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Equality? Not if it involves SWP 19:31 - Dec 16 with 4485 viewsTonto

Apologies for yet another SWP thread. But some of the crap typed on here about him has got to start.

In the last home game, SWP missed a one on one. People on this board lambasted him. Mackie misses a much easier one on one yesterday, but he gets his name sung straight after the miss. Fair? Nope.

SWP put in a good shift yesterday. But I've read posts stating he was a "passenger" for most of the game. Utter boollocks of course, but because its SWP hes fair game.

I hate the way that Rangers fans have to have a boo boy. We have wrecked the careers of potentially good players who didn't have the confidence to beat the boo boys. Kevin McLeod stands out - a young winger who could have gone on to better things but was booed out of Loftus Road for "not being Dave Thomas" despite being aged 20.

I dont expect you to stop, and I expect people to come on here and tell me how wrong I am. But then again, its one of the main reasons I post on here less and less...


Why stop now, just when I'm hating it
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Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 14:06 - Dec 17 with 812 viewsklr

Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 14:03 - Dec 17 by Antti_Heinola

Yeah, I don't think I 'need' to explain anything to you, mate. It's pretty self-explanatory.


No, I think this "talent" is something that needs explaining cos I and several others certainly cant see what it f*cking is.
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Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 14:09 - Dec 17 with 808 viewsShotKneesHoop

Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 14:06 - Dec 17 by klr

No, I think this "talent" is something that needs explaining cos I and several others certainly cant see what it f*cking is.


It's the same as reality shows like "Britain's got talent" which only demonstrates that there isn't any.

Talent = celebrity bollox.
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Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 14:42 - Dec 17 with 796 viewsDylanP

He is an attacking player who cannot score and a wide player who cannot cross. Is it any wonder he gets a lot of crap?

I think he had a better game than usual yesterday. As you said, he worked hard and put in some good defensive work. However, he is not a defender. If all he is going to contribute is defensive, then perhaps he should be starting in defense. However, he doesn't. He starts in a similar role to the one Mackie usually has (not Saturday, obviously). He is a attacking winger. However, his crossing is non-existant and he hasn't scored a Prem goal for us in over a season with the club. If your bin man came round every week for a year but never actually took the rubbish away, don't you think some people in the neighborhood would give him a ahard time too?

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Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 15:32 - Dec 17 with 776 viewsQPunkR

I strongly get the feeling the OP was on a wind up.

And if not - get a clue. Mackie/Shite-Phillips? No comparison

Shit but local

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Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 15:40 - Dec 17 with 770 viewsJonDoeman

Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 15:32 - Dec 17 by QPunkR

I strongly get the feeling the OP was on a wind up.

And if not - get a clue. Mackie/Shite-Phillips? No comparison


I thought it was a strange OP given the reception he got coming off.
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Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 19:18 - Dec 17 with 738 viewsderbyhoop

Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 20:09 - Dec 16 by Suffolk

Can any of the SWP hate mob remind me during which game he did not give 100%? Please don't reply if you are going to come out with the usual shite about misplaced passes, poor crosses, high wages and lack of goals as that can be levelled at most of the squad. He has not hit the heights of his prime but he is not deserving of the moronic assault levelled at him by many on this board. The person best placed to be his judge and jury is HR.
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I've been highly critical of SWP but am perfectly willing to acknowledge it hasn't been for lack of effort. I don't think he is, any longer, good enough for the PL and the number of good games (out of 40 odd) he's had for us can be counted in single figures. As far as I can tell, Saturday was one of the good ones. His defensive work helped with the overall balance of the side and if Harry thinks SWP is the best player to provide that balance, all well and good.
By comparison, Mackie is barely a PL standard player. But every so often he does something to make us think he is better than the reality. He's chipped in with a reasonable goal return and his effort never dims. PL defenders should know they are NEVER going to get an easy ride off Mackie. But Saturday was a bad miss and he's also missed chances at Arsenal and Sunderland caused by a lack of polish in his finishing skills.

In an ideal world, we'd want better wide midfielders than either SWP or Mackie. But that will take time and is dependent on establishing a long term place in the PL.

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Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 19:33 - Dec 17 with 727 viewsTacticalR

I can't say I've seen the renaissance others claim to have seen. Still gave the ball away, but looked a bit better in a more withdrawn role (so he had fewer opportunities to blast the ball towards the goal).

The main thing was that he was one of the players who drew the opposition away from Taarabt.

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Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 19:34 - Dec 17 with 726 viewsklr

Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 19:18 - Dec 17 by derbyhoop

I've been highly critical of SWP but am perfectly willing to acknowledge it hasn't been for lack of effort. I don't think he is, any longer, good enough for the PL and the number of good games (out of 40 odd) he's had for us can be counted in single figures. As far as I can tell, Saturday was one of the good ones. His defensive work helped with the overall balance of the side and if Harry thinks SWP is the best player to provide that balance, all well and good.
By comparison, Mackie is barely a PL standard player. But every so often he does something to make us think he is better than the reality. He's chipped in with a reasonable goal return and his effort never dims. PL defenders should know they are NEVER going to get an easy ride off Mackie. But Saturday was a bad miss and he's also missed chances at Arsenal and Sunderland caused by a lack of polish in his finishing skills.

In an ideal world, we'd want better wide midfielders than either SWP or Mackie. But that will take time and is dependent on establishing a long term place in the PL.


Its not dependent on anything, we could do what the other teams do; go out & buy a couple of wingers.

Spend five minutes studying passing & cross completion rates, its hardly rocket science & yet somehow we ended up signing Shaun Wright-Phillips.

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Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 21:00 - Dec 17 with 711 viewsTW_R

Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 19:34 - Dec 17 by klr

Its not dependent on anything, we could do what the other teams do; go out & buy a couple of wingers.

Spend five minutes studying passing & cross completion rates, its hardly rocket science & yet somehow we ended up signing Shaun Wright-Phillips.



As much as I agree with you the problem is where do we find a decent winger for a decent price. Downing cost Liverpool a rumoured £20 million and Adam Johnson an estimated £12 million for Sunderland. Neither of which have learnt to cross the ball.

I think we ended up with SWP because we were so late into the transfer market we were left with so few options and NW was suddenly given some money to spend. 6 weeks earlier and it may never have happened.
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Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 22:16 - Dec 17 with 698 viewsderbyhoop

And buying a couple of wingers (on top of SWP, Mackie, Hoilett, Dyer, Park) is hardly a priority. That's assuming there were any available that represented an increase in quality and value for money. Even if somebody was available, how much would they demand to join a side 5 points shy of Premiership safety.

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Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 22:19 - Dec 17 with 697 viewsjohnhoop

Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 21:00 - Dec 17 by TW_R

As much as I agree with you the problem is where do we find a decent winger for a decent price. Downing cost Liverpool a rumoured £20 million and Adam Johnson an estimated £12 million for Sunderland. Neither of which have learnt to cross the ball.

I think we ended up with SWP because we were so late into the transfer market we were left with so few options and NW was suddenly given some money to spend. 6 weeks earlier and it may never have happened.


6 weeks earlier and we'd have had Routledge,who's infinitely more effective than SWP and had an almost telepathic understanding with Adel.
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Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 22:26 - Dec 17 with 692 viewsBrianMcCarthy

Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 21:52 - Dec 16 by Neil_SI

The bottom line is that we're a fair crowd and we know our football.

Play properly and give your all and the crowd will respond to you. Shaun Wright-Phillips received a standing ovation when he went off and that says it all about QPR, and he had one of his better games since he's been here.

There's a lot of frustrated fans with him, but they will praise when appropriate and even give a little extra just to acknowledge and give the benefit of the doubt when it's needed, as they did yesterday.


I can't fully agree that we're a fair crowd, Neil. Most of our crowd are fair but we have a high amount of whinging ol' tarts too. I think we're better than most footy crowds but that's like saying we're the most talented act on X Factor.

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Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 22:35 - Dec 17 with 684 viewsNeil_SI

Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 22:26 - Dec 17 by BrianMcCarthy

I can't fully agree that we're a fair crowd, Neil. Most of our crowd are fair but we have a high amount of whinging ol' tarts too. I think we're better than most footy crowds but that's like saying we're the most talented act on X Factor.



You're always going to get some who aren't, but by large, it's a fair crowd.

If you look back to Joey Barton, he was given a lot of support until patience finally ran out with him at that legendary match with Liverpool at home. But, he did return and play well and the crowd got behind him.

Going even further back, Adel Taarabt used to get a lot of stick at times, with the pinnacle being that game when Akos Buzsaky was on a hat-trick and Taarabt didn't pass to him and missed his effort, which incensed the crowd and they had a go at him. He had his say and had a go back, but there was an understanding and actually a kind of mutual respect.

That day made Taarabt. A lot of players would have been broken in half by such a reaction, but he never let it get to him and he's since proved himself to the point that the crowd are now asking him to stay and help them get out of trouble.

Even further back from that — the likes of Paul Furlong had a ropey start, but recovered.

I even remember one specific performance from Mark Hateley — where for just the one match, it went right for him, and he seemed to win every challenge and play well, and the crowd responded so positively to him after weeks of frustration and giving him lots of abuse.

And the list goes on. I think we're definitely a fair and knowledgeable crowd and a crowd that will find you out if you're not up to the task or you don't have your heart in it. We're the big bully when we need to be, and usually when it's absolutely warranted.
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Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 22:50 - Dec 17 with 670 viewsBrianMcCarthy

Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 22:35 - Dec 17 by Neil_SI


You're always going to get some who aren't, but by large, it's a fair crowd.

If you look back to Joey Barton, he was given a lot of support until patience finally ran out with him at that legendary match with Liverpool at home. But, he did return and play well and the crowd got behind him.

Going even further back, Adel Taarabt used to get a lot of stick at times, with the pinnacle being that game when Akos Buzsaky was on a hat-trick and Taarabt didn't pass to him and missed his effort, which incensed the crowd and they had a go at him. He had his say and had a go back, but there was an understanding and actually a kind of mutual respect.

That day made Taarabt. A lot of players would have been broken in half by such a reaction, but he never let it get to him and he's since proved himself to the point that the crowd are now asking him to stay and help them get out of trouble.

Even further back from that — the likes of Paul Furlong had a ropey start, but recovered.

I even remember one specific performance from Mark Hateley — where for just the one match, it went right for him, and he seemed to win every challenge and play well, and the crowd responded so positively to him after weeks of frustration and giving him lots of abuse.

And the list goes on. I think we're definitely a fair and knowledgeable crowd and a crowd that will find you out if you're not up to the task or you don't have your heart in it. We're the big bully when we need to be, and usually when it's absolutely warranted.


That's a fair post, Neil, as ever.

I still have games where I just chuckle and half-despair at some of our lot but, as you say, ever club has them. I think we have a few too many loudmouths to call ourselves fair as a collective, but I agree the majority of us are fair. This season is my first living in England since '96 and overall I've been impressed with the reaction of our supporters to our struggles.

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Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 00:22 - Dec 18 with 647 viewsQPR_ARG

Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 10:03 - Dec 17 by TW_R

But that's the problem isn't it? You don't like SWP so you don't look at his performances on same playing field as other players you do like. I don't like him either, but I can recognise that he had a better game on Saturday than Mackie did.

Pretty much every post you make has some poorly-veiled comment about SWP. You don't like him - we get it - but to constantly go on and on and on about the same player time and again, even when he's had a reasonably good game is just boring and pathetic.

Why don't you try watching the game with an open mind instead of sitting there waiting for a mistake to be made, so you can moan about it on here straight after the game?


I think you're missing the point here. I wasn't attacking SWP. I was "defending" Jamie from being classed in the same level. Simples.

Yes, he had a better match than in most of his previous outings.

No, he is still not good enough.

There was a post above about making the wrong decision most of the time and I agree. My favourite players are those who do exactly the opposite: Xavi, Messi, Pirlo, Iniesta, Faurlín. They have brains. They play with a purpose. They have a plan. They see the whole pitch and the 21 players surrounding them. They play football.
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Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 09:40 - Dec 18 with 592 viewsTW_R

Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 00:22 - Dec 18 by QPR_ARG

I think you're missing the point here. I wasn't attacking SWP. I was "defending" Jamie from being classed in the same level. Simples.

Yes, he had a better match than in most of his previous outings.

No, he is still not good enough.

There was a post above about making the wrong decision most of the time and I agree. My favourite players are those who do exactly the opposite: Xavi, Messi, Pirlo, Iniesta, Faurlín. They have brains. They play with a purpose. They have a plan. They see the whole pitch and the 21 players surrounding them. They play football.


On the face of it, that individual post makes sense. but it's the other 50 where you have to have some kind of dig or comment about SWP, even when he hasn't actually played that badly.

Of course those players are good and play football. That's why they play for Barcelona or Juventus and that's why we have players like SWP and Mackie.

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Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 10:21 - Dec 18 with 581 viewsShotKneesHoop

Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 09:40 - Dec 18 by TW_R

On the face of it, that individual post makes sense. but it's the other 50 where you have to have some kind of dig or comment about SWP, even when he hasn't actually played that badly.

Of course those players are good and play football. That's why they play for Barcelona or Juventus and that's why we have players like SWP and Mackie.



Don't put Mackie and SWP in the same class. They are chalk and cheese.

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Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 10:48 - Dec 18 with 570 viewssimmo

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Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 11:09 - Dec 18 with 559 viewsbob566

mackies a work horse that harasses alot. He can easily carve out a premier league career like Kevin Davies did. He reminds me alot of davies with less aerial power.
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Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 11:19 - Dec 18 with 550 viewsadhoc_qpr

Redknapp's given all the players a new start and the benefit of the doubt - some have already let him down (Granero, Park and Bosingwa), other's have taken their chance.

If SWP keeps putting in a shift, keeps listening to Hill and Nelsen and works on improving his decision making - then the fans will be supportive and eventually even his biggest detractors will at least keep quiet until he has another shocker.

If he runs around like a headless chicken, slags off fans and plays poorly - he'll remain the boo boy.

Mackie has a lot of credit in the bank with fans - even the sitter he missed was created by his own hardwork and hassling.
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Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 13:22 - Dec 18 with 527 viewsR_from_afar

SWP did OK on Saturday but then he has underachieved since he arrived. Putting in a shift is great, not all our players have managed to do that every game, to our cost, but it is really a minimum requirement so let's not get too carried away when a player manages it.

There is still time for SWP to really establish himself but as with a number of other players, what he must do is put in game changing (in the positive sense) performances and it cannot be said that he has managed enough of those so far.

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Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 13:22 - Dec 18 with 526 viewsR_from_afar

SWP did OK on Saturday but then he has underachieved since he arrived. Putting in a shift is great, not all our players have managed to do that every game, to our cost, but it is really a minimum requirement so let's not get too carried away when a player manages it.

There is still time for SWP to really establish himself but as with a number of other players, what he must do is put in game changing (in the positive sense) performances and it cannot be said that he has managed enough of those so far.

RFA


"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."

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Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 13:25 - Dec 18 with 525 viewsTW_R

Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 13:22 - Dec 18 by R_from_afar

SWP did OK on Saturday but then he has underachieved since he arrived. Putting in a shift is great, not all our players have managed to do that every game, to our cost, but it is really a minimum requirement so let's not get too carried away when a player manages it.

There is still time for SWP to really establish himself but as with a number of other players, what he must do is put in game changing (in the positive sense) performances and it cannot be said that he has managed enough of those so far.

RFA



Can't argue with any of that and as we hadn't won a game up until Saturday I'm not sure we've had any game changing performances before Adel's?
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Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 13:53 - Dec 18 with 431 viewsR_from_afar

Equality? Not if it involves SWP on 13:25 - Dec 18 by TW_R

Can't argue with any of that and as we hadn't won a game up until Saturday I'm not sure we've had any game changing performances before Adel's?


I would include performances which enabled us to avoid losing in that category, so Green's efforts against Wigan, as an example.

RFA

"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."

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