| Peterborough bid for Hogan 20:10 - Jan 7 with 54675 views | oddjob007 |
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| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 21:19 - Jan 8 with 3144 views | sandylaner1 |
| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 21:07 - Jan 8 by 442Dale |
And this is why, if the deal happens, the club have to be very good in their communication. Not only to fans but to the footballing world and those fans who turned up on Saturday but rarely do at any other time
It makes perfect sense when you read the interview with Dunphy in the Telegraph. It fits the business model. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/fa-cup/10547736/FA-Cup-Ro
“It is part of the process, but it is the module that myself and Keith are working to, in terms of being a development club, which we have to be to make ends meet.
If we were only as effective with such business off the pitch. However, it really is wait and see on a few issues, for now we have to accept that. |
yes that's all well and good....
but we are in the promotion mix up and still in the FA cup
if we go a round or two more in the cup and hogan scores against a prem side plus the exposure of being top goal scorer and maybe promotion in league he could be worth more at the end of this season instead of selling 6 months into a 2 year deal...
to the first club that comes calling |  | | |
| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 21:22 - Jan 8 with 3075 views | dalefan |
| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 21:19 - Jan 8 by sandylaner1 |
yes that's all well and good....
but we are in the promotion mix up and still in the FA cup
if we go a round or two more in the cup and hogan scores against a prem side plus the exposure of being top goal scorer and maybe promotion in league he could be worth more at the end of this season instead of selling 6 months into a 2 year deal...
to the first club that comes calling |
What price would you think we should sell for? Or do you think we should turn every offer down regardless of how much | | | |
| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 21:22 - Jan 8 with 3072 views | fitzochris |
A lot of people are saying "if Hilly is happy with the deal then it's fine".
How could Hilly be happy with it, in all honesty? If he was asked, finances of the club aside, whether he wanted to lose Hogan, his answer would be no. The alternative is that he has to find a replacement (instead of a foil for Hogan), bed them into the club and hope they carry on where Hogan left off.
Hilly might make the right noises if this deal goes through, but I don't think he would be happy about it. |  |
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| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 21:26 - Jan 8 with 3007 views | D_Alien |
I'm not sure why this seems to come as a surprise to some people. I was posting in August that I expected Hogan to be snapped up in the January window, the way he was playing.
His goal against Leeds will have sealed the deal, as far as interested clubs are concerned.
Snag? Could be there's other clubs registering an interest, in which case we're in a bidding war! |  |
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| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 21:27 - Jan 8 with 2977 views | dalefan |
| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 21:26 - Jan 8 by D_Alien |
I'm not sure why this seems to come as a surprise to some people. I was posting in August that I expected Hogan to be snapped up in the January window, the way he was playing.
His goal against Leeds will have sealed the deal, as far as interested clubs are concerned.
Snag? Could be there's other clubs registering an interest, in which case we're in a bidding war! |
Lets hope so | | | |
| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 21:28 - Jan 8 with 2959 views | fitzochris |
| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 21:26 - Jan 8 by D_Alien |
I'm not sure why this seems to come as a surprise to some people. I was posting in August that I expected Hogan to be snapped up in the January window, the way he was playing.
His goal against Leeds will have sealed the deal, as far as interested clubs are concerned.
Snag? Could be there's other clubs registering an interest, in which case we're in a bidding war! |
Better. | |
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| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 21:28 - Jan 8 with 2944 views | TTNYear |
| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 21:22 - Jan 8 by fitzochris |
A lot of people are saying "if Hilly is happy with the deal then it's fine".
How could Hilly be happy with it, in all honesty? If he was asked, finances of the club aside, whether he wanted to lose Hogan, his answer would be no. The alternative is that he has to find a replacement (instead of a foil for Hogan), bed them into the club and hope they carry on where Hogan left off.
Hilly might make the right noises if this deal goes through, but I don't think he would be happy about it. |
No but he knew the deal when he came back. Unlike when he was first here. |  |
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| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 21:29 - Jan 8 with 2917 views | DorsetDale |
| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 21:18 - Jan 8 by KenBoon |
The improvements are a huge success. But I don't believe that merely existing is being successful. I'd hate to see us slip back into our old ways. Is it coincidence that when we've been ambitious we've also kept the wolf from the door? |
But what do you mean by "old ways"? Pre-Kilpatrick and desperation or more recently the "between Hill spells". One was bad management by the board and one - primarily - by football/player management.
I feel we have to trust Dunphy and Hill on this, it will come good. | |
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| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 21:31 - Jan 8 with 2857 views | fitzochris |
| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 21:28 - Jan 8 by TTNYear |
No but he knew the deal when he came back. Unlike when he was first here. |
True. And, as I say, I'm sure he'll make all the right noises if this thing happens. I still don't expect him to be okay with it though.
My point, I guess, is that Hilly's thoughts or opinion probably don't matter one jot as to whether Hogan stays or goes. If Dunphy likes the price, he goes.
As you say, Hilly knew the deal when he came back. | |
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| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 21:32 - Jan 8 with 2828 views | sandylaner1 |
| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 21:22 - Jan 8 by dalefan |
What price would you think we should sell for? Or do you think we should turn every offer down regardless of how much |
if the deal was £700,000 + add ons to potentially take the deal up to over a mill with a hefty sell on clause, i'd understand
but that took some steve eyre levels of delusion to even suggest them figures
my dad was there on saturday, absolutely loved the whole experience and enjoyed paying £20 to watch some of our players in particular our number 11
upon hearing this news .... 'TYPICAL ROCHDALE'
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| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 21:33 - Jan 8 with 2794 views | D_Alien |
We're simply "victims" of our own relative success - or Hilly Is - but as Hilly said just recently, he doesn't believe in being a victim under any circumstances.
He brings on young players, they start to achieve their potential, clubs with bigger budgets want them. It's a fallacy that any footballer will stay with one club out of loyalty. That's no denigration on Scott Hogan - he's simply acting like a professional.
I happen to believe he can do better than Peterborough, but then we all believed Hilly could do better than Barnsley! | |
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| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 21:36 - Jan 8 with 2740 views | dalefan |
| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 21:32 - Jan 8 by sandylaner1 |
if the deal was £700,000 + add ons to potentially take the deal up to over a mill with a hefty sell on clause, i'd understand
but that took some steve eyre levels of delusion to even suggest them figures
my dad was there on saturday, absolutely loved the whole experience and enjoyed paying £20 to watch some of our players in particular our number 11
upon hearing this news .... 'TYPICAL ROCHDALE'
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I agree that would be excellent business. Lets see what comes out and hope we are pleasantly surprised and everyone, including hilly, happy | | | |
| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 21:37 - Jan 8 with 2697 views | ONTHEUP |
Yes let's hope it a big snag and we can put this thread behind us. Up the dale | | | |
| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 21:46 - Jan 8 with 2568 views | D_Dale |
Don't underestimate KH and the squad. Scott Hogan missed 4 games through injury: Newport (W 3-0), Cheltenham (W 1-2), Northampton (W 3-2) and D&R (L 3-1). Of course, I'd rather he stay, scores the 20+ goals we are hoping for, and then, perhaps, chooses which - bigger than Posh - club to move to. Presumably, if he's played for NW clubs, he's from within 25 miles of Dale, and would he - would anyone - want to relocate to Peterborough? | | | |
| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 21:47 - Jan 8 with 2559 views | Shun |
| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 20:54 - Jan 8 by KenBoon |
I've spoken to two people about this. Their response "typical".
There's being a selling club and there's being an open shop. Far too often we're an open shop. It doesn't really attract new fans.
I'm a Football Fan. When you tell me the finances are good I don't expect our players to be sold easily. I don't take any pride on not being in debt. If I cared about supporting finances i'd buy shares. I don't. I am a Football Fan. You can achieve success without going bankrupt, although reading some peoples opinions apparently this is impossible. |
Spot on. Best post I've read on the topic so far. |  | | |
| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 21:52 - Jan 8 with 2482 views | D_Alien |
| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 21:47 - Jan 8 by Shun |
Spot on. Best post I've read on the topic so far. |
I'm surprised at that tbh Shun.
I'm sick to death of people who've "spoken to their mates/relatives/cat" whose opinion is "typical Rochdale"
All I can say is there are a lot of people out there with massive illusions about what being a lower league football team is about. D_Dale got it bang on when he pointed out that some of our best results were achieved when Hogan was injured.
He's not irreplaceable. | |
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| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 21:59 - Jan 8 with 2377 views | SuddenLad |
Apart from other possible 'snags' (mentioned elsewhere) it might just be that Dale have agreed the transfer fee, but Barry Fry doesn't like the idea of a 30% sell-on clause.
Having sold a player for £8 million he will be frightened of getting his fingers burnt and having to fork out a further massive sum in the future. |  |
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| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 22:04 - Jan 8 with 2316 views | Shun |
| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 21:52 - Jan 8 by D_Alien |
I'm surprised at that tbh Shun.
I'm sick to death of people who've "spoken to their mates/relatives/cat" whose opinion is "typical Rochdale"
All I can say is there are a lot of people out there with massive illusions about what being a lower league football team is about. D_Dale got it bang on when he pointed out that some of our best results were achieved when Hogan was injured.
He's not irreplaceable. |
To be fair, I wrote that prior to reading this last page. 
I fully agree that those who have the "huff, typical Rochdale" reaction aren't those who we regard as 'true' Daleys, but nevertheless there are countless people like this who don't attend Spotland that regularly, exactly the type of people we're trying to attract, who really will think this is just typical Rochdale and be put off coming once again. | | | |
| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 22:08 - Jan 8 with 2268 views | TVOS1907 |
| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 21:32 - Jan 8 by sandylaner1 |
if the deal was £700,000 + add ons to potentially take the deal up to over a mill with a hefty sell on clause, i'd understand
but that took some steve eyre levels of delusion to even suggest them figures
my dad was there on saturday, absolutely loved the whole experience and enjoyed paying £20 to watch some of our players in particular our number 11
upon hearing this news .... 'TYPICAL ROCHDALE'
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Not a slight on your old man, but the likes of him and the other 2,000 newbies who were there v Leeds need to come more often if we are to be able to turn down offers for our players. |  |
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| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 22:09 - Jan 8 with 2257 views | sandylaner1 |
| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 21:36 - Jan 8 by D_Alien |
Then he needs challenging on this point.
What does he expect? All our best players to stay put on wages generated by "supporters" who only turn up once in a blue moon, until we eventually reach the premiership? It's those with the "Typical Rochdale" mentality who're part of the problem! [Post edited 8 Jan 2014 21:36]
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no, he is not diluted
i think it will be a common response from those extra few thousand who turned against leeds to think it 'typical' we appear to be selling our best player.
gr8 way to build on the FA cup feel good factor !!111
but of course the only people who have to be happy with this deal is the chairman, hill and hogan.
*waits for bidding war* | | | |
| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 22:14 - Jan 8 with 2196 views | sandylaner1 |
| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 22:08 - Jan 8 by TVOS1907 |
Not a slight on your old man, but the likes of him and the other 2,000 newbies who were there v Leeds need to come more often if we are to be able to turn down offers for our players. |
it wasn't a derogatory slight against the dale just expressing disappointment | | | |
| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 22:15 - Jan 8 with 2186 views | R17ALE |
| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 22:09 - Jan 8 by sandylaner1 |
no, he is not diluted
i think it will be a common response from those extra few thousand who turned against leeds to think it 'typical' we appear to be selling our best player.
gr8 way to build on the FA cup feel good factor !!111
but of course the only people who have to be happy with this deal is the chairman, hill and hogan.
*waits for bidding war* |
To be fair, "those extra few thousand who turned against leeds" were sitting in Willbutts and are very unlikely to ever return to Spotland. |  |
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| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 22:17 - Jan 8 with 2162 views | RotherhamDale |
I want to see my football team win matches and get as high up the footballing ladder as possible.
'Surviving' isn't success, promotion is success.
We don't need to sell, so unless the bid is ridiculous, then don't bother.
(we will of course, and the fans will lap it up saying 'it had to be done.' No wonder the team has been shit for 100 odd years) |  |
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| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 22:20 - Jan 8 with 2120 views | SaxonDale |
| Peterborough bid for Hogan on 22:17 - Jan 8 by RotherhamDale |
I want to see my football team win matches and get as high up the footballing ladder as possible.
'Surviving' isn't success, promotion is success.
We don't need to sell, so unless the bid is ridiculous, then don't bother.
(we will of course, and the fans will lap it up saying 'it had to be done.' No wonder the team has been shit for 100 odd years) |
What if selling Hogan meant we could get a decent target man and a good replacement for Hogan? IMO that would make us a stronger outfit than we currently are. |  | | |
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