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Buried in paragraph 23 is this gem. "We acknowledge the importance of shared technical standards and verification methods, under the framework of the IHR (2005), to facilitate seamless international travel, interoperability, and recognizing digital solutions and non-digital solutions, including proof of vaccinations. "
Welcome to the world of Digital IDs and International Travel Vaccination Passports.
The latest G20 meeting. on 18:58 - Nov 17 by Boundy
Take a look at your plastic driving licence , we already have a national id card , that's just an extension
Silly me, I didn't realise that my Driving Licence controlled whether one could go abroad. I thought it had something to do with a Passport. In future it will depend on your vaccination status with whatever vaccines they decide you should have.
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The latest G20 meeting. on 19:45 - Nov 17 with 3628 views
The latest G20 meeting. on 19:41 - Nov 17 by A_Fans_Dad
Silly me, I didn't realise that my Driving Licence controlled whether one could go abroad. I thought it had something to do with a Passport. In future it will depend on your vaccination status with whatever vaccines they decide you should have.
Which is fair enough.
Countries are more than entitled to decide whether or not to allow plague ridden, anti-vaxx cretins within their own borders.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
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The latest G20 meeting. on 19:59 - Nov 17 with 3621 views
The latest G20 meeting. on 19:45 - Nov 17 by Dr_Winston
Which is fair enough.
Countries are more than entitled to decide whether or not to allow plague ridden, anti-vaxx cretins within their own borders.
So are you prepared to have an Mrna Monkey Pox vaccination if they demand it? Are you fully up to date with your Covid vaccines, what is it now 2 Vaccines and 2 boosters? Will you have another booster if they say it is required?
Talk about a licence to print money for Vaccine manufacturers.
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The latest G20 meeting. on 20:12 - Nov 17 with 3610 views
The latest G20 meeting. on 19:59 - Nov 17 by A_Fans_Dad
So are you prepared to have an Mrna Monkey Pox vaccination if they demand it? Are you fully up to date with your Covid vaccines, what is it now 2 Vaccines and 2 boosters? Will you have another booster if they say it is required?
Talk about a licence to print money for Vaccine manufacturers.
I am up to date on my Covid vaccines. I'm also vaccinated against Tetanus and several other things that scientific progress has enabled me to.
Any nation state is more than entitled to exclude the kind of Andrew Wakefield worshipping halfwit dumb enough to refuse a time proven method of reducing the spread of easily transmissible disease.
Sadly as yet there remains no vaccine against stupidity.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
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The latest G20 meeting. on 21:30 - Nov 17 with 3589 views
The latest G20 meeting. on 20:12 - Nov 17 by Dr_Winston
I am up to date on my Covid vaccines. I'm also vaccinated against Tetanus and several other things that scientific progress has enabled me to.
Any nation state is more than entitled to exclude the kind of Andrew Wakefield worshipping halfwit dumb enough to refuse a time proven method of reducing the spread of easily transmissible disease.
Sadly as yet there remains no vaccine against stupidity.
This great reset, it already happened.
You cant vaccinate against stupidity but serious illness and death does make it go away, there's always still plenty to spare though.
The latest G20 meeting. on 19:59 - Nov 17 by A_Fans_Dad
So are you prepared to have an Mrna Monkey Pox vaccination if they demand it? Are you fully up to date with your Covid vaccines, what is it now 2 Vaccines and 2 boosters? Will you have another booster if they say it is required?
Talk about a licence to print money for Vaccine manufacturers.
its their country therefore its their rules
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
The latest G20 meeting. on 20:12 - Nov 17 by Dr_Winston
I am up to date on my Covid vaccines. I'm also vaccinated against Tetanus and several other things that scientific progress has enabled me to.
Any nation state is more than entitled to exclude the kind of Andrew Wakefield worshipping halfwit dumb enough to refuse a time proven method of reducing the spread of easily transmissible disease.
Sadly as yet there remains no vaccine against stupidity.
Oh you are such a good boy. Award yourself a good boy star.
"a time proven method of reducing the spread of easily transmissible disease"
You actually think the COVID Vaccines reduced the spread of the virus? If it reduced the spread it must have reduced the deaths as well, correct? Let me remind you again of what actually happened compared to what you think happened, courtesy of John Hopkin University's data and this is before the Omicron explosion where cases were much higher.
Most of the World started vaccinating during 2021, look at peak in cases in January 2022 at 3.8 million per day, which is 4 times higher than any other peak, just as it was in the UK.
The latest G20 meeting. on 22:04 - Nov 17 by A_Fans_Dad
Oh you are such a good boy. Award yourself a good boy star.
"a time proven method of reducing the spread of easily transmissible disease"
You actually think the COVID Vaccines reduced the spread of the virus? If it reduced the spread it must have reduced the deaths as well, correct? Let me remind you again of what actually happened compared to what you think happened, courtesy of John Hopkin University's data and this is before the Omicron explosion where cases were much higher.
Most of the World started vaccinating during 2021, look at peak in cases in January 2022 at 3.8 million per day, which is 4 times higher than any other peak, just as it was in the UK.
Keep repeating the mantra the vaccines reduced the spread. the vaccines reduced the spread the vaccines reduced the spread
No, when I caught Covid the vaccine stopped me being seriously ill.
Didn't we do this enough before, why do you keep onand on and on and on, none of us are listening. Go join a conspiracist forum where everybody will lap up another member spouting this.
The latest G20 meeting. on 22:16 - Nov 17 by Catullus
No, when I caught Covid the vaccine stopped me being seriously ill.
Didn't we do this enough before, why do you keep onand on and on and on, none of us are listening. Go join a conspiracist forum where everybody will lap up another member spouting this.
Why do people like Dr Winston keep repetaing the lie that vaccines reduced the spread? When I am presenting facts, that you find unpalatable?
Afterall it is simplicity itself to disprove that data, it is all available.
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The latest G20 meeting. on 04:09 - Nov 18 with 3539 views
The latest G20 meeting. on 22:34 - Nov 17 by A_Fans_Dad
Why do people like Dr Winston keep repetaing the lie that vaccines reduced the spread? When I am presenting facts, that you find unpalatable?
Afterall it is simplicity itself to disprove that data, it is all available.
[Post edited 17 Nov 2022 22:35]
It stopped people like myself from getting seriously ill. That was my thinking when accepting it. I had my second booster (4th overall) last week. I did think long and hard before accepting it. It'll probably be my last.
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The latest G20 meeting. on 08:50 - Nov 18 with 3520 views
The latest G20 meeting. on 04:09 - Nov 18 by Treforys_Jack
It stopped people like myself from getting seriously ill. That was my thinking when accepting it. I had my second booster (4th overall) last week. I did think long and hard before accepting it. It'll probably be my last.
Does that mean you are another one of those who caught it after vaccination, like scotia, catullus, virtually my whole extended family, that is another 8 people, except one Grandson and my Brother. A lot of people have also had it more than once after vaccination.
It appears the point of this International Health Passport being pushed by the WHO/UN is that they make the decisions on what is acceptable and not the various countries.
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The latest G20 meeting. on 09:52 - Nov 18 with 3507 views
The latest G20 meeting. on 20:12 - Nov 17 by Dr_Winston
I am up to date on my Covid vaccines. I'm also vaccinated against Tetanus and several other things that scientific progress has enabled me to.
Any nation state is more than entitled to exclude the kind of Andrew Wakefield worshipping halfwit dumb enough to refuse a time proven method of reducing the spread of easily transmissible disease.
Sadly as yet there remains no vaccine against stupidity.
And vaccination status has been an entry criteria for many countries for years. Not much risk of Yellow Fever in the UK, but had the vaccine to go to Brazil (historically) and a few African countries.
Vaccination for TB (or reactivity) and Hepatitis B has long been a requirement for frontline NHS and lab staff.
Let's hope we get malaria vaccine and some new TB vaccines (good old BCG has low efficacy these days after 100 years of use) at the least to stop millions, especially kids, dying when they need not.
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The latest G20 meeting. on 11:19 - Nov 18 with 3475 views
The latest G20 meeting. on 22:04 - Nov 17 by A_Fans_Dad
Oh you are such a good boy. Award yourself a good boy star.
"a time proven method of reducing the spread of easily transmissible disease"
You actually think the COVID Vaccines reduced the spread of the virus? If it reduced the spread it must have reduced the deaths as well, correct? Let me remind you again of what actually happened compared to what you think happened, courtesy of John Hopkin University's data and this is before the Omicron explosion where cases were much higher.
Most of the World started vaccinating during 2021, look at peak in cases in January 2022 at 3.8 million per day, which is 4 times higher than any other peak, just as it was in the UK.
Keep repeating the mantra the vaccines reduced the spread. the vaccines reduced the spread the vaccines reduced the spread
Vaccine supply was in short supply at the start of January as you well know . Most people in the UK did not receive their first vaccination until August 2021 and the UK was ahead of most of the rest of the World. The UK did not reach fully vaccinated status until early 2022 for this who wanted it. The rest of the world did not full vaccination until mid 2022. No wonder deaths peaked worldwide in January 2022 and have rapidly fallen since.
It is as if the anti vaxers have changed history to support their bigoted views.
The latest G20 meeting. on 08:50 - Nov 18 by A_Fans_Dad
Does that mean you are another one of those who caught it after vaccination, like scotia, catullus, virtually my whole extended family, that is another 8 people, except one Grandson and my Brother. A lot of people have also had it more than once after vaccination.
It appears the point of this International Health Passport being pushed by the WHO/UN is that they make the decisions on what is acceptable and not the various countries.
The latest G20 meeting. on 11:23 - Nov 18 by onehunglow
You don’t believe in vaccination ?
Yes I believe in vaccination as long as it a sterilizing vaccine and not an Experimental Non Sterilizing, Leaky Vaccine in the middle of a fast mutating Virus Pandemic. Because the Vaccine cannot keep up with the new variations and quickly becomes near to useless. This not my view, this is the view of Experts. https://reliefweb.int/report/world/two-thirds-epidemiologists-warn-mutations-cou That report was written before they realised that the efficacy of the vaccines waned so quickly as well. Plus I don't believe in "mandating" a vaccine based on the lie that it is to protect others when it patently doesn't
There were also experts warning about it even before the vaccines were used.
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The latest G20 meeting. on 12:53 - Nov 18 with 3454 views
The latest G20 meeting. on 12:20 - Nov 18 by A_Fans_Dad
Yes I believe in vaccination as long as it a sterilizing vaccine and not an Experimental Non Sterilizing, Leaky Vaccine in the middle of a fast mutating Virus Pandemic. Because the Vaccine cannot keep up with the new variations and quickly becomes near to useless. This not my view, this is the view of Experts. https://reliefweb.int/report/world/two-thirds-epidemiologists-warn-mutations-cou That report was written before they realised that the efficacy of the vaccines waned so quickly as well. Plus I don't believe in "mandating" a vaccine based on the lie that it is to protect others when it patently doesn't
There were also experts warning about it even before the vaccines were used.
[Post edited 18 Nov 2022 12:38]
Very few vaccines elicit sterilising immunity-smallpox and measles being the main exceptions.
So on that basis all bacterial vaccines, hepatitis b, polio, influenza are also useless.
So the fact that wild polio is eradicated and that kids don't get whooping cough is not a good thing?
All vaccines start somewhere-an important point in that article (and epidemiologists don't develop vaccines either) is first generation. The sensible over 50s and vulnerable here are on the second generation of vaccine.
There were idiots saying this BS to Jenner in the 18th century too.
The latest G20 meeting. on 12:53 - Nov 18 by Sandanista
Very few vaccines elicit sterilising immunity-smallpox and measles being the main exceptions.
So on that basis all bacterial vaccines, hepatitis b, polio, influenza are also useless.
So the fact that wild polio is eradicated and that kids don't get whooping cough is not a good thing?
All vaccines start somewhere-an important point in that article (and epidemiologists don't develop vaccines either) is first generation. The sensible over 50s and vulnerable here are on the second generation of vaccine.
There were idiots saying this BS to Jenner in the 18th century too.
The latest G20 meeting. on 12:53 - Nov 18 by Sandanista
Very few vaccines elicit sterilising immunity-smallpox and measles being the main exceptions.
So on that basis all bacterial vaccines, hepatitis b, polio, influenza are also useless.
So the fact that wild polio is eradicated and that kids don't get whooping cough is not a good thing?
All vaccines start somewhere-an important point in that article (and epidemiologists don't develop vaccines either) is first generation. The sensible over 50s and vulnerable here are on the second generation of vaccine.
There were idiots saying this BS to Jenner in the 18th century too.
We all know this is tin foil hat WEF nonsense. As Catullus said-go post it on a conspiracy site.
Were the epidemiologists right or wrong?
Are you suggesting that epidemiologists do not understand Pandemics and Vaccines? A reminder "epidemiologists search for the cause of disease, identify people who are at risk, determine how to control or stop the spread or prevent it from happening again."
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The latest G20 meeting. on 15:08 - Nov 18 with 3411 views
The latest G20 meeting. on 14:40 - Nov 18 by A_Fans_Dad
Were the epidemiologists right or wrong?
Are you suggesting that epidemiologists do not understand Pandemics and Vaccines? A reminder "epidemiologists search for the cause of disease, identify people who are at risk, determine how to control or stop the spread or prevent it from happening again."
[Post edited 18 Nov 2022 14:42]
Neither
They are right to an extent about transmission but wrong about efficacy. Most epidemiology has to simplify complex systems. If you deal in just neutralising antibody then they are partly correct as ability to prevent transmission was diminished-but despite your attempts to discredit, there is still an effect. However, protection against severe illness which is mainly CD8+ T cell mediated reamains high.
Your naivety of black v white in a biological world of shades of grey, show what an anti-since fool you truly are.
And epidemiologist's are usually pretty poor in vaccine design as not pathogen or immune specialists
They may suggest controls, but it's microbiologists/virologist and immunologists who develop them
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The latest G20 meeting. on 16:34 - Nov 18 with 3396 views
The latest G20 meeting. on 15:08 - Nov 18 by Sandanista
Neither
They are right to an extent about transmission but wrong about efficacy. Most epidemiology has to simplify complex systems. If you deal in just neutralising antibody then they are partly correct as ability to prevent transmission was diminished-but despite your attempts to discredit, there is still an effect. However, protection against severe illness which is mainly CD8+ T cell mediated reamains high.
Your naivety of black v white in a biological world of shades of grey, show what an anti-since fool you truly are.
And epidemiologist's are usually pretty poor in vaccine design as not pathogen or immune specialists
They may suggest controls, but it's microbiologists/virologist and immunologists who develop them
"They are right to an extent about transmission but wrong about efficacy. "
Yes they were right about Transmission, which is what this Thread is all about. Supposedly controlling Transmission which is why you will need a vaccine passport to travel.
However although you won't admit it you are wrong on efficacy. The ONS data proves that efficacy has reduced to Zero with waning effectiveness, hence the need for yet another Booster shot. Remember this chart, extolling the virtues of the Booster shot? Back in March, well it got worse than that.
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