| DeGuzman on 09:26 - Aug 11 with 1885 views | perchrockjack |
ridiculous price and no way he is worth that .QPR will sign him anyway as they ll offer more money |  |
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| DeGuzman on 09:28 - Aug 11 with 1878 views | waynekerr55 |
| DeGuzman on 09:26 - Aug 11 by perchrockjack |
ridiculous price and no way he is worth that .QPR will sign him anyway as they ll offer more money |
Goal scoring midfielder with a mean set piece for less than 10m - cheap as chips in today's market |  |
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| DeGuzman on 09:36 - Aug 11 with 1847 views | lidojack |
| DeGuzman on 09:28 - Aug 11 by waynekerr55 |
Goal scoring midfielder with a mean set piece for less than 10m - cheap as chips in today's market |
We have JJS and Siggy for that. It's pointless spending £7m on a similar player to the two we already have when there is a much mor urgent need for a Cb and a Cdm (and arguably a Rb) |  | | |
| DeGuzman on 09:46 - Aug 11 with 1809 views | Field_Of_Dreams_II |
Spunking £7m on the guz man is pointless when we have Britton, Ki, Shelvey & Gylfi vying for various centre mid positions.
He’s not even all that anyway. |  |
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| DeGuzman on 10:13 - Aug 11 with 1743 views | JackSomething |
At the start of the summer, I'd have said £7m for a player as good as JDG was a no-brainer. It would chafe not to get a discount having paid to loan him for two years, but that's our own fault if nothing was agreed.
Given our needs at other positions now, it's almost certainly too much money for us to spend on a position we're (relatively) strong in. Ideally we'd still get him, but it looks like the priorities for the club are the centre and left of defence, plus attack.
It doesn't help that he seemingly wanted to wait for better offers, but I don't think that would stop us signing him if his position was a priority. |  |
| You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help. |
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| DeGuzman on 10:50 - Aug 11 with 1695 views | Tom1912 |
| DeGuzman on 09:01 - Aug 11 by raynor94 |
You say we are not short of cash, but 7 million on fernandez, plus another defender and holding midfielder the cost soon shoots up |
Exactly, that's easily £20m of outgoings there. We're certainly not going to spend that much more this window.
The board effectively passed on De Guzman when they decided to keep Ki. | | | |
| DeGuzman on 11:07 - Aug 11 with 1645 views | LeonisGod |
| DeGuzman on 09:36 - Aug 11 by lidojack |
We have JJS and Siggy for that. It's pointless spending £7m on a similar player to the two we already have when there is a much mor urgent need for a Cb and a Cdm (and arguably a Rb) |
There's the problem. We've got a number of options now, although I'd personally prefer JdG over JJS or Ki. As a 'complete' midfielder, comfortable in a more defence role, more attacking or an old-fashioned box-to-box player, JdG is better than anyone we have now imo. But we won't spend that sort of money when we've got Ki, JJS, Fulton, Gylfi... |  | | |
| DeGuzman on 12:32 - Aug 11 with 1543 views | Jokeren1943 |
Sell Ki for 4-5 million and buy Guzman for 6 million.
Goo Monk |  | | |
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| DeGuzman on 13:27 - Aug 11 with 1481 views | TenkosBlondeWig |
I like JDG and think he would be a useful addition but not at £7m !! |  | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 13:47 - Aug 11 with 1444 views | ApeShit |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 08:58 - Aug 11 by SwansNZ |
Me too. Plus- if he does not want to be here, f**k him [Post edited 11 Aug 2014 8:59]
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He probably wants to be wherever he can get the best deal.
Exactly like every one of our players. |  | | |
| DeGuzman on 14:14 - Aug 11 with 1405 views | karnataka |
I'd be disappointed if we don't get him back. I think he's been one of our most important players while he's been here. IMO he's worth £7m to us as well because, like Leon, he's the oil in our engine, an oil we most definitely didn't have in the team against Villareal. |  | | |
| DeGuzman on 14:55 - Aug 11 with 1362 views | llareggub |
a set piece specialist ..............ha ha ha ha ha ha
its a big no from me john de guzman farts about doing nothing making no impression on a game , he plays for himself not for the team ........definitely not a swansea player  | | | |
| DeGuzman on 14:57 - Aug 11 with 1359 views | monmouth |
| DeGuzman on 10:50 - Aug 11 by Tom1912 |
Exactly, that's easily £20m of outgoings there. We're certainly not going to spend that much more this window.
The board effectively passed on De Guzman when they decided to keep Ki. |
"The board effectively passed on De Guzman when they decided to keep Ki."
Indeed. Choice already made. Wisdom...doubtful imo. |  |
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| DeGuzman on 15:10 - Aug 11 with 1314 views | ApeShit |
| DeGuzman on 14:55 - Aug 11 by llareggub |
a set piece specialist ..............ha ha ha ha ha ha
its a big no from me john de guzman farts about doing nothing making no impression on a game , he plays for himself not for the team ........definitely not a swansea player |
Didn't he have the most assists last season?
*That means setting up goals for other players on the team.
And I wouldn't call him a "set-piece specialist", more like the ONLY person on our team last season who could take a decent corner/freekick. | | | |
| DeGuzman on 15:15 - Aug 11 with 1301 views | tomdickharry |
Our fiscal policy will not allow 2 more signing in the "Swans De Lux Range"
Fernandez and DeGuzman. | | | |
| DeGuzman on 15:22 - Aug 11 with 1269 views | Shaky |
| DeGuzman on 15:15 - Aug 11 by tomdickharry |
Our fiscal policy will not allow 2 more signing in the "Swans De Lux Range"
Fernandez and DeGuzman. |
Fiscal policy isn't quite the right term there TDH, but I take your point.
Makes you wonder how much Laudrup really did walk off with, if the club is that strapped for cash. |  |
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| DeGuzman on 15:34 - Aug 11 with 1240 views | Tom1912 |
| DeGuzman on 15:22 - Aug 11 by Shaky |
Fiscal policy isn't quite the right term there TDH, but I take your point.
Makes you wonder how much Laudrup really did walk off with, if the club is that strapped for cash. |
Why does not spending £7m on a player in a position we are already covered in mean we are strapped for cash?
If we make the signings that we are suggesting we will, our net spend could easily hit £20m once you factor in signing on fees-a similar level to last season's summer window. And far above the previous summer where we must have finished the window in profit, given we had £27m in for Rodgers, Allen and Sinclair.
I know the TV money has gone up but so has the wage structure and most importantly, we will be continuing to invest in the club's infrastructure.
I would also suggest we didn't seem to have any spare funds last January despite there being obvious problems in the squad that needed fixing. Maybe we have learned a lesson there and are keen to put ourselves in a position where we could make a decent signing if needed. | | | |
| DeGuzman on 15:49 - Aug 11 with 1209 views | Shaky |
| DeGuzman on 15:34 - Aug 11 by Tom1912 |
Why does not spending £7m on a player in a position we are already covered in mean we are strapped for cash?
If we make the signings that we are suggesting we will, our net spend could easily hit £20m once you factor in signing on fees-a similar level to last season's summer window. And far above the previous summer where we must have finished the window in profit, given we had £27m in for Rodgers, Allen and Sinclair.
I know the TV money has gone up but so has the wage structure and most importantly, we will be continuing to invest in the club's infrastructure.
I would also suggest we didn't seem to have any spare funds last January despite there being obvious problems in the squad that needed fixing. Maybe we have learned a lesson there and are keen to put ourselves in a position where we could make a decent signing if needed. |
Sorry, buy I don't see any real strength in depth in midfield, and believe £7million is a fair - nay attractive - price for JDG given his known worth to the team.
As for the rest of your post there are a lot of unknown variables but even allowing for that I am having trouble getting close to your £20m net spend. | |
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| DeGuzman on 16:04 - Aug 11 with 1183 views | Tom1912 |
| DeGuzman on 15:49 - Aug 11 by Shaky |
Sorry, buy I don't see any real strength in depth in midfield, and believe £7million is a fair - nay attractive - price for JDG given his known worth to the team.
As for the rest of your post there are a lot of unknown variables but even allowing for that I am having trouble getting close to your £20m net spend. |
It's a defensive player the midfield needs, and De Guzman isn't that. We have Shelvey and Ki who will play the more central role that De Guzman would fill. £7m is a fair price for JDG though I agree and I'd have preferred to move Ki on and replace him with JDG but that doesn't look like an option now.
As for the spend, I'm expecting us to spend £7-£8m replacing Chico, and a further £7-£8m on a defensive midfielder and full back. That's £15m out, and I'd be surprised if our net spend to date was less than £5m, seeing as we've done such poor business on outgoing players. If we get to the start of September and haven't spent decent money on bringing in a DM, full back and CB I'll concede things are a lot tighter than I thought. | | | |
| DeGuzman on 16:05 - Aug 11 with 1177 views | londonlisa2001 |
| DeGuzman on 15:49 - Aug 11 by Shaky |
Sorry, buy I don't see any real strength in depth in midfield, and believe £7million is a fair - nay attractive - price for JDG given his known worth to the team.
As for the rest of your post there are a lot of unknown variables but even allowing for that I am having trouble getting close to your £20m net spend. |
I think we need a defensively minded midfielder more than we need JDG who is not good in that position.
I like JDG but given that we seem to be keeping Ki, he would not be my priority at this point. Siggy is a better playmaker than him (in my opinion) and we have cover in that position as well with Emnes. With Shelvey & Ki as the 'middle' one of the three (plus possibly Fulton) then I think we need a back up / real challenge to Britton rather than another 'utility' midfielder, however good they may be. | | | |
| DeGuzman on 16:06 - Aug 11 with 1168 views | Shaky |
| DeGuzman on 16:04 - Aug 11 by Tom1912 |
It's a defensive player the midfield needs, and De Guzman isn't that. We have Shelvey and Ki who will play the more central role that De Guzman would fill. £7m is a fair price for JDG though I agree and I'd have preferred to move Ki on and replace him with JDG but that doesn't look like an option now.
As for the spend, I'm expecting us to spend £7-£8m replacing Chico, and a further £7-£8m on a defensive midfielder and full back. That's £15m out, and I'd be surprised if our net spend to date was less than £5m, seeing as we've done such poor business on outgoing players. If we get to the start of September and haven't spent decent money on bringing in a DM, full back and CB I'll concede things are a lot tighter than I thought. |
" . . .I'd be surprised if our net spend to date was less than £5m, seeing as we've done such poor business on outgoing players. "
Agreed, and the last bit is clearly a huge issue. | |
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| DeGuzman on 16:08 - Aug 11 with 1155 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| DeGuzman on 09:05 - Aug 11 by MrSwerve |
5 mill is probably the fair price, but They know that we would ideally have him back.
JdG would be in our starting XI this weekend if he was here. |
You have to be joking, he hasn't played or trained for a month.
A few of our guys who have been training didn't look that on the ball on Saturday and you think we would play someone who isn't even in trainig? | | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 20:50 - Aug 11 with 1063 views | SwansNZ |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 13:47 - Aug 11 by ApeShit |
He probably wants to be wherever he can get the best deal.
Exactly like every one of our players. |
Every one of our players is a Swansea City player, so I have no problem with any of them, and I dare say, some could get a better deal elsewhere, if they really wanted.
If JDG would rather look for a better deal elsewhere, that’s fine - f**k him |  |
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| DeGuzman on 20:59 - Aug 11 with 1050 views | Jokeren1943 |
By signing Gylfi and returning Ki (and Monk saying he want to give him (Ki) a new contract - Guzman can very well be afraid that he with Monk as manager, will spent the most of the time on the bench in the new season). | | | |
| DeGuzman on 21:00 - Aug 11 with 1050 views | Swan91 |
I would rather spend the money on a cb CDM and RB. 7 million is just too much, that 7 million would bring in a highly rated player from Napoli to fill a position that needs to be filled. If we bring in JDG then we have 3 players to fill 1 position and would still need to get a cb, RB and CDM. Doesn't make sense.
Looks to me that we were going to keep loaning JDG until he runs out of contract so that villareal get their loan fees and don't have to pay and we would get him. But now another team has become interested JDG is looking at his options. Swansea couldn't wait for him to make a decision and still need to keep looking at other midfielders so that if he did choose another club, we wouldn't be left with no other options. | | | |
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