is very little 'profit' to be made. The areas of woodland would probably of been the lower producing areas, and in most cases, the farmer would be looking to semi retire as well.
Farmers do not get rich from government payouts. They are there as an 'Income forgone' model, so at best they will be similar to farming conventional, but with the asset price of the land being drastically reduced. |
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Reply | Solar Panel Funding
at 14:20 7 Jul 2024
That would be he Woodland Creation grant then, nothing to do with the SFS, that brought the farmers out to protest.
On this scheme there is very little 'profit' to be made. The areas of woodland would probably of been the lower producing areas, and in most cases, the farmer would be looking to semi retire as well.
Farmers do not get rich from government payouts. They are there as an 'Income forgone' model, so at best they will be similar to farming conventional, but with the asset price of the land being drastically reduced. |
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Reply | Solar Panel Funding
at 06:47 7 Jul 2024
What scheme?
If your talking about the environmental scheme that the protests were about, that wasnt meant to start until Jan 2025 and now that scheme has been delayed until 2026 .
Nobody is in it. It hasn't started yet. !!!
It is also optional, so if the land owners aren't happy with it when the details of it are finally released they don't have to sign up to it and can carry on as thay are.
I'm also interested to know where the £30000 that you claimed all farmers get, comes from.
I'm sure your just making up stuff now. |
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Reply | Solar Panel Funding
at 17:34 6 Jul 2024
I am a member of the FUW.
As they are a union they only pass on what information Welsh Government release.
As with the protests, WG have never released any monetary figures about what land owners will potentially be paid if they agree to sign up to the environmental scheme. That was one of the main points of protest.
Your £13,000 for 13 years in complete rubbish.
Any payments from WG are done on a per acre basis. So it doesn't make any sense to say " All farmers receive X amount" |
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Reply | Solar Panel Funding
at 08:14 6 Jul 2024
Don't you think it's a bit strange how Welsh Government have leaflets in markets showing the details of these payments but nothing online that matches your figures?
In the modern world, everything is online!!
I think you've been found out on his subject. |
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Reply | Solar Panel Funding
at 23:27 5 Jul 2024
Normally Llandeilo, Carmarthen, Whitland, Brecon, Llandovery Rhaglan and sometimes Sedgemoor.
It all depends on what day of the week suits me to go and what type of stock I want to sell or buy.
And I havnt seen any of these leaflets your talking about in any of them. |
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Reply | Solar Panel Funding
at 23:12 5 Jul 2024
Looking at an leaflet in a livestock mart is completely different from what Welsh Goverment are actually offering for woodland creation.
It's similar to the leaflets that get posted through your letter box offering a free window when you buy a conservatory. Pointless.
What market did you see these leaflets in? |
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Reply | Solar Panel Funding
at 21:44 5 Jul 2024
Where would I find this brochure?
I've been checking the Welsh Government Rural Payments website but it's nothing like you have found.
I could do with cashing in a few acres for retirement and that money that you've seen looks great.
Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks. |
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Reply | Solar Panel Funding
at 18:31 5 Jul 2024
Where abouts are you getting these imaginary figures from?
Welsh governemt pay about £1000 per acre to set up a woodland.
Then the land over has to buy roughly 500 trees at about £4 each, then plant them themselves. If any die they have to replace them.
The land owner then gets on average £150 per year for 12 years. Whilst the acre of land devalues from probably £10,000 to £2000.
It's a terrible business idea for land owners to plant trees on productive land. |
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Reply | Swans U21 news
at 20:33 23 Apr 2024
What has happened to Liam Smith and Josh Thomas? |
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Reply | Is this the start of a kick back
at 23:02 20 Feb 2024
We don't get £3000, we get a service that the consultants can charge WG up to that amount. No money is given to the farmers. |
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Reply | Is this the start of a kick back
at 22:40 20 Feb 2024
Farming Connect are an advisory service, they do not give out money.
If he's not paying any tax, then that means he is not making any profit, sadly like the vast majority of Welsh farmers....there is no way he is able to hide £120,000 from the tax man.
He is bending the truth about something in that story. |
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Reply | Welsh Farmers revolt
at 12:36 10 Feb 2024
Have you ever met a poor sparky, builder or plumber?
Majority of farmers these days have either got a job outside of farming or have diversified in some way (which costs a lot of money and is a big risk)
The main problem with the Welsh SFI is that the government havnt published any sort of financial figures that will be paid out for the environmental scheme.
This is meant to be in place to start on Jan 1st, business decisions (especially in agriculture) take years to implement , how can the governement expact farmers to join in the SFI at such short notice.
As with the 10% trees, this will devalue a land owners assets by an estimated 50% on those areas. How would anyone else react if the government told them that had to do something to their house which would take £20,000 of their house price?? |
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Reply | Clarkson's Farm
at 19:08 16 Feb 2023
Most younger/ newer farmers were against Brexit...its just the older ones who didn't know what they were voting for, that push up the numbers |
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Reply | Veganism and Zouma ethical issue
at 07:47 14 Feb 2022
Ploughing or cultivation isn't an accident either, farms know the deaths that it will cause.
I don't think you understand the farming system in the UK, where the vast majority of beef or lamb is grass fed only. This is because there are huge parts of the country that can only grow grass. Crops and veg would fail.
The animals are eating grains or roots in some farming systems but these are generally business that have specific contracts to take by products or waste from supermarkets.
You need a mixed farm with diverse crop rotation to survive, having grains or veg for many years in the same fields , leads to massive problems such as insecticides, herbicides and fungicides being over used, and becoming resistant.
Just look into the dust bowel in the USA during the 30's , growing grans for years on years and the soil gets so bad it literally blows away.
You need agricultural systems that involves animals and crops. |
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Reply | Veganism and Zouma ethical issue
at 10:35 13 Feb 2022
But it's not by accident.
I spray my fields to kill all the insects, then I leave it about 3 weeks for the numbers to grow back up to unacceptable levers, then I spray insecticides again, and so on and so on. This is a cycle that happens every spring and summer everywhere over the world. It's not an accident. It's part of the production process.
Same as rodent control in grain stores, same as shooting birds that eat on the crop.
More animals die to produce grains, roots or vegetables then to produce meat in the UK.
It definitely isn't an accident either.
It's a similar argument with soya and rainforest destruction, whilst the majority of the actual soya plant goes into animal feed. The main income is gained from the production of soya oils, the actual soya meal that goes into animal feed is the byproduct. If human stopped using soya oil, the soya meal would stop instantly as the cost of it would be way to high to give it to animals. Yet the animals get blamed for soya production. 🤔 |
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Reply | Veganism and Zouma ethical issue
at 08:57 13 Feb 2022
The reason it goes for animal feed is because its deemed not good enough for human consumption.
In an ideal situation every farm would be mixed and grow everything from veg to meat, but due to the tiny margins that are achieved from producing foods, that the majority of farmers have to specialise into specific systems that suit their farms, in Wales this is normally to grow grass and produce meat.
If I were to produce meat on my farm, I would produce about 300 lambs annually, that's 300 deaths per year. As its an arable farm my guess would be that MILLIONS of animals die every year. And I KNOW this happens, and I accept it will always happen for me to produce food. |
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Reply | Veganism and Zouma ethical issue
at 08:10 13 Feb 2022
When I spray my crops, the whole intention of this is to kill all the insects that are eating my crops.
You mentioned a dog crossing the road and being hit by a car, but what of there was hundreds of dogs just sat in the road and you drove straight through them all.
The main reason farmers in Wales, and the UK produce lamb / beef /pork and chichen is because that's what their farm is best suited for.
Financially the best returns are made from vegetables then grains then milk then meat.
The reason most farmers produce meat is that the soils aren't good enough and the weather isn't consistent enough to produce vegetables on a large sustainable scale. What Wales is perfect at growing is Grass!!
Quick question for you....what your opinion on rodent eradication? So in my grain store, where i hold my grains for months at a time until the processors are ready to take it, should I stop using all the rat poisons that I need to keep numbers under control.? |
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Reply | Veganism and Zouma ethical issue (n/t)
at 20:27 12 Feb 2022
When I'm ploughing my fields I KNOW that millions of animals are being destroyed every time my tractor goes up and down the field.
I KNOW that when I use my sprayer to spray a field with insecticides that billions are dieing, that's the whole point of spraying.
I KNOW that when I harvest my grain that loads of rodents and larger animals like foxes get caught in the thrasher and go through the machine, coming out in millions of pieces.
But I still do this every harvest.
You cannot have food that doesn't destroy animal lives, but if you choose lamb or beef etc, then one animals dies to produce food for one person, when it's grains, vegetables or fruits it's millions that die for one person.
On the question of my grain being fed to animals, in a perfect world my grain would be of a standard that its fit for human consumption, because I get paid a premium to do this. However in Wales, with the climate we have only a very small percentage makes the grade and the next best option for me financially is to sell for animal feed. [Post edited 12 Feb 2022 20:50]
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