| Mass murder in Kenya 07:25 - Sep 22 with 22924 views | loftboy |
All in the name of that peacefull religion again |  |
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| Mass murder in Kenya on 20:44 - Sep 22 with 1797 views | exiled_dictator |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 20:28 - Sep 22 by HollowayRanger |
agreed
i dont think people of any other faith would do something as evil as 9/11 |
You know Holloway, you're right; the Nazis didn't do religion, did they.
Was Rwanda a genocide? 500,000 Tutsis murdered by the Hutus.
What about Srebrenica? Not enough for you at merely 8,000?
Surely Cambodia with an estimated 1.7 million deaths.
Surely Darfur is worth a mention.
As is North Korea where millions starved to death by Dictators.
Every one of these incidents killed more than 9/11. Cannot vouch for who was more evil, but that's not really the point, is it?
Holloway, for a man who works in a library, you are extremely ignorant. |  |
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| Mass murder in Kenya on 20:53 - Sep 22 with 1788 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 20:28 - Sep 22 by HollowayRanger |
agreed
i dont think people of any other faith would do something as evil as 9/11 |
Stop it.
Was Hitler a Muslim? Nixon? Bush? Milosevic? |  |
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| Mass murder in Kenya on 20:54 - Sep 22 with 1784 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Beat me to it, ED. | |
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| Mass murder in Kenya on 21:16 - Sep 22 with 1751 views | baz_qpr |
Well said. The evil isn't the religion, its `fundamentalism, and they come as Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Hindus, Communists and Facists and many other flavours and nearly all wars / atrocities are caused by these brainwashed imbeciles and sadly they hold a lot of power in the world still! |  | | |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 21:31 - Sep 22 with 1732 views | kysersosaqpr |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 21:16 - Sep 22 by baz_qpr |
Well said. The evil isn't the religion, its `fundamentalism, and they come as Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Hindus, Communists and Facists and many other flavours and nearly all wars / atrocities are caused by these brainwashed imbeciles and sadly they hold a lot of power in the world still! |
I repeat.... "I thank god every day that he made me an atheist". |  |
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| Mass murder in Kenya on 21:32 - Sep 22 with 1729 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 21:31 - Sep 22 by kysersosaqpr |
I repeat.... "I thank god every day that he made me an atheist". |
Milosevic was atheist, I think? | |
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| Mass murder in Kenya on 21:44 - Sep 22 with 1712 views | HollowayRanger |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 20:44 - Sep 22 by exiled_dictator |
You know Holloway, you're right; the Nazis didn't do religion, did they.
Was Rwanda a genocide? 500,000 Tutsis murdered by the Hutus.
What about Srebrenica? Not enough for you at merely 8,000?
Surely Cambodia with an estimated 1.7 million deaths.
Surely Darfur is worth a mention.
As is North Korea where millions starved to death by Dictators.
Every one of these incidents killed more than 9/11. Cannot vouch for who was more evil, but that's not really the point, is it?
Holloway, for a man who works in a library, you are extremely ignorant. |
you forgot to include the irish potato famine |  |
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| Mass murder in Kenya on 21:48 - Sep 22 with 1709 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 21:44 - Sep 22 by HollowayRanger |
you forgot to include the irish potato famine |
The British Islamic Forced Starvation of the Poor Irish you mean. | |
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| Mass murder in Kenya on 21:55 - Sep 22 with 1691 views | HollowayRanger |
its people who kill not religons
but yes FOR ME 9/11 was the most evil
it didnt kill the most ,id guess hitler would win the burn in hell prize for that ,but just the idea of using civilian passenger planes full of innocent families as human missiles to destroy tower blocks full of people makes that my most evil deed
and as far as i know only one group/faith call it what you will has ever done that | |
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| Mass murder in Kenya on 22:03 - Sep 22 with 1681 views | stevec |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 09:53 - Sep 22 by exiled_dictator |
In it's true interpretation, Islam is a peaceful religion.
The problem is that there are so many interpretations of what the Quran actually says, that any group of people can stand up and commit mass-murdering atrocities all in the name of Islam.
What a total load of hogwash.
DO NOT MAKE THE MISTAKE THAT ALL MUSLIMS ARE LIKE THIS.
They are not. There is a tiny small minority of Muslims who we refer to as mosquitoes; they like to buzz very loudly and cause trouble.
Trust me on this one, the majority of Muslims are honest working, good law abiding people. What you have seen in Kenya is al-Shabab Somali militants, an incredibly radical extreme group of Muslims who want to take over a particular part of East Africa. They are another tentacle of Al Qaeda, under the influence of radical clerics in Afghanistan & Iraq, ultimately controlled by Ayman al-Zawahiri.
Again, they might represent a particular thought within Islam, but it does not represent the majority of us.
Your brush is far too fat to include all Muslims with your brush strokes.
It's like saying that all Christians are like Pastor Terry Jones, and this is clearly not the case. Or is it? |
I think most of us accept what you say but you are missing the point. Islam is now representing itself through political parties. How long before that happens in this country and I would put this to you. If Muslims became a sizeable percentage of our population and form a governable political party, if they advocated Islamic beliefs such as British women wearing the Burka, would Muslims refuse to support such a party?
In fact, exiled, what would your position be? |  | | |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 22:04 - Sep 22 with 1675 views | CiderwithRsie |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 21:32 - Sep 22 by BrianMcCarthy |
Milosevic was atheist, I think? |
Possibly, I'm not sure, but there's a strong religious element to the wars in former Yugoslavia. When a load of Orthodox Serbs massacred several thousand Muslims in Serbenica its hard to totally ignore the religious element, especially as ethnically a Bosnian Muslim is essentially a Serb whose ancestors converted.
In fairness to the Serbs they were on the receiving end of massacres by Croats and Muslims during WW@ and to a lesser extent during the Yugoslav wars. | | | |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 22:06 - Sep 22 with 1671 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 22:04 - Sep 22 by CiderwithRsie |
Possibly, I'm not sure, but there's a strong religious element to the wars in former Yugoslavia. When a load of Orthodox Serbs massacred several thousand Muslims in Serbenica its hard to totally ignore the religious element, especially as ethnically a Bosnian Muslim is essentially a Serb whose ancestors converted.
In fairness to the Serbs they were on the receiving end of massacres by Croats and Muslims during WW@ and to a lesser extent during the Yugoslav wars. |
Apologies, I'm atheist myself, but I was being facetious. | |
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| Mass murder in Kenya on 22:08 - Sep 22 with 1666 views | DaiHo0p |
Those 90m would have killed much more though.. |  | | |
| Mass murder in enya on 22:10 - Sep 22 with 1665 views | Deano19766 |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 10:05 - Sep 22 by BrianMcCarthy |
"In it's true interpretation, Islam is a peaceful religion. "
Always worth remembering. |
The problem is that is that it is open to interpretation. Just because you say it is a true interpretation, does that mean you are correct? The nutters who have killed all these people believe their interpretation is correct. Why are you right and they are wrong? I'm not saying they are right of course, just that they believe they are, as do you.
A ban would be the best solution until all factions learn to behave themselves, And that includes all religion......although Islam seems to be the one causing all the problems worldwide at the moment and has been for some time....... | | | |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 22:10 - Sep 22 with 1665 views | baz_qpr |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 22:03 - Sep 22 by stevec |
I think most of us accept what you say but you are missing the point. Islam is now representing itself through political parties. How long before that happens in this country and I would put this to you. If Muslims became a sizeable percentage of our population and form a governable political party, if they advocated Islamic beliefs such as British women wearing the Burka, would Muslims refuse to support such a party?
In fact, exiled, what would your position be? |
Most muslims in muslim countries with democracy don't vote for such parties and when they do come into place they have to temper their policies or seek the rathe of the people, see Turkey or Egypt.
And given muslims make up 4.8% of the entire population of the UK i.e less than 1 in 20 and given there are multiple flavours of islam such as Christianity the likelhood of what you suggest is so small its hardly worth considering really | | | |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 22:11 - Sep 22 with 1661 views | Maggsinho |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 22:03 - Sep 22 by stevec |
I think most of us accept what you say but you are missing the point. Islam is now representing itself through political parties. How long before that happens in this country and I would put this to you. If Muslims became a sizeable percentage of our population and form a governable political party, if they advocated Islamic beliefs such as British women wearing the Burka, would Muslims refuse to support such a party?
In fact, exiled, what would your position be? |
In the 2011 census Muslims formed 4.8% of the population, I'd suggest there's some way to go before your scenario happens. |  | | |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 22:15 - Sep 22 with 1651 views | timcocking |
Islam is so utterly ridiculous, i can't even be bothered to express what i think about it, not worth the grief i'd get for stating the obvious.
Female circumcision indeed, give me strength.
Ps You can include anybody who takes any religion too seriously in that comment. [Post edited 22 Sep 2013 22:22]
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| Mass murder in Kenya on 22:19 - Sep 22 with 1629 views | HollowayRanger |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 22:11 - Sep 22 by Maggsinho |
In the 2011 census Muslims formed 4.8% of the population, I'd suggest there's some way to go before your scenario happens. |
id say by 2100 they will be at 30-40% of population
sadly i'll be long gone
bit like man going into space gutted im going to miss so much lifes just like reading a few pages fron a book you get the general idea you might even get to read a good bit but you dont get to read the whole book | |
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| Mass murder in Kenya on 22:22 - Sep 22 with 1623 views | Deano19766 |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 10:08 - Sep 22 by Juzzie |
Exiled,don't worry. I think most people know that in it's purest form it's peaceful and that it's a minority that twist it for their own evil intentions but as someone said on another thread, people are getting tired of hearing muslim this, muslim that every time they turn n the news. |
That was me, a man who has been to large Muslim areas of India watching England play cricket, and also to Bangladesh for the same reason, which of course is a Muslim country. Had a great time in both and thoroughly enjoyed the company of the locals. But it does get rather tiresome in this country when the news is dominated by religion, and it is always Muslims. And the world news is dominated by the same religion, with people committing atrocities supposedly on behalf of said religion. There comes a time when you have to say enough is enough, for the greater good...........surely it is not coincidence that said religion seems to be involved in all of these problems....doesn't there come a time when coincidence stops playing a part????. | | | |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 22:22 - Sep 22 with 1622 views | stevec |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 22:10 - Sep 22 by baz_qpr |
Most muslims in muslim countries with democracy don't vote for such parties and when they do come into place they have to temper their policies or seek the rathe of the people, see Turkey or Egypt.
And given muslims make up 4.8% of the entire population of the UK i.e less than 1 in 20 and given there are multiple flavours of islam such as Christianity the likelhood of what you suggest is so small its hardly worth considering really |
Wasn't suggesting there was a likelihood of it happening here (though give it 30 years). It was more a case of pointing out that Religion is such a powerful force that there is a good chance that moderate Muslims will feel railroaded into following a political party that represents its religion.
Your example of Egypt is hardly reassuring. | | | |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 22:30 - Sep 22 with 1612 views | Deano19766 |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 11:09 - Sep 22 by SpiritofGregory |
Why they have to go to other countries and cause trouble and wind people up is beyond me? Don't understand why Muslims can't just live in their Islamic countries where they can practice their religion how they like. |
But when they do they end up fighting eachother (Sunni v Shia, etc). Still a peaceful religion of course.........
Sounds to me like the whole thing is lead by a load of religious 'leaders' who couldn't give a flying about religion itself and are just interested power and money.........no surely not???
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| Mass murder in Kenya on 22:43 - Sep 22 with 1597 views | loftboy |
BBC news calling them militants, they used to call striking union members that, why can't they call them what they are, murdering terrorists. | |
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| Mass murder in Kenya on 08:44 - Sep 23 with 2090 views | Charlie1 |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 21:31 - Sep 22 by kysersosaqpr |
I repeat.... "I thank god every day that he made me an atheist". |
These people commiting these crimes are nutters.
Nothing to do with religion.
I hope the SAS goes in with the Kenyan army and crosses the borders into Somalia. |  |
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| Mass murder in Kenya on 09:03 - Sep 23 with 2064 views | doogi55 |
the poblem with democracy in muslim countries they get voted in and only goevrn for muslims and not the whaole country hence what happened in eygpt.
religion is just another excuse used to justify killing to get power and rich. | | | |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 09:05 - Sep 23 with 2061 views | hoopstilidie |
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