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Reply | Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 18:59 17 Jan 2025
I don't think that's where we differ.
The concerns around various community sensitivities must not happen. Any perpetrator of child abuse must be brought to account, but I'd suggest it's an incredibly difficult thing to prove and there's an element of reluctance in offending people in all cases whether they are catholic priests, teachers or Pakistani Muslims.
The call for an inquiry is based in racism. Let's be honest it was jumped on by Elon Musk the racist Reform and "Tommy Robinson" billionaire and subsequently by Kemi Badenoch and then went viral. Despite her political party refusing exactly the same thing just months previously and doing nothing to implement recommendations of previous inquiries. It happened to try and gain right wing votes. We've subsequently seen child rape be referred to as a Muslim practice in this thread.
Despite it occurring in localised areas with considerably fewer victims than other forms of abuse. I don't think a full inquiry would give much bang for the buck.
Then we had Darren Millar inflaming / inciting the situation. It's different. He abused the rules of FMQ's knowing exactly the reaction he'd get from the right wing social media goons. He knew what he was doing. It was disgusting behaviour deliberately designed to attract reform voters and get social media likes. Another dog whistle.
People don't understand how he should have behaved so jump on the "censoring" bandwagon. He wasn't censored, he was called to the order he should have respected. |
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Reply | Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 15:48 17 Jan 2025
But to ask a question you don't need to be overly prescreptive and unless the victim knew Darren Miller was going to ask that particular question and state what had hapened to her he was being disrespectful and disclosing personal information.
That's what he was being pulled up on.
It could have inflamed / incited discrimination - we have seen it in this thread. The Tories would be well advised to let this go as they have no moral high ground to take, but that isn't what they are trying to do. They are trying to take votes from Reform by using abused children.
Ultimately this wasn't a debate, it wasn't a motion raised by an Assembly Member. It was a deliberately misused slot at FMQ's. It's possible Darren Millar knew what would happen and he knew the rules. He knew he'd be stopped by going on this rant and that is possibly exactly the hornets nest he wanted to kick.
This entire episode is shameful to British politics. |
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Reply | Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 13:53 17 Jan 2025
I think there a couple of issues here. It was first minister questions, and Darren Millar took a long time (150 secs and several prompts) to get around to asking his question. His "speech" broke the principle FMQ rule of being brief, clearly worded and specific. It's also arguable that he used offensive language, expresseed a point of view and disclosed personal information.
However when challenged he said "he was stating facts" to which the Llwydd replied "no you're not".
I don't think that was the best reply from her.
However, he wasn't being censored, just being asked to abide by the rules. [Post edited 17 Jan 15:35]
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Reply | Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 12:05 15 Jan 2025
It makes no difference what colour the incumbent party in Westminster or the relevant authorities where.
I'm not a Labour voter. I have no political affiliation. I can just see straight through BS. |
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Reply | Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 12:04 15 Jan 2025
No the Tories calling for a public inquiry that they've already refused on the back of Elon Musk's comments is a racist dog whistle.
What's Kemi Badenoch said about it since that was revelaed? She looks like an utter fool.
I'm sickened by it. It's completly disgusting. But I'm even more sickened by racists using the abuse of children to further their cause. That is what's happening. And it's happening in this thread. |
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Reply | Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 09:57 15 Jan 2025
But there's been inquiries in to exactly that, several at a local level and an overarching national one, which pointed out far bigger problems - nobody is bothered about those though, beacuse we want to protect children from evil muslims but they're fair game to clergy men and grown men pretending to be teenage girls on facebook.
We know the issue, what's the point in spaffing another £200 million up the wall to discover exactly the same thing?
The Tories (Amanda Solloway) previously turned down the same request from the same council, so I expect Kemi B will stop banging this particular drum soon. Perhaps we should ask what Oldham council have to hide?
If we want to indentify the actual people responsible, and we do, then we need a local inquiry, if they've broken the law we need a trial.
This entire thing is a racist dog whistle. I can't believe people are falling for it. |
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Reply | Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 13:16 14 Jan 2025
There is no way to come to the Uk with a visa and claim asylum. Basically you have to come here illegally.
Asylum seekers are not illegal. We need to process them and get shot of those who aren't entitled to be here asap.
This happened very slowly under the Tories. It's improved since |
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Reply | Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 10:56 14 Jan 2025
As I said most aren't halal, you mentioned fast food, that includes McDonalds and Burger King.
Subway Halal is stunned before slaughter. It's not an issue unless you don't eat meat at all. Or don't like muslim practices. |
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Reply | Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 10:35 14 Jan 2025
I was referring to the KFC alone.
Still 65% of halal meet is stunned before slaughter.
0% of Kosher meat is. That doesn't seem to be a problem though.
I'm also not ignoring the rape gang problem. But I just think we should deal with the biggest problem first, which is clearly the internet. And the perfect guy to move us closer to eliminating interent abuse seems to have developed an interest in protecting children all of a sudden. I do wonder why he's turned a blind eye to it. [Post edited 14 Jan 10:42]
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Reply | Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 10:33 14 Jan 2025
Illegal immigrants don't get benefits.
Your life depends on immigrants working in all aspects of the economy whether they are brain surgeons, foreign students supplementing universities who train them or even minimum wage stadium concession workers paying their NI contributions or VAT on the stuff they are selling. They don't need to train for 5 years to flip a rubbery burger but there is nobody else willing to do it.
They don't work cash in hand either. |
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Reply | Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 10:03 14 Jan 2025
Well it's very similar to the Jewish Kosher process so I don't think it's fair to single out Halal, but the majority is stunned before slaughter nowadays so I don't have a problem with that.
If it's stunned not I do. [Post edited 14 Jan 10:04]
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Reply | Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 21:36 13 Jan 2025
They do abide by the laws of the land, if they don't they get punished in the same way as you or I would.
Have you thought why they don't want to integrate? Do you want to integrate with them?
If you were a Pakistani Muslim would you go to the Swansea.com stadium after reading this thread? If you were a Carribbean immigrant in the 70's would you have gone to the vetch? |
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