| KP 09:08 - Aug 15 with 2212 views | Charlie1 |
Without doubt, a great talent and puts bums on seats. He's a joy to watch and whenever he enters the field of play, a feeling of anticipation buzzes around the ground.
But, he's really screwed up on this. He is a flawed genius with some severe personality issues or perhaps, plain arrogance. I don't know having never met / worked with the guy but Bresnan and Strauss comments say it all.
ECB is right on this one. But it'll cost us our number one spot I fear.......
Still you never know, may fire the likes of Broad and co up! |  |
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| KP on 09:13 - Aug 15 with 1533 views | Hayesender |
Should never play for England again after this fiasco.
Nothing flawed about him, just an arrogant cnt imo |  |
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| KP on 09:20 - Aug 15 with 1518 views | TGRRRSSS |
I think there is probably fault on both sides and I reckon at that level that there's more than one ego, was it Swann who did his autobiography recently with some stinging remarks for various people (not least KP).
I think some if this is to do with the fact England haven't been doing so well this year and have really laboured against SA.
Personally I think it's just the cracks in the dressingroom coming home to roost which have been bhubbling under for some time, and now bad results are happening, plus the desire of people to earn big bucks in IPL I think this might be the tip of the iceberg and go beyond Pieterson, who simply attracts Media controversy.
We'll see how they do this week, big big game for them. |  | | |
| KP on 09:26 - Aug 15 with 1505 views | adhoc_qpr |
Well played by the Saffas leaking the text messages and weakening us of our in form batsman. KP has always been a tool, but the management should have sorted this.
I have no doubts we'll lose this series now with our batting line up - Cook blows hot and cold and only Prior has shown he can get at the South African bowling attack.
2-0 to South Africa or at best a 1-0 series loss with another weather affected draw. |  | | |
| KP on 09:38 - Aug 15 with 1491 views | swisscottage |
| KP on 09:26 - Aug 15 by adhoc_qpr |
Well played by the Saffas leaking the text messages and weakening us of our in form batsman. KP has always been a tool, but the management should have sorted this.
I have no doubts we'll lose this series now with our batting line up - Cook blows hot and cold and only Prior has shown he can get at the South African bowling attack.
2-0 to South Africa or at best a 1-0 series loss with another weather affected draw. |
I fear for Johnny Bairstow in this. He's an undoubted talent but has already shown he can't handle a pace attack in tests where he can receive multiple bouncers in an over.
He's not up to facing that SA attack. He'll be bounced out before he gets to double figures | | | |
| KP on 09:41 - Aug 15 with 1487 views | daveB |
So KP should never play for England again due to sending a text message yet it's ok for Broad and others to set up a Twitter page mocking him. It's a laughable situation. The ECB have got it very wrong imo |  | | |
| KP on 09:54 - Aug 15 with 1466 views | Jamie |
Pietersen is the undisputed star of the team and its easy to believe that there have long been problems behind the scenes. Ultimately though, not everyone has to be best friends to be professional.
Do we really believe that Rooney & Ronaldo were best mates after Portugal? Equally Sheringham & Cole hated each other but they were pretty devastating together.
Its all turned into a pretty sorry saga. There appears to be more to the twitter saga than meets the eye. A close to the bone account with info panicking top brass run by a players best friend but with absolutely, categorically no info passed on by the player?....
Clearly Pietersen is a bit of a nutter, but I'd bet he isnt the only player in that dressing room with a huge ego. | | | |
| KP on 10:03 - Aug 15 with 1455 views | JonDoeman |
| KP on 09:13 - Aug 15 by Hayesender |
Should never play for England again after this fiasco.
Nothing flawed about him, just an arrogant cnt imo |
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| KP on 10:34 - Aug 15 with 1420 views | baz_qpr |
| KP on 09:41 - Aug 15 by daveB |
So KP should never play for England again due to sending a text message yet it's ok for Broad and others to set up a Twitter page mocking him. It's a laughable situation. The ECB have got it very wrong imo |
What Dave said, their is a lot of petty jealousy in the England side after Swann, Broad etc failed to get picked for the IPL.
Would not normally take Pieterson's side but in this he has been badly wronged and that Broad and the others have been allowed to get away with the Twitter spoof is a disgrace and a classic example of bullying. In any other workplace it would be Broad who would be being heavily sanctioned rather than Pieterson for sending a text to his IPL teammate |  | | |
| KP on 10:53 - Aug 15 with 1391 views | hoopscricket |
| KP on 10:34 - Aug 15 by baz_qpr |
What Dave said, their is a lot of petty jealousy in the England side after Swann, Broad etc failed to get picked for the IPL.
Would not normally take Pieterson's side but in this he has been badly wronged and that Broad and the others have been allowed to get away with the Twitter spoof is a disgrace and a classic example of bullying. In any other workplace it would be Broad who would be being heavily sanctioned rather than Pieterson for sending a text to his IPL teammate |
Agree with you Baz but its a team game and the maintenance and coddling demanded by KP has had an adverse effect on the rest of the team and that is why they have reacted in the way they did. You can see by the on field body language that none of them like him and that is bound to cause difficulties at some stage, as it now has. | | | |
| KP on 11:03 - Aug 15 with 1374 views | Tonto |
I think that cricket is more of a team game than many others. You can spend hours sitting in the changing room with your team mates whilst batting. And if there is a prikly atmosphere, that isnt good. In football you can hate your teamate but you only really need to get on for 90 mins once a week.
Its well known that the rubbish England teams of the late 80s and 90s operated in this manner, and that contributed to our failings (Graham Thorpe says as much in his autobiography).
Our meteoric rise in test cricket is largely due to the team atmopshere. If one (or more) players is disrupting this, then they should be jettisoned - even if its KP and he is our best batsman, or Swann who is our best bowler. team comes first. |  |
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| KP on 11:17 - Aug 15 with 1360 views | spencer |
| KP on 09:41 - Aug 15 by daveB |
So KP should never play for England again due to sending a text message yet it's ok for Broad and others to set up a Twitter page mocking him. It's a laughable situation. The ECB have got it very wrong imo |
Dave...Tweeter Richard bailey, who is followed by several cricket players, apparently is responsible for this parody attack on KP.Broad and co have deined any involvment.The account has now been closed.
And yet ...Allegations that Dale Steyn and AB de Villiers were the recipients of the texts are unfounded, and until such time that the allegations are met with the correct facts and evidence, we shall not comment," added Moosajee.
So who stands to gain from all this ?Hardly think South Africa are that worried 1 up with 1 to play and looking better than us....
In my opinion, KP is just a bit of a twot.. |  | | |
| KP on 11:17 - Aug 15 with 1360 views | spencer |
| KP on 09:41 - Aug 15 by daveB |
So KP should never play for England again due to sending a text message yet it's ok for Broad and others to set up a Twitter page mocking him. It's a laughable situation. The ECB have got it very wrong imo |
Dave...Tweeter Richard bailey, who is followed by several cricket players, apparently is responsible for this parody attack on KP.Broad and co have deined any involvment.The account has now been closed.
And yet ...Allegations that Dale Steyn and AB de Villiers were the recipients of the texts are unfounded, and until such time that the allegations are met with the correct facts and evidence, we shall not comment," added Moosajee.
So who stands to gain from all this ?Hardly think South Africa are that worried 1 up with 1 to play and looking better than us....
In my opinion, KP is just a bit of a twot.. | | | |
| KP on 11:28 - Aug 15 with 1348 views | Charlie1 |
| KP on 11:17 - Aug 15 by spencer |
Dave...Tweeter Richard bailey, who is followed by several cricket players, apparently is responsible for this parody attack on KP.Broad and co have deined any involvment.The account has now been closed.
And yet ...Allegations that Dale Steyn and AB de Villiers were the recipients of the texts are unfounded, and until such time that the allegations are met with the correct facts and evidence, we shall not comment," added Moosajee.
So who stands to gain from all this ?Hardly think South Africa are that worried 1 up with 1 to play and looking better than us....
In my opinion, KP is just a bit of a twot.. |
Yeah that's what I thought.
That twitter account was denied by Broad and others so not sure if you're right Dave? Maybe so but time will tell.
I think it's been festering for awhile and probably IPL driven. As hoopscricket alludes, something has been amiss with KP and teams body language for some time.
Either way, we should have a fired up England team tomorrow.
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| KP on 11:38 - Aug 15 with 1337 views | daveB |
| KP on 11:17 - Aug 15 by spencer |
Dave...Tweeter Richard bailey, who is followed by several cricket players, apparently is responsible for this parody attack on KP.Broad and co have deined any involvment.The account has now been closed.
And yet ...Allegations that Dale Steyn and AB de Villiers were the recipients of the texts are unfounded, and until such time that the allegations are met with the correct facts and evidence, we shall not comment," added Moosajee.
So who stands to gain from all this ?Hardly think South Africa are that worried 1 up with 1 to play and looking better than us....
In my opinion, KP is just a bit of a twot.. |
yeah sure they had nothing to do with it, was all the mate! KP has been banned over press reports that he might have done something despite the people who got the texts laughing it off as a joke, no sanctions for Broad though or Swan over his autobiography. Laughable really, he'll end up having to say sorry and be back in the side. | | | |
| KP on 12:09 - Aug 15 with 1318 views | spencer |
| KP on 11:38 - Aug 15 by daveB |
yeah sure they had nothing to do with it, was all the mate! KP has been banned over press reports that he might have done something despite the people who got the texts laughing it off as a joke, no sanctions for Broad though or Swan over his autobiography. Laughable really, he'll end up having to say sorry and be back in the side. |
Having watched the Olympics over the past 2-3 weeks it was great to see people competing and generally getting on with each other.
As the public, do we ever know what the truth is?One side chooses to believe that behind Bailey, Broad et co were stoking the fire and that KP is just a poor pawn caught in the crossfire.
Some will choose to believe that KP did send these texts messages to the South African team, mocking and putting down his teammates.
I think KP is one of the best batsmen in the World at the moment, but in my opinion,he is not a team player(IMO ONLY)...If i found out that one of my team mates was mocking me to the opposition,i know what my response would be.The fact However,that the ECB wanted assurances by Sunday afternoon from the 32-year-old that he had not sent derogatory texts about captain Andrew Strauss, plus
the fact that it has been reported that former England captain...
Stewart said it was his understanding Pietersen had "apologised and would like to be involved" with England....suggests that he said what was said and if so...no matter how good, he should be dropped. | | | |
| KP on 12:13 - Aug 15 with 1309 views | spencer |
| KP on 11:38 - Aug 15 by daveB |
yeah sure they had nothing to do with it, was all the mate! KP has been banned over press reports that he might have done something despite the people who got the texts laughing it off as a joke, no sanctions for Broad though or Swan over his autobiography. Laughable really, he'll end up having to say sorry and be back in the side. |
Having watched the Olympics over the past 2-3 weeks it was great to see people competing and generally getting on with each other.
As the public, do we ever know what the truth is?One side chooses to believe that behind Bailey, Broad et co were stoking the fire and that KP is just a poor pawn caught in the crossfire.
Some will choose to believe that KP did send these texts messages to the South African team, mocking and putting down his teammates.
I think KP is one of the best batsmen in the World at the moment, but in my opinion,he is not a team player(IMO ONLY)...If i found out that one of my team mates was mocking me to the opposition,i know what my response would be.The fact However,that the ECB wanted assurances by Sunday afternoon from the 32-year-old that he had not sent derogatory texts about captain Andrew Strauss, plus
the fact that it has been reported that former England captain...
Stewart said it was his understanding Pietersen had "apologised and would like to be involved" with England....suggests that he said what was said and if so...no matter how good, he should be dropped. | | | |
| KP on 12:17 - Aug 15 with 1303 views | spencer |
Which he has now confirmed he had done just that....silly boy . | | | |
| KP on 12:38 - Aug 15 with 1291 views | baz_qpr |
| KP on 10:53 - Aug 15 by hoopscricket |
Agree with you Baz but its a team game and the maintenance and coddling demanded by KP has had an adverse effect on the rest of the team and that is why they have reacted in the way they did. You can see by the on field body language that none of them like him and that is bound to cause difficulties at some stage, as it now has. |
Have to disagree, Cricket is not really a team game in the same way that Football / Basketball, Rugby etc are where in virtually all moments in the game the group has to function as a whole.
Cricket is more a serious of individual duels between batsman and bowler, yes their are team elements to it, in a tactical sense or commitment in the field but the reality of it is that it is a team made up of a serious of skilled individuals who's contribution is not reliant on others. More akin to Ryder Cup golf.
What is being shown here is massive double standards, Graham Swann was not disciplined for his comments in his book, Broad was closely involved with the guy who set up the parody account English players were the first followers none have been disciplined.
I've played cricket at a very high level in my youth and I've seen dressing rooms go like this and its usually down to weak management and a failure of management to maintain appropriate and equal distance from the players.
It is not the other players place to comment or react to the contractual arrangements of another [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| KP on 12:50 - Aug 15 with 1269 views | daveB |
well Graeme Smith seems to think the texts were a fuss over nothing, I think KP has been pushed into apologising, it all seems a bit unfair to me | | | |
| KP on 12:52 - Aug 15 with 1263 views | Hunterhoop |
KP's complete turnaround in the last week and Stewart's comments (remember the Surrey connection) that he understands KP has apologised now behind closed doors clearly indicates he did send derogatory texts about Strauss and possibly others. Also, don't forget no one is sueing the newspaper over this and they have publically said they have a very strong source who can verify the scoop.
Finally, it's also widely accepted amongst all the pundits, and players, from what's been said, that KP did send derogatory texts.
So, that being the case, i think he's bang to rights. It was the straw that broke the camel's back. Clearly, there's been a problem in the dressing room brewing for a little while. I wouldn't be surprised if KP has felt slightly resentful of Strauss ever since he lost the captaincy.
But you simply cannot slate your own captain to the opposition. It is not conducive to team morale, it is not what a "team player" does, it is evidence that he wasn't fully committed to his captain and his team mates. He had to be held accountable. The decision was the right thing. Everyone in the team has to be pulling in the same direction, it's not clear that KP was.
This is further supported by his public desire to have played more IPL and not played in the Windies series.
I'm not surprised his colleagues resented him. Of course, there may have been a bit of jealousy. But the key point here is that KP is under contract with the ECB. His attempts to pick and choose when he plays for England based on when the IPL is are very poor form, IMO. That's not the deal you sign up to when you sign your central contract.
KP fcuked up. He got bad advice and thought he could beat the ECB in a game of brinkmanship when it came to the T20/ODI/IPL issues. There'd clearly been some dressing room issues between him and certain players and he then gets caught bad mouthing to the skipper to the oppo. He's made a series of fcuk ups. He knows this, hence the attempts to recover the situation. He's being held accountable. Good.
Broad "follows" the author of the Twitter account. So does Bresnan and one or two others. No evidence whatsoever that he authored any of it or was involved at all. So any charge of "bullying" is frankly embarrassing and something only a pillock of Piers Morgan proportions could agree with.
Besides, as a number of pundits have pointed out, the actual mock tweets were pretty fcuking harmless and quite funny. As many of us know, piss taking in team sports is rife. You have to be able to laugh at yourself. It's part of the fun of being in a team. People who can't quickly struggle in team environments. KP clearly takes himself very seriously, comes across very arrogant and clearly can't laugh at himself much. They're all his problem...not his team mates. He needs to get over himself!
Providing England pick Finn and Swann (please God, not Bresnan), I wouldn't be surprised if they beat SA in this Test.
Really hoping for a Strauss ton in his 100th Test. A superb achievement that has been overshadowed by the fall out of the actions of an egotistical pr*ck.
Strauss deserved more in the build up to this momentus day in his career. 8th Engalishman of all time to play 100 Tests, 2nd on the all time Eng Centurions list, Captained Ashes wins home and away...a superb leader and advocate for English sport.
When everyone is focussing on how great GB athletes were in how they performed, carried themselves, how dedicated they were, etc....Strauss is a similarly shining beacon in the world of cricket. KP is not. |  | | |
| KP on 12:57 - Aug 15 with 1257 views | spencer |
| KP on 12:50 - Aug 15 by daveB |
well Graeme Smith seems to think the texts were a fuss over nothing, I think KP has been pushed into apologising, it all seems a bit unfair to me |
It is strange how all of a sudden Graeme Smith is sticking up for Kp, especially with their history of throwing out the dummies etc..
If its a fuss over nothing, then we were so many people denying it?
Are you saying, that had it been...Swann sending these texts to SA, then that would have been different ,seeing as KP was born in SA and a problem that has been out there between Smith and KP in the past?
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Kevin Pietersen has vowed not to become distracted by his long-running feud with Graeme Smith when England take to the field in Tuesday's must-win World Cup showdown with South Africa.
The star batsman has been at loggerheads with the Proteas captain since returning to the country of his birth with England two winters ago.
Pietersen, 26, dubbed Smith an "absolute muppet" for his on-field sledging during that tour, but now says: "Graeme Smith and I do not get on but I must not be distracted."
Read more: http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/extra/45318-pietersen-not-distracted-by-feud#ixzz23
Now Smith is defending him ?? Seems odd Dave . | | | |
| KP on 13:26 - Aug 15 with 1237 views | Nov77 |
Just watched strauss' press conference. Get the feeling they don't want KP back at all. Reminds me of the nonsense flabio came up with to get rid of Sousa.
None of us know what goes on behind the scenes but the fact that broad is good mates with the guy who set up the spoof KP twitter account, suggests he was probably feeding him information.
I'll always stick up for the wayward genius (adel), think Strauss should grow a pair, accept kp's apology and get on with it. They expect fans to pay a fortune to go and watch them, yet because KP hurt their feelings we now have to watch Bairstow instead of KP, that'll really empty the bars! |  |
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| KP on 13:41 - Aug 15 with 1220 views | R_from_afar |
Lance Armstrong's autobigraphy was "It's not about the bike". At this rate. KP's will be called: "It's not about the cricket". Has he been hanging out with Barton?
Actually, imagine if our Joey did play cricket at a high level. Can you imagine what his appeals - and reaction to the umpire's decision - would be like when he was bowling?
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| KP on 13:52 - Aug 15 with 1205 views | jonno |
| KP on 12:52 - Aug 15 by Hunterhoop |
KP's complete turnaround in the last week and Stewart's comments (remember the Surrey connection) that he understands KP has apologised now behind closed doors clearly indicates he did send derogatory texts about Strauss and possibly others. Also, don't forget no one is sueing the newspaper over this and they have publically said they have a very strong source who can verify the scoop.
Finally, it's also widely accepted amongst all the pundits, and players, from what's been said, that KP did send derogatory texts.
So, that being the case, i think he's bang to rights. It was the straw that broke the camel's back. Clearly, there's been a problem in the dressing room brewing for a little while. I wouldn't be surprised if KP has felt slightly resentful of Strauss ever since he lost the captaincy.
But you simply cannot slate your own captain to the opposition. It is not conducive to team morale, it is not what a "team player" does, it is evidence that he wasn't fully committed to his captain and his team mates. He had to be held accountable. The decision was the right thing. Everyone in the team has to be pulling in the same direction, it's not clear that KP was.
This is further supported by his public desire to have played more IPL and not played in the Windies series.
I'm not surprised his colleagues resented him. Of course, there may have been a bit of jealousy. But the key point here is that KP is under contract with the ECB. His attempts to pick and choose when he plays for England based on when the IPL is are very poor form, IMO. That's not the deal you sign up to when you sign your central contract.
KP fcuked up. He got bad advice and thought he could beat the ECB in a game of brinkmanship when it came to the T20/ODI/IPL issues. There'd clearly been some dressing room issues between him and certain players and he then gets caught bad mouthing to the skipper to the oppo. He's made a series of fcuk ups. He knows this, hence the attempts to recover the situation. He's being held accountable. Good.
Broad "follows" the author of the Twitter account. So does Bresnan and one or two others. No evidence whatsoever that he authored any of it or was involved at all. So any charge of "bullying" is frankly embarrassing and something only a pillock of Piers Morgan proportions could agree with.
Besides, as a number of pundits have pointed out, the actual mock tweets were pretty fcuking harmless and quite funny. As many of us know, piss taking in team sports is rife. You have to be able to laugh at yourself. It's part of the fun of being in a team. People who can't quickly struggle in team environments. KP clearly takes himself very seriously, comes across very arrogant and clearly can't laugh at himself much. They're all his problem...not his team mates. He needs to get over himself!
Providing England pick Finn and Swann (please God, not Bresnan), I wouldn't be surprised if they beat SA in this Test.
Really hoping for a Strauss ton in his 100th Test. A superb achievement that has been overshadowed by the fall out of the actions of an egotistical pr*ck.
Strauss deserved more in the build up to this momentus day in his career. 8th Engalishman of all time to play 100 Tests, 2nd on the all time Eng Centurions list, Captained Ashes wins home and away...a superb leader and advocate for English sport.
When everyone is focussing on how great GB athletes were in how they performed, carried themselves, how dedicated they were, etc....Strauss is a similarly shining beacon in the world of cricket. KP is not. |
Spot on. KP has always played for himself, and not the team. That is generally acknowledged. The guy is an arse, and should be left out of the Test side IMHO. |  | | |
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