| The reason why Montero isnt starting. 22:52 - Mar 21 with 5157 views | Danielswan |
This is at least my theory.
When playing a "4-2-3-1 narrow" Monk wants a midfield which is versatile and interchangeable. You could even call it a "4-1-4-1 narrow" since Ki, Siggy, Shelvey and Routledge all swap positions with each other to provide surprise and make it harder for the opponents midfield to man mark.
In the above example Cork is the only defensive pillar, Ki and Routledge provide balance ... one being more defensive (Ki) and the other offensive (Routledge).
In this tactical weirdness all 4 midfielders are assist makers and scorers, they all make the deep runs and they are all capable of making the penetrating pass. Gomis is there to pick up the breadcrums in the penalty box and assist in the buildup.
Montero is very much your typical wingert but according to Monk he probably doesnt have the needed vision and positioning to constantly change his role according to gameplay. He would most likely constantly try to seek the left flank leaving the "his" middle of the park empty.
In the above scenario waiting to the last 20 minutes of a game to sub him in makes sence, players are tired and opposition organisation is crumbling ... Montero has the pace to run deep and strike where it hurts by either assisting or scoring. He is not however capable of playing an entire game as a versatile midfielder, in Monks eyes Routledge is better suited for that role.
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| The reason why Montero isnt starting. on 22:57 - Mar 21 with 5140 views | midswan |
Pretty much agree with that Dan.Ive said similar myself before,Routs has more discipline than Jeff for the system,but what a weapon to bring on late,as per today. |  | | |
| The reason why Montero isnt starting. on 23:09 - Mar 21 with 5105 views | Danielswan |
| The reason why Montero isnt starting. on 22:57 - Mar 21 by midswan |
Pretty much agree with that Dan.Ive said similar myself before,Routs has more discipline than Jeff for the system,but what a weapon to bring on late,as per today. |
Thanks :)
Here is our current lineup without names as far as I understand it in our last games.
http://lineupbuilder.com/?sk=6ty1d
Missing two arrows up from DL and DR.
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| The reason why Montero isnt starting. on 23:36 - Mar 21 with 5036 views | LeonisGod |
| The reason why Montero isnt starting. on 23:09 - Mar 21 by Danielswan |
Thanks :)
Here is our current lineup without names as far as I understand it in our last games.
http://lineupbuilder.com/?sk=6ty1d
Missing two arrows up from DL and DR.
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Depends whether we have the ball or not. When we don't, we're playing with 2 banks of three with Siggy central and furthest forward. Gomis drops out wider on the left. It doesn't look like the classic diamond to me, more a 4330. Which is effective at flooding the midfield and stopping the opposition playing between the lines, but it gives us a lack of options going forward. |  | | |
| The reason why Montero isnt starting. on 23:40 - Mar 21 with 5018 views | Danielswan |
| The reason why Montero isnt starting. on 23:36 - Mar 21 by LeonisGod |
Depends whether we have the ball or not. When we don't, we're playing with 2 banks of three with Siggy central and furthest forward. Gomis drops out wider on the left. It doesn't look like the classic diamond to me, more a 4330. Which is effective at flooding the midfield and stopping the opposition playing between the lines, but it gives us a lack of options going forward. |
Yeah, my formation is only refering to the offensive plan ... it would look totally different defensively, actually much like you already described ... a 4-3-3-0 | |
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| The reason why Montero isnt starting. on 00:01 - Mar 22 with 4975 views | felixstowe_jack |
What is "offensive" play? Who are we offending? Do you mean Attacking Play. This is Football not that strange form of Rugby call American Football. | |
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| The reason why Montero isnt starting. on 00:13 - Mar 22 with 4948 views | Lohengrin |
Have Jeff, Leon and Nathan fallen foul of some new FIFA minimum height requirements for a starting eleven?   |  |
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| The reason why Montero isnt starting. on 00:13 - Mar 22 with 4948 views | Dyfnant |
He's paying for giving the ball away cheaply in the games after his injury. Needs to up his work rate next time he starts |  |
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| The reason why Montero isnt starting. on 05:50 - Mar 22 with 4802 views | teenspirit1009 |
He will end up leaving this club once he received an offer. He can find a spot on a starting 11 on another team. | | | |
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| The reason why Montero isnt starting. on 06:49 - Mar 22 with 4778 views | jack247 |
| The reason why Montero isnt starting. on 05:50 - Mar 22 by teenspirit1009 |
He will end up leaving this club once he received an offer. He can find a spot on a starting 11 on another team. |
I'm pretty confident he will be back in the team next season.
I agree with Dans analysis, but the main reason we are playing this way IMO is that Gomis is more effective in a front pairing. Routledge floats about and acts as a second striker when we are going forward. Montero is an out and out winger, although he is the best winger at the club, he probably isn't as capable of switching roles during games as Routledge.
I could be miles out, but the way I see it panning out is us trying to move Gomis on in the summer and replace him with a striker more suited to 433. Montero will come in for one of the CMs. | | | |
| The reason why Montero isnt starting. on 09:11 - Mar 22 with 4658 views | MattG |
Hadn't seen this thread when I posted about Montero in the matchday thread but agree with what's been said. It's also made me think that, rather than just not being all that switched on defensively, perhaps it's Montero's style of play (very much your traditional "whitewash on the boots" type of winger) that makes it more difficult for him to fulfil the defensive roles that GM has in mind.
Hopefully a solution can be found that gets him in the team a bit more. |  | | |
| The reason why Montero isnt starting. on 09:23 - Mar 22 with 4632 views | Phil_S |
| The reason why Montero isnt starting. on 05:50 - Mar 22 by teenspirit1009 |
He will end up leaving this club once he received an offer. He can find a spot on a starting 11 on another team. |
Always amuses me how we bemoan the fact that at times we have no strength in depth and we need better back up but the moment we get that better back up people proclaim he will leave soon if he doesn't get a starting spot |  | | |
| The reason why Montero isnt starting. on 09:52 - Mar 22 with 4577 views | perchrockjack |
Weirdness?
Weird
Its weird we are analysing what we are to be frank.
Weirder still to see some still looking clearly to find sticks to beat Monk with
Weird my asre | |
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| The reason why Montero isnt starting. on 10:46 - Mar 22 with 4509 views | dameedna |
I'd like to see us start with Cork, Ki, Shelvey and Siggy continue in midfield and bring on Montero and Dyer for the last 30 minutes. We should be able to keep the ball for 60 minutes and then run round a tired opposition. Not sure if it is ever going to happen and did not think I'd see the day when Leon may be a luxury. |  | | |
| The reason why Montero isnt starting. on 16:41 - Mar 22 with 4402 views | Danielswan |
Whats with all the hostility?
"Offensive" is used by many as a different term for "attacking" ... no reason to jump on this.
As for "weird", I like weird .... wasn´t in any way slating Monk, I actually happen to agree with most of his current tactical dispositions since our wingers havn´t performed well recently apart from Montero.
Oooh well ... | |
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| The reason why Montero isnt starting. on 17:09 - Mar 22 with 4373 views | Dull1Thomas |
If Taylor leaves and we bring a consistently good full back Montero won't have to defend so much. IMO Montero will be looking for a move - he's not particularly happy on or off the pitch and has been unsettled most of his career.
Shame as he is so good at what he does. | |
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| The reason why Montero isnt starting. on 20:17 - Mar 22 with 4268 views | Starsky |
| The reason why Montero isnt starting. on 17:09 - Mar 22 by Dull1Thomas |
If Taylor leaves and we bring a consistently good full back Montero won't have to defend so much. IMO Montero will be looking for a move - he's not particularly happy on or off the pitch and has been unsettled most of his career.
Shame as he is so good at what he does. |
Taylor's doing ok lately Dull one |  |
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| The reason why Montero isnt starting. on 21:20 - Mar 22 with 4218 views | monmouth |
| The reason why Montero isnt starting. on 09:23 - Mar 22 by Phil_S |
Always amuses me how we bemoan the fact that at times we have no strength in depth and we need better back up but the moment we get that better back up people proclaim he will leave soon if he doesn't get a starting spot |
And howling about the need for a plan B and then squawking when we have a serviceable and effective plan A and B. having said that I'd quite like to see plan A and B maybe reversed now and again, or plan B, which used to be plan A for a whole game even, or even plan C of getting some folk into the box when we go forward. I'm not complaining really though, what a splendid season it's been. |  |
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| The reason why Montero isnt starting. on 22:29 - Mar 22 with 4148 views | dameedna |
| The reason why Montero isnt starting. on 21:20 - Mar 22 by monmouth |
And howling about the need for a plan B and then squawking when we have a serviceable and effective plan A and B. having said that I'd quite like to see plan A and B maybe reversed now and again, or plan B, which used to be plan A for a whole game even, or even plan C of getting some folk into the box when we go forward. I'm not complaining really though, what a splendid season it's been. |
Trying to think of when we had a better Plan C.
Laudrup had three wingers playing for a while with Hernandez in the hole and Michu up front which was unplayable at times.
Taking off Siggy and Shelvey with 20 minutes to go is not easy when you are still at 0 - 0 and Villa and Delph are making good in roads.
The return of the 3 wingers and a mobile Gomis should be able to pull teams apart and with Ki and Cork behind we may also stop them scoring for 20 minutes
3 players in Routs, Dyer and Taylor have been struggling with their passing from the wings. When Routs and Dyer come inside they have more freedom to dictate play. As with Gower and Leon etc, they are fast approaching the time when they need to consider playing in midfield. Same with Emnes or a Plan B systems that allows 3 wingers to roam across the front.
Montero and Barrow are the future purist Plan A wingers for the next few seasons
Plan A Two wingers and 3 CMs.
Plan B Diamond - one winger and 4 CMs
Plan C Three Wingers and 2 CMs | | | |
| The reason why Montero isnt starting. on 22:57 - Mar 22 with 4124 views | JJJack |
| The reason why Montero isnt starting. on 09:23 - Mar 22 by Phil_S |
Always amuses me how we bemoan the fact that at times we have no strength in depth and we need better back up but the moment we get that better back up people proclaim he will leave soon if he doesn't get a starting spot |
I agree. I also find it amusing how people "know" that a player will move on and "start elsewhere". Truly, we live among psychics it seems..... |  | | |
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