| Hammers in for Hogan 11:55 - Jan 1 with 120877 views | hitman |
Just reading West Ham are about to put in a 10 million
Bid for Scott hogan due to a medical
With Dale getting 20%
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| Hammers in for Hogan on 21:29 - Jan 10 with 4689 views | dingdangblue |
| Hammers in for Hogan on 15:16 - Jan 10 by DaleiLama |
Absolutely the club is strengthened and secured as a result (and ftr, I was pro the sale of SH and MD), but that, imho is the job of the Board and not the Manager . Of course they can't and don't operate in isolation, but I were an owner, I wouldn't want a manager of my club to personally profit from the sale of players, as it may affect their decision making in too many ways.
You are entirely correct in terms of rewards and it's hypothetical anyway as everything is already in place. I have worked with companies both with PRP schemes and without and if designed well can work well to incentivise. As you say, it is what it is. [Post edited 10 Jan 2017 15:31]
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Without Hill there would be no players to sell. |  |
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| Hammers in for Hogan on 21:37 - Jan 10 with 4630 views | nordenblue |
| Hammers in for Hogan on 21:29 - Jan 10 by dingdangblue |
Without Hill there would be no players to sell. |
We've sold a couple prior to Hills arrival...... |  | | |
| Hammers in for Hogan on 21:41 - Jan 10 with 4609 views | dingdangblue |
| Hammers in for Hogan on 21:37 - Jan 10 by nordenblue |
We've sold a couple prior to Hills arrival...... |
Hardly any then. | |
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| Hammers in for Hogan on 22:36 - Jan 10 with 4423 views | nordenblue |
| Hammers in for Hogan on 21:41 - Jan 10 by dingdangblue |
Hardly any then. |
Not quite..... don't let the facts spoil a good story though | | | |
| Hammers in for Hogan on 23:06 - Jan 10 with 4362 views | rochedale |
| Hammers in for Hogan on 22:36 - Jan 10 by nordenblue |
Not quite..... don't let the facts spoil a good story though |
Without really trying, I can think of three significant sales prior to KH... Reeves, Butler and Welch. No doubt there are many more but those are the only ones that initially spring to mind.
Edit: significant - £100k+ [Post edited 10 Jan 2017 23:08]
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| Hammers in for Hogan on 23:10 - Jan 10 with 4347 views | 442Dale |
| Hammers in for Hogan on 23:06 - Jan 10 by rochedale |
Without really trying, I can think of three significant sales prior to KH... Reeves, Butler and Welch. No doubt there are many more but those are the only ones that initially spring to mind.
Edit: significant - £100k+ [Post edited 10 Jan 2017 23:08]
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Bywater, Holt, Lambert. |  |
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| Hammers in for Hogan on 23:13 - Jan 10 with 4333 views | rochedale |
| Hammers in for Hogan on 23:10 - Jan 10 by 442Dale |
Bywater, Holt, Lambert. |
Good shouts | |
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| Hammers in for Hogan on 23:29 - Jan 10 with 4296 views | dingdangblue |
| Hammers in for Hogan on 22:36 - Jan 10 by nordenblue |
Not quite..... don't let the facts spoil a good story though |
Compared to Hill's success rate I'd say it was hardly any.
6 players under various managers in the 30 years before Hill - with no promotion's and 1 play off.
Under Hill: 2 promotion's, 2 play offs, 1 Wembley and 3 FA Cup runs.
Murray
LeFondre
Buckley
Perkins
Dawson
O'Grady
Done
Hogan
+ the current squad value.
If he takes a percentage of transfers then good for him - he's worth every penny. | |
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| Hammers in for Hogan on 09:40 - Jan 11 with 4101 views | DaleiLama |
| Hammers in for Hogan on 21:29 - Jan 10 by dingdangblue |
Without Hill there would be no players to sell. |
Hence the comment " how many other managers could actually do what KH is doing on a consistent basis". Anyway, I accept my view is in the minority. Moving on .......... |  |
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| Hammers in for Hogan on 12:46 - Jan 11 with 3876 views | boromat |
| Hammers in for Hogan on 23:29 - Jan 10 by dingdangblue |
Compared to Hill's success rate I'd say it was hardly any.
6 players under various managers in the 30 years before Hill - with no promotion's and 1 play off.
Under Hill: 2 promotion's, 2 play offs, 1 Wembley and 3 FA Cup runs.
Murray
LeFondre
Buckley
Perkins
Dawson
O'Grady
Done
Hogan
+ the current squad value.
If he takes a percentage of transfers then good for him - he's worth every penny. |
Don't forget Donnelly  | |
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| Hammers in for Hogan on 13:59 - Jan 11 with 3729 views | dingdangblue |
| Hammers in for Hogan on 12:46 - Jan 11 by boromat |
Don't forget Donnelly |
The criteria was £100k or more.............not a bag of footballs and a set of cones! | |
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| Hammers in for Hogan on 14:05 - Jan 11 with 3708 views | electricblue |
Where does 25% fit into those figures..... |  |
| My all time favourite Dale player Mr Lyndon Symmonds |
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| Hammers in for Hogan on 14:17 - Jan 11 with 3655 views | soulboy |
| Hammers in for Hogan on 12:46 - Jan 11 by boromat |
Don't forget Donnelly |
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| Hammers in for Hogan on 14:19 - Jan 11 with 3643 views | Bendy |
| Hammers in for Hogan on 14:05 - Jan 11 by electricblue |
Where does 25% fit into those figures..... |
Using the figures quoted by them, Dale would get 30% of £14.25M (the £15M minus the original transfer fee) which is £4.275M, so four million is just a easy headline figure. They do mention at the end the amount would be over £4.2M though
EDIT: "figures quoted by them" refers to figures quoted in the article (which may not be accurate) and not imply that the figures were quoted by Dale as it could have been read as [Post edited 11 Jan 2017 14:23]
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| Hammers in for Hogan on 14:20 - Jan 11 with 3628 views | pioneer |
| Hammers in for Hogan on 09:40 - Jan 11 by DaleiLama |
Hence the comment " how many other managers could actually do what KH is doing on a consistent basis". Anyway, I accept my view is in the minority. Moving on .......... |
Not necessarily in minority. The poll on the type of draw we would like in Round 4 showed that the 'barmy' (those preferring the probability of progress over the probability of riches) were in the majority . . . just a silent majority.
It might be that some people have difficulty separating out the issue of how much the manager should be paid from how he should be paid. Some seem to be suggesting that the current incentive structure based on transfer fees received wont affect the managers behaviour. In that case it would not matter to him if we stopped providing this incentive and instead put him on an annual salary equal to, say, the average of what his income from RAFC has been over his current stay (suitably adjusted for inflation of course). That might also make sure that the directors (those responsible for negotiating sales) have the right incentives and put more emphasis on up front fees (like Charlton and Peterborough) and less emphasis on uncertain and conditional future payments. | | | |
| Hammers in for Hogan on 15:36 - Jan 11 with 3463 views | aleanddale |
| Hammers in for Hogan on 14:05 - Jan 11 by electricblue |
Where does 25% fit into those figures..... |
The sell on is 30%
Wow!!!!! | | | |
| Hammers in for Hogan on 15:43 - Jan 11 with 3409 views | robbowood |
I'll believe it when I see it
Until then it's all paper talk and any sensible Dale fan (which most of us are) will take all the speculation of Scott's transfer to WHU with a pinch of salt | | | |
| Hammers in for Hogan on 16:11 - Jan 11 with 3298 views | fitzochris |
| Hammers in for Hogan on 15:43 - Jan 11 by robbowood |
I'll believe it when I see it
Until then it's all paper talk and any sensible Dale fan (which most of us are) will take all the speculation of Scott's transfer to WHU with a pinch of salt |
Salty premature speculation? |  |
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| Hammers in for Hogan on 16:32 - Jan 11 with 3212 views | macro |
| Hammers in for Hogan on 15:36 - Jan 11 by aleanddale |
The sell on is 30%
Wow!!!!! |
30% I doubt it. Rubbish journalism as well. The original sale price needs to deducted first. I reckon a total of 2.5 million would be more realistic. |  | | |
| Hammers in for Hogan on 16:41 - Jan 11 with 3146 views | D_Dale |
| Hammers in for Hogan on 14:19 - Jan 11 by Bendy |
Using the figures quoted by them, Dale would get 30% of £14.25M (the £15M minus the original transfer fee) which is £4.275M, so four million is just a easy headline figure. They do mention at the end the amount would be over £4.2M though
EDIT: "figures quoted by them" refers to figures quoted in the article (which may not be accurate) and not imply that the figures were quoted by Dale as it could have been read as [Post edited 11 Jan 2017 14:23]
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So, IF these figures are correct, Keith Hill is in line to receive £213,750. And if the deal doesn't go through, he gets nowt.
He's got an unusually cool head if he's not currently suffering sweaty palms, sleepless nights and a squeaky bum. | | | |
| Hammers in for Hogan on 16:46 - Jan 11 with 3107 views | ColDale |
| Hammers in for Hogan on 16:32 - Jan 11 by macro |
30% I doubt it. Rubbish journalism as well. The original sale price needs to deducted first. I reckon a total of 2.5 million would be more realistic. |
There's a bit of me thinking that Brentford are touting the 30% angle with West Ham as a way of squeezing that bit more out of them. |  | | |
| Hammers in for Hogan on 16:50 - Jan 11 with 3081 views | macro |
| Hammers in for Hogan on 16:46 - Jan 11 by ColDale |
There's a bit of me thinking that Brentford are touting the 30% angle with West Ham as a way of squeezing that bit more out of them. |
One call to Dale would solve that. They'd have seen the contract etc | | | |
| Hammers in for Hogan on 17:34 - Jan 11 with 2966 views | D_Alien |
| Hammers in for Hogan on 14:20 - Jan 11 by pioneer |
Not necessarily in minority. The poll on the type of draw we would like in Round 4 showed that the 'barmy' (those preferring the probability of progress over the probability of riches) were in the majority . . . just a silent majority.
It might be that some people have difficulty separating out the issue of how much the manager should be paid from how he should be paid. Some seem to be suggesting that the current incentive structure based on transfer fees received wont affect the managers behaviour. In that case it would not matter to him if we stopped providing this incentive and instead put him on an annual salary equal to, say, the average of what his income from RAFC has been over his current stay (suitably adjusted for inflation of course). That might also make sure that the directors (those responsible for negotiating sales) have the right incentives and put more emphasis on up front fees (like Charlton and Peterborough) and less emphasis on uncertain and conditional future payments. |
What some of us are suggesting is that of course it'll affect his behaviour
He'll be (and is) hugely motivated to sign and progress the careers of players who may have faltered elsewhere; and introduce to the first team talented youngsters to see what they're made of, before resting them before they get a nosebleed - looking to ensure they develop as far as their talents can take them
He'll be doing so whilst guiding the club to heights in the league and standards of football we (you?) might previously have dreamt of and dismissed as fantasy land - and he's far from finished in that respect
Meanwhile, the club has brought Spotland back into ownership and we're in a financial position the envy of our near neighbours, and many not so near
Affect his behaviour? Too bloody right! |  |
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