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Saints V Watford The Verdict
Sunday, 10th Sep 2017 09:20

It is hard to dress up this awful performance, but it is early days yet and hopefully we wil put this right in the coming weeks.

About the only good thing that you can say about this game is that Watfod were not much better and won it with two strikes from distance that could have gone anywhere, but that is no excuse.

The fact is that although Saints looked better defensively and didn't give Watford the chances that they had done in previous games, going forward we looked disjointed and stuggled to find any pattern to our play.

Indeed we looked comfortable before Watford scored out of nowhere just before the break, up till then Saints didn't look like conceding although they did not look like scoring either.

That being the case when Watford added a second just after the hour most in the ground thought that was that.

Mauricio Pellegrino could not be accused of not being creative with his team selection, he put out a team to attack, leaving Lemina on the bench and putting in Boufal, he clearly wanted to take the game to Watford rather than let them come on to us and in some respects it worked in that Oriol Romeu could control the midfield and the back four looked solid with Wesley Hoedt making his debut,but going forward we were woeful.

No one seemed able to create chances, we were too lightweight and could not get the ball to Gabbiadini to even give him a chance of scoring and it was to be the last minute of the game before we got a shot on target.

Shane Long livened things up when he came on with 20 minutes to go, as did Charlie Austin, but it was a case of too little too late and by then the game was lost and the pattern set, a goal then might have set up a grandstand finish, but we never looked like getting it.

Some of the crowd are mumbling about Pellegrino being no better than Puel, that is unfair, it is still early days yet, perhaps just the mention of Puel should warn us to be patient and give the manager a chance, last season the die was cast for far too many fans too early and this lead to unrest.

The reality is that perhaps Saints are better set up to win games in which they can sit back and go on the break, indeed this has been the situation for the past few years, we would sit back and catch teams on the back foot after winning the ball and getting it forward quickly, sides like Watford dont get caught like that, they sit back and look to catch you out.

So from this viewpoint I think as the season progresses we will win games against team in this fashion, esecially as the manager finds his feet and what is his best formation and selections etc.

But one lesson I think he needs to learn is the one that Puel did not, that is to find the best team and use the bulk of it as your foundations rather than chop and change it, although Pellegrino was brave to try the likes of Boufal, he would have been better to have stuck with the tried and trusted, Boufal showed nothing n his last game in the cup against Wolves to suggest he deserved a Premier League start.

We have to put this one behind us dust ourselves down and look to get three points at Palace, some will say im glossing over the cracks and I should be ranting about what is going wrong, there is plenty of that going on elsewhere and if 45 years of watching Saints has taught be anything it is to be patient and don't panic everytime we suffer a setback, history shows us that if we do that then everything usually comes right.

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BoondockSaint added 02:27 - Sep 11
Watching Newcastle v Swansea and the announcer said of Swansea "You can't sell your best players every year and not expect problems." I was shocked he didn't add, "Like Southampton."!

The loser mentality of Les and the board (and Eric Black) has infected the team.

These players (and any others that we try to bring in ) are not given the impression that the Saints are a team you want to come to and contribute to. That we are a project that will get stronger every year and achieve something. We are seen as a development team providing a career path to teams that want to compete in this league.

No wonder big name managers and players (no slight to Pellegrino) quickly turn us down as soon as they are mention in the press. They are not going to risk their reputation at a team happy finish mid table or lower. We only get the ones that think a couple of good games and its off to Scouseland.

SaintBrock: I think you have it the wrong way around:
Row upon row of empty seats with plenty of time to go must is because the FANS think, oh sod it if that lot aren't bothered why the riddles should we?
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skiptonsaint added 08:44 - Sep 11
Another way of looking at this is ...a set of players who played brilliantly in a cup final and lost ujustly just haven't been the same since (bar Watford away). Now they are all being labelled as not
good enough. I would like to see what they are like after putting a decent run together because that missing confidence will make a difference. The problem is this was the set of fixtures (and new manager bounce) to do it and that is why the fans turned so badly Saturday. We have blown a major opportunity. It was not just a bad day at the office but a very important match lost for me. I can't now see where the run comes from now unless it is a VVD bounce. In which case he holds a lot of cards.
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aceofthebase added 10:27 - Sep 11
I like your team TeamCortese, however, we would have to be very clever to sneak thirteen players onto the pitch without anyone noticing!
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bstokesaint added 12:52 - Sep 11
Ace, I thought that too but then figured it was one from Stephens/VVD/Hoedt. I've got to be honest though, I genuinely think even with a 7-man defence we'd still fail to win at the moment.
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REEDYREEDOREEDZ added 13:08 - Sep 11
skiptonsaint above makes a really good point above that this is the same team/squad that played so well in the League Cup final last year, and showed determination and passion to come from 2 down to almost win it. When it comes to ability, I think we have enough in the squad to be ok and be a top half team. Our squad is better this year compared to last year. What's missing is the determination and passion. There's something very wrong in the dressing room. Maybe the players haven't taken to Pellegrino. They aren't motivated and aren't pulling together as a team. It looks like the rot has already set in and Pellegrino could find himself in trouble if/when we lose to Palace next weekend. As it stands I can't see him turning it around in time to save his job.
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ped added 16:02 - Sep 11
I am no manager, but I have watched saints since 1966. and the nearest line up to a team that might score goals, while being fluent and solid is

forster or mcarthy
cedric hoedt stephens vvd Bertrand in a 5
romeu lemina
long gabbiadini
Austin
but what do I know?

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helpineedsomebody added 11:44 - Sep 12
when the ugly 1st started many years ago it was RADICAL now you have run out of alternatives this is not helping the club

its like the house of commons you need a good opposition party to put alternative ideas across .

its being constructed/ not destructed
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