| Potential update on Illias Chair... 20:57 - Jun 19 with 14947 views | davman |
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| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 11:07 - Jun 20 with 3450 views | TheChef |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 10:51 - Jun 20 by robith |
I have to say, if he actually did it, which seems to be the case, that's pretty grim and makes us look pretty terrible imo |
Wednesday fans in particular weren't impressed that Chair kept playing... |  |
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| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 11:21 - Jun 20 with 3344 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 11:02 - Jun 20 by BazzaInTheLoft |
You aren’t wrong.
I’m guilty of applying double standards here when it is in my (football club’s) interest. |
But we still don't know context.
What if the guy had his hand raised about to hit Ilias's girlfriend? Or had hit her already? What if the other guy had a rock or a weapon?
I'm not excusing it, but as I've said on this subject a number of times, none of us were there. Equally, the fact he's been given community service for what seems like a pretty bad assault strongly suggests there is more to the story. |  |
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| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 11:32 - Jun 20 with 3279 views | Stainrod |
Great news and a big relief.
Big outstanding question is when the community service will be?
If it could be over the summer, intensively, to get it out of the way, great.
If its 3pm every Sat then we are a bit screwed. |  | | |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 11:49 - Jun 20 with 3188 views | Loyalitat |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 10:51 - Jun 20 by robith |
I have to say, if he actually did it, which seems to be the case, that's pretty grim and makes us look pretty terrible imo |
Totally agree.
To think that there was a post a while back on Ivan Toney's gambling addiction! and how oblivious Brentford as a club and its supporters appeared to be of his transgressions by still hero-worshipping him after he had served his suspension. | | | |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 11:49 - Jun 20 with 3200 views | QPR_Hibs |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 11:32 - Jun 20 by Stainrod |
Great news and a big relief.
Big outstanding question is when the community service will be?
If it could be over the summer, intensively, to get it out of the way, great.
If its 3pm every Sat then we are a bit screwed. |
Lawyer seems to suggest Chair is offering to do the Community Service in Antwerp when he visits his family - so doubt that would be during a match! |  |
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| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 12:07 - Jun 20 with 3121 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 11:21 - Jun 20 by Antti_Heinola |
But we still don't know context.
What if the guy had his hand raised about to hit Ilias's girlfriend? Or had hit her already? What if the other guy had a rock or a weapon?
I'm not excusing it, but as I've said on this subject a number of times, none of us were there. Equally, the fact he's been given community service for what seems like a pretty bad assault strongly suggests there is more to the story. |
I know, I was talking in general. |  | | |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 12:13 - Jun 20 with 3066 views | joe90 |
Do we know anything more about the lady in the green bikini? |  | | |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 12:18 - Jun 20 with 3031 views | Hoopsie |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 12:13 - Jun 20 by joe90 |
Do we know anything more about the lady in the green bikini? |
Sister in law. Worth 50 hours of community work |  |
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| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 12:20 - Jun 20 with 3012 views | E15Hoop |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 11:49 - Jun 20 by QPR_Hibs |
Lawyer seems to suggest Chair is offering to do the Community Service in Antwerp when he visits his family - so doubt that would be during a match! |
Maybe we can conveniently organise a series of friendlies to be played against Royal Antwerp during the international breaks this coming season...?  | | | |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 12:34 - Jun 20 with 2921 views | Stainrod |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 11:49 - Jun 20 by QPR_Hibs |
Lawyer seems to suggest Chair is offering to do the Community Service in Antwerp when he visits his family - so doubt that would be during a match! |
That might be what Chair is "offering" but (and appreciate I am at risk of becoming about the 99th poster on here to speak confidently yet with complete ignorance about Belgium law) I suspect that is a decision for the judge rather than Chair. | | | |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 12:50 - Jun 20 with 2815 views | Gloucs_R |
Makes you wonder if he will be flying down the wing come September...
Hopefully not the West wing!! |  |
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| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 13:09 - Jun 20 with 2719 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 11:49 - Jun 20 by Loyalitat |
Totally agree.
To think that there was a post a while back on Ivan Toney's gambling addiction! and how oblivious Brentford as a club and its supporters appeared to be of his transgressions by still hero-worshipping him after he had served his suspension. |
Isn't that more to do with Toney the sellable asset?
If I've got a car that I'd like to sell in a year for more than I paid for it, I'm not going to use social media to tell everyone my car is a bit of an arsehole am I?
I'll probably do the opposite, say how good the car is, then flog it and maybe later let on that my car didn't like me and I didn't like it.
Then to really show it, I'd use that money to buy a better car, and drive it all round town.
Remember when one of QPR's more expensive cars had a breakdown at a really important car show? We ended up paying a French bloke to drive it around for a year hoping that everyone would forget what a cünt of a car that one was. |  | | |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 13:59 - Jun 20 with 2527 views | terryb |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 12:34 - Jun 20 by Stainrod |
That might be what Chair is "offering" but (and appreciate I am at risk of becoming about the 99th poster on here to speak confidently yet with complete ignorance about Belgium law) I suspect that is a decision for the judge rather than Chair. |
This is my understanding of the translation as well.
The appeal was against the sentence rather than the conviction & that Chair (and his lawyer) were arguing for community service rather than imprisonment. It won't be known until the decision of the appeal is released on the 17th July, whether he has to spend time in prison. | | | |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 14:06 - Jun 20 with 2489 views | terryb |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 10:51 - Jun 20 by robith |
I have to say, if he actually did it, which seems to be the case, that's pretty grim and makes us look pretty terrible imo |
This is the moral dilemma that Clive has often referred to since February & when he was sentenced. The translation is very similar to what the Antwerp press reported at the time of sentence.
What appears different to other players in the past, is that Chair has now taken full responsibility for his actions & is showing remorse. | | | |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 14:50 - Jun 20 with 2364 views | robith |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 11:21 - Jun 20 by Antti_Heinola |
But we still don't know context.
What if the guy had his hand raised about to hit Ilias's girlfriend? Or had hit her already? What if the other guy had a rock or a weapon?
I'm not excusing it, but as I've said on this subject a number of times, none of us were there. Equally, the fact he's been given community service for what seems like a pretty bad assault strongly suggests there is more to the story. |
He's cracked a lad's skull open with a rock, and seemingly now admitted it. I'm not sure there's a context where I think that's really ok beyond life threatening. If he played for Chelsea, or indeed a player of lesser importance to us, we'd be less keen to find excuses |  | | |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 14:58 - Jun 20 with 2318 views | DavieQPR |
Always a bit dodgy when the trial takes place in a different Country to where the offence took place. Really it's nothing to do with the Belgium authorities. Will he do his community service in Belgium where he has broken no laws? |  | | |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 15:23 - Jun 20 with 2229 views | TheChef |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 14:58 - Jun 20 by DavieQPR |
Always a bit dodgy when the trial takes place in a different Country to where the offence took place. Really it's nothing to do with the Belgium authorities. Will he do his community service in Belgium where he has broken no laws? |
That is true - why should Belgium take it on if the French authorities seemed to think it wasn't worth pursuing as a case?
Odd. | |
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| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 15:30 - Jun 20 with 2177 views | kensalriser |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 13:09 - Jun 20 by nick_hammersmith |
Isn't that more to do with Toney the sellable asset?
If I've got a car that I'd like to sell in a year for more than I paid for it, I'm not going to use social media to tell everyone my car is a bit of an arsehole am I?
I'll probably do the opposite, say how good the car is, then flog it and maybe later let on that my car didn't like me and I didn't like it.
Then to really show it, I'd use that money to buy a better car, and drive it all round town.
Remember when one of QPR's more expensive cars had a breakdown at a really important car show? We ended up paying a French bloke to drive it around for a year hoping that everyone would forget what a cünt of a car that one was. |
If you want to say Joey Barton's a cnt, just say it! |  |
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| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 15:50 - Jun 20 with 2091 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 14:50 - Jun 20 by robith |
He's cracked a lad's skull open with a rock, and seemingly now admitted it. I'm not sure there's a context where I think that's really ok beyond life threatening. If he played for Chelsea, or indeed a player of lesser importance to us, we'd be less keen to find excuses |
You're either making that up or reading / listening to sensationalised accounts on message boards etc.
The press reported he threw a stone. You won't find a single quote from the prosecution's story supplied to the press that uses the word rock. It says nothing about a lad's skull being cracked open nor him threatening anyone's life.
I couldn't let this sort of stuff go last time we were all debating an incident we know almost literally nothing about and even what we do know is fed purely from the prosecution. Please can we all be careful with our interpretation of what's been reported?
Such a fine and grey line here but I detest how people tend to be tried by gossip and social media these days. It's quite simply not fair and I wouldn't wish it on anyone - including QPR players. |  | | |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 16:05 - Jun 20 with 2027 views | robith |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 15:50 - Jun 20 by Padulas_Shampoo |
You're either making that up or reading / listening to sensationalised accounts on message boards etc.
The press reported he threw a stone. You won't find a single quote from the prosecution's story supplied to the press that uses the word rock. It says nothing about a lad's skull being cracked open nor him threatening anyone's life.
I couldn't let this sort of stuff go last time we were all debating an incident we know almost literally nothing about and even what we do know is fed purely from the prosecution. Please can we all be careful with our interpretation of what's been reported?
Such a fine and grey line here but I detest how people tend to be tried by gossip and social media these days. It's quite simply not fair and I wouldn't wish it on anyone - including QPR players. |
From the report Clive has posted in this thread, Chair has admitted he did it, and that "T. suffered a skull fracture of 2 centimeters". So I've tried no one by social media, but what he's admitted doing, and what the outcome was.
I'd say we're picking and choosing what we want to believe cos he's good for us | | | |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 16:36 - Jun 20 with 1909 views | Northernr |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 16:05 - Jun 20 by robith |
From the report Clive has posted in this thread, Chair has admitted he did it, and that "T. suffered a skull fracture of 2 centimeters". So I've tried no one by social media, but what he's admitted doing, and what the outcome was.
I'd say we're picking and choosing what we want to believe cos he's good for us |
Yeh it's 95% that. Let's be honest, if it was that little Poveda lad at Sheff Wed we'd have been mumbling and grumbling about it.
However, guy hits some hairy, misogynistic truck driver for getting a bit handsy with his bikini-clad GF in a bus queue vs entitled little footballer prick hits working class bloke in the head preventing him feeding his family because he objected to him pushing in the queue for the bus are very different cases. And we still don't know which it is.
Not that I'd be making that excuse if he played for somebody else. Or if it was Richards. Of course. like you say... if you don't like these morals I have others. |  | | |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 16:51 - Jun 20 with 1852 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 15:30 - Jun 20 by kensalriser |
If you want to say Joey Barton's a cnt, just say it! |
Well he is, but I didn't want to say it, as I'm guessing he's scraping some more cash together for round two with our cycling dj, who is def not a nonce | | | |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 17:05 - Jun 20 with 1809 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 16:05 - Jun 20 by robith |
From the report Clive has posted in this thread, Chair has admitted he did it, and that "T. suffered a skull fracture of 2 centimeters". So I've tried no one by social media, but what he's admitted doing, and what the outcome was.
I'd say we're picking and choosing what we want to believe cos he's good for us |
If you can’t see the difference between ‘cracking someone’s skull open with a rock’ and throwing a stone at someone I’ll abstain from debating with you.
I’ve no doubt he’s guilty. I have absolutely no idea what he’s guilty of so I won’t cast judgment.i don’t know why people would rush to judge anyone’s actions when they know so few facts. | | | |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 17:21 - Jun 20 with 1767 views | 1JD |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 15:50 - Jun 20 by Padulas_Shampoo |
You're either making that up or reading / listening to sensationalised accounts on message boards etc.
The press reported he threw a stone. You won't find a single quote from the prosecution's story supplied to the press that uses the word rock. It says nothing about a lad's skull being cracked open nor him threatening anyone's life.
I couldn't let this sort of stuff go last time we were all debating an incident we know almost literally nothing about and even what we do know is fed purely from the prosecution. Please can we all be careful with our interpretation of what's been reported?
Such a fine and grey line here but I detest how people tend to be tried by gossip and social media these days. It's quite simply not fair and I wouldn't wish it on anyone - including QPR players. |
Don’t normally get involved in these kind of discussions.
But.. Throwing something at someone, be it a glass, a stone, a pebble, a rock, some hard ice, etc, in anger at someone, impulsively, has been done many a time, by many a person. It’s not much different to someone throwing a punch at someone on a drunken night out, in anger, impulsively. Happens every day of the week.
None of it is acceptable, but some get lucky and get away with it and others don’t. Doesn’t make those who get caught a monster. Just as it doesn’t make those who get away with it an angel. Let’s hope there’s been some learning on all sides.
It’s also wise to suspend judgement because we are not privy to the finer details of the case. | | | |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 17:58 - Jun 20 with 1681 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Potential update on Illias Chair... on 17:21 - Jun 20 by 1JD |
Don’t normally get involved in these kind of discussions.
But.. Throwing something at someone, be it a glass, a stone, a pebble, a rock, some hard ice, etc, in anger at someone, impulsively, has been done many a time, by many a person. It’s not much different to someone throwing a punch at someone on a drunken night out, in anger, impulsively. Happens every day of the week.
None of it is acceptable, but some get lucky and get away with it and others don’t. Doesn’t make those who get caught a monster. Just as it doesn’t make those who get away with it an angel. Let’s hope there’s been some learning on all sides.
It’s also wise to suspend judgement because we are not privy to the finer details of the case. |
Couldn’t agree more. Well said. | | | |
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