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Everton points deduction reduced on 08:54 - Feb 27 by daveB
Chelsea haven't breached the rules yet as they get good prize money from Europe, sold a lot of players for big money, high league finishes etc although that may well change soon as they've been crap for 18 months
The lot from SW6 might not be in breach right now but they have come forward (painted into a corner and had to do something) and have indicated they may have a couple of skeletons in the closet (it’ll be a cemetery) but they have offered this up as it was under the old regime and they want to be helpful
They are up to their neck in it
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Everton points deduction reduced on 13:05 - Feb 27 with 3311 views
Everton points deduction reduced on 08:51 - Feb 27 by slmrstid
Juve never got that much of a punishment, originally it was 2 leagues and a huge points deduction with risk of a third relegation, eventually reduced to just one year in Serie B with a 9 point deduction and they still won the league by miles and went straight back to Serie A.
I bet even that reduced punishment Juve received is way more than any Manchester City might receive.
The football authorities are going to be in very hot water if City win the Prem with all these charges hanging over their heads, unless they win it by a huge number of points, which currently looks very unlikely.
"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."
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Everton points deduction reduced on 13:47 - Feb 27 with 3195 views
Chelsea are being investigated because their owners took over from a Russian war criminal, looked at the books and flagged them straight away to the PL as dodgy. I sort of feel sorry for them as it's the old regime that's being investigated. They are fcked this summer though as they have to sell shit loads of players to balance the books after no Europe for 2 years.
Forest are a fcking joke. They brazenly broke the rules last season, overspent ridiculously and now will be punished for it. All that will happen though is they'll go down, keep all their players, blitz the Championship and come back up
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Everton points deduction reduced on 13:49 - Feb 27 with 3188 views
Everton points deduction reduced on 13:47 - Feb 27 by BAWHoops
Chelsea are being investigated because their owners took over from a Russian war criminal, looked at the books and flagged them straight away to the PL as dodgy. I sort of feel sorry for them as it's the old regime that's being investigated. They are fcked this summer though as they have to sell shit loads of players to balance the books after no Europe for 2 years.
Forest are a fcking joke. They brazenly broke the rules last season, overspent ridiculously and now will be punished for it. All that will happen though is they'll go down, keep all their players, blitz the Championship and come back up
You feel sorry for them!!
Go and stand in the corner for three days and think about what you have just said!
favourite cheese mature Cheddar. FFS there is no such thing as the EPL
Everton points deduction reduced on 13:47 - Feb 27 by BAWHoops
Chelsea are being investigated because their owners took over from a Russian war criminal, looked at the books and flagged them straight away to the PL as dodgy. I sort of feel sorry for them as it's the old regime that's being investigated. They are fcked this summer though as they have to sell shit loads of players to balance the books after no Europe for 2 years.
Forest are a fcking joke. They brazenly broke the rules last season, overspent ridiculously and now will be punished for it. All that will happen though is they'll go down, keep all their players, blitz the Championship and come back up
Everton points deduction reduced on 13:47 - Feb 27 by BAWHoops
Chelsea are being investigated because their owners took over from a Russian war criminal, looked at the books and flagged them straight away to the PL as dodgy. I sort of feel sorry for them as it's the old regime that's being investigated. They are fcked this summer though as they have to sell shit loads of players to balance the books after no Europe for 2 years.
Forest are a fcking joke. They brazenly broke the rules last season, overspent ridiculously and now will be punished for it. All that will happen though is they'll go down, keep all their players, blitz the Championship and come back up
I don't feel sorry for them at all. Not just because it's Chelsea but it's blatantly obvious the whole thing under the previous owner was as dodgy as fk so they can't be surprised of this when they took over the club and then found out it was.
Everton points deduction reduced on 13:38 - Feb 27 by R_from_afar
I bet even that reduced punishment Juve received is way more than any Manchester City might receive.
The football authorities are going to be in very hot water if City win the Prem with all these charges hanging over their heads, unless they win it by a huge number of points, which currently looks very unlikely.
The City case won’t be heard until early 2025 aiming for a decision before summer 25..
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Everton points deduction reduced on 15:30 - Feb 27 with 3005 views
Everton points deduction reduced on 14:39 - Feb 27 by Juzzie
I don't feel sorry for them at all. Not just because it's Chelsea but it's blatantly obvious the whole thing under the previous owner was as dodgy as fk so they can't be surprised of this when they took over the club and then found out it was.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
The main consequence of FFP, rather than any hint of clubs being protected from mismanagement, has been to make it even more difficult for any clubs to compete with those already getting extra money from UEFA competitions upper Premier League place prize money, and all the branding benefits that go with them. That financial gulf makes the difference between Leeds and Rotherham's budget this season look negligible by comparison. The relevant bodies have had far too much time to do something about that, to be able to legitimately claim that this wasn't their intention.
Just as they don't want Everton in the Champions League, they don't want Everton to be a division below the likes of Luton, or even Forest, whose trophies were won just a bit too long ago for Sky Sports and their competitorsto count them as history.
History is branding and TV marketability. Everton have been in the Premier league since 1992 (top flight even longer but that's irrelevant), and all of the audiences in any country you care to name know who they are. The youngest person who saw Forest win the European Cup is approaching retirement age.
Meanwhile Man City's owners are allowed to spend whatever they like because a successful Man City makes money for the broadcasters, who in turn fund football. I'm not sure what will be said about Newcastle, when they end up spending obscene sums of money they can easily afford but could never be called revenue. They're a club about the same size of Everton, but not living in the shadow of a city rival. They might get away with it. They might not. They certainly have more chance than we would. On a championship scale our budget could be massive if our owners just spent what they can afford and are inclined to lose, but we would definitely get punished for it.
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Everton points deduction reduced on 17:54 - Feb 27 with 2829 views
Everton points deduction reduced on 16:52 - Feb 27 by saxbend
I'm really not surprised.
The main consequence of FFP, rather than any hint of clubs being protected from mismanagement, has been to make it even more difficult for any clubs to compete with those already getting extra money from UEFA competitions upper Premier League place prize money, and all the branding benefits that go with them. That financial gulf makes the difference between Leeds and Rotherham's budget this season look negligible by comparison. The relevant bodies have had far too much time to do something about that, to be able to legitimately claim that this wasn't their intention.
Just as they don't want Everton in the Champions League, they don't want Everton to be a division below the likes of Luton, or even Forest, whose trophies were won just a bit too long ago for Sky Sports and their competitorsto count them as history.
History is branding and TV marketability. Everton have been in the Premier league since 1992 (top flight even longer but that's irrelevant), and all of the audiences in any country you care to name know who they are. The youngest person who saw Forest win the European Cup is approaching retirement age.
Meanwhile Man City's owners are allowed to spend whatever they like because a successful Man City makes money for the broadcasters, who in turn fund football. I'm not sure what will be said about Newcastle, when they end up spending obscene sums of money they can easily afford but could never be called revenue. They're a club about the same size of Everton, but not living in the shadow of a city rival. They might get away with it. They might not. They certainly have more chance than we would. On a championship scale our budget could be massive if our owners just spent what they can afford and are inclined to lose, but we would definitely get punished for it.
"The relevant bodies have had far too much time to do something about that, to be able to legitimately claim that this wasn't their intention."
Superb line. Gets to the very heart of it. I'll be quoting you many, many times.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
Everton points deduction reduced on 13:47 - Feb 27 by BAWHoops
Chelsea are being investigated because their owners took over from a Russian war criminal, looked at the books and flagged them straight away to the PL as dodgy. I sort of feel sorry for them as it's the old regime that's being investigated. They are fcked this summer though as they have to sell shit loads of players to balance the books after no Europe for 2 years.
Forest are a fcking joke. They brazenly broke the rules last season, overspent ridiculously and now will be punished for it. All that will happen though is they'll go down, keep all their players, blitz the Championship and come back up
Sorry?
Strip them of the trophies they bought with dodgy money and restore them to the mid table occasionally relegated rabble they always were, then we'll talk.
Oh and ban that minger Astrid Wett from ever going on the internet again.
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Everton points deduction reduced on 12:15 - Feb 28 with 2446 views
Forest get a four-point deduction. What is the point of these deductions? Either whack them with a 30-point deduction or don't bother. I assume they were fined £42m too...
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Everton points deduction reduced on 13:55 - Mar 18 with 2072 views
Everton points deduction reduced on 13:53 - Mar 18 by Wegerles_Stairs
Forest get a four-point deduction. What is the point of these deductions? Either whack them with a 30-point deduction or don't bother. I assume they were fined £42m too...
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Another five or six signings and they'll soon have those back.
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Everton points deduction reduced on 13:56 - Mar 18 with 2039 views
Everton points deduction reduced on 13:55 - Mar 18 by Northernr
Another five or six signings and they'll soon have those back.
Tbh the Forest case shows how ludicrous it all is. FFP is supposed to be about ensuring clubs are as sustainable as possible but they've been punished for trying to maximise the profit they make on a player. It's beyond a joke at this stage.
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Everton points deduction reduced on 14:06 - Mar 18 with 1950 views
Meanwhile, Man City blithely carries on as normal while nothing is done about its alleged breaches.
115 of them
Between 2009 and 2018
The Daily Mail - sorry - has recently claimed that City's FFP hearing won't be until this autumn and that a verdict is not likely until at least 2025. Madness!
"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."
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Everton points deduction reduced on 14:09 - Mar 18 with 1940 views
Everton points deduction reduced on 14:06 - Mar 18 by R_from_afar
Meanwhile, Man City blithely carries on as normal while nothing is done about its alleged breaches.
115 of them
Between 2009 and 2018
The Daily Mail - sorry - has recently claimed that City's FFP hearing won't be until this autumn and that a verdict is not likely until at least 2025. Madness!
City have gone about it the right way - commit as many breaches as possible so that the legal system struggles to keep up.
Everton points deduction reduced on 13:56 - Mar 18 by Wegerles_Stairs
Tbh the Forest case shows how ludicrous it all is. FFP is supposed to be about ensuring clubs are as sustainable as possible but they've been punished for trying to maximise the profit they make on a player. It's beyond a joke at this stage.
Well, Forest's behaviour after promotion was absolutely ludicrous. They signed 30 players last season, at a cost of £200m. They signed players (O'Brien, Bowler) who they basically had no use for before they even arrived. Several of their new signings didn't even make the 25-mnan squad for the second half of the season. They signed Omar Richards from Bayern Munich without spotting he had a broken leg in his medical, so signed another permanent left back a week later to replace him. They gave Jesse Lingard a contract getting on for half a million quid a month. Emmanuel Dennis, £20m, six starts, now on loan back at Watford.
This was all obviously a) completely nuts and b) breaking the FFP rules, despite what the collection of enraptured client journalists at The Athletic were spewing out because they were so blinded by their team finally being back in the Prem and "the man they call Coops". There's this real narrative grown up around Forest that they're a plucky underdog story, and that this is all grossly unfair persecution of them, because (like West Ham in the 90s) there's a weirdly large amount of high profile sports writers who support them and have let that cloud their writing and coverage of the club. I ended up cancelling my Athletic sub in the end - some of the stuff Daniel and Paul Taylor were producing would have been deemed too over the top gushing to even go on most club's official website.
However, your overall point is right. The ideal of FFP was meant to keep clubs alive. It's not working - Reading. And it's also preventing clubs growing and challenging the established elite. If an owner wants to spend money on his football club then he should probably be allowed to do that as long as he doesn't leverage the debt against it.
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Everton points deduction reduced on 14:16 - Mar 18 with 1875 views
Everton points deduction reduced on 14:13 - Mar 18 by Northernr
Well, Forest's behaviour after promotion was absolutely ludicrous. They signed 30 players last season, at a cost of £200m. They signed players (O'Brien, Bowler) who they basically had no use for before they even arrived. Several of their new signings didn't even make the 25-mnan squad for the second half of the season. They signed Omar Richards from Bayern Munich without spotting he had a broken leg in his medical, so signed another permanent left back a week later to replace him. They gave Jesse Lingard a contract getting on for half a million quid a month. Emmanuel Dennis, £20m, six starts, now on loan back at Watford.
This was all obviously a) completely nuts and b) breaking the FFP rules, despite what the collection of enraptured client journalists at The Athletic were spewing out because they were so blinded by their team finally being back in the Prem and "the man they call Coops". There's this real narrative grown up around Forest that they're a plucky underdog story, and that this is all grossly unfair persecution of them, because (like West Ham in the 90s) there's a weirdly large amount of high profile sports writers who support them and have let that cloud their writing and coverage of the club. I ended up cancelling my Athletic sub in the end - some of the stuff Daniel and Paul Taylor were producing would have been deemed too over the top gushing to even go on most club's official website.
However, your overall point is right. The ideal of FFP was meant to keep clubs alive. It's not working - Reading. And it's also preventing clubs growing and challenging the established elite. If an owner wants to spend money on his football club then he should probably be allowed to do that as long as he doesn't leverage the debt against it.
4 points. Seems small to me.
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Everton points deduction reduced on 14:19 - Mar 18 with 1832 views
Everton points deduction reduced on 14:09 - Mar 18 by TheChef
City have gone about it the right way - commit as many breaches as possible so that the legal system struggles to keep up.
The old "might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb" manoeuvre
"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."
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Everton points deduction reduced on 14:49 - Mar 18 with 1650 views
Everton points deduction reduced on 14:06 - Mar 18 by R_from_afar
Meanwhile, Man City blithely carries on as normal while nothing is done about its alleged breaches.
115 of them
Between 2009 and 2018
The Daily Mail - sorry - has recently claimed that City's FFP hearing won't be until this autumn and that a verdict is not likely until at least 2025. Madness!
I read a conservative estimate that there will be over a million documents in discovery on the City case, in that context it’s not surprising that it takes a few years to put the case together.
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Everton points deduction reduced on 15:19 - Mar 18 with 1516 views
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