| Tamworth Tuesday 13:23 - Dec 15 with 21649 views | Delboy |
Unless Jim and the players are able to find a way we are in for another potential bore fest. Tamworth have no obligation to entertain and following a few early season thrashings tend to set up to frustrate, a method that has brought them some success recently and which inevitably works against our slow possesion based style. To avoid the usual depressing sonario against this type of team surely Jim sees the need to start the game hard and fast and keep going forward even if we are fortunate to score early. For once I would like to see the oppostion defenders have a torrid time instead of sitting back comfortably while we pass nonchalontly around the edge of the area. I would love to be pleasantly surprised but I suppose in all honesty I am steeled for more frustration. |  | | |  |
| Tamworth Tuesday on 09:06 - Dec 16 with 4742 views | Sandyman |
Tamworth are in this division after winning 2 consecutive titles to get here. They've reached round 3 of the FA cup, beating two League One sides, picking a plum 3rd round draw with Spurs. They picked up a point with a time added on equaliser v league leaders York last Saturday. They also have a player with a ginormous throw in capability.
This side will be buzzing with the confidence and enthusiasm we often lack.
It's up to Jim to have our side ready for such an encounter, able to get goals and a result. We don't want another tippy tappy borefest that gains nothing. |  | | |
| Tamworth Tuesday on 11:37 - Dec 16 with 4590 views | EllDale |
It was the long throw that unsettled Huddersfield in the cup.
Didn’t it land in the six yard box and the keeper punched it into his own goal? | | | |
| Tamworth Tuesday on 16:33 - Dec 16 with 4226 views | realisticdale33 |
I’m afraid if it’s another lacklustre performance the atmosphere at the club won’t be great. Teams around us really increasing the gap to overtake them. JM needs to sort it out. Need to be aware of the long throw if tonks plays. Up the Dale !!! | | | |
| Tamworth Tuesday on 17:09 - Dec 16 with 4120 views | Yorkshire_Dale |
With a bit of luck McNulty will now have binned his copies of "Pep Guardiola's Perfect Guide to Possession Football" after that horror show on Sunday against Manure at the Eitihad?
Citeh are a spent force (for now) | | | |
| Tamworth Tuesday on 17:14 - Dec 16 with 4110 views | tony_roch975 |
| Tamworth Tuesday on 17:09 - Dec 16 by Yorkshire_Dale |
With a bit of luck McNulty will now have binned his copies of "Pep Guardiola's Perfect Guide to Possession Football" after that horror show on Sunday against Manure at the Eitihad?
Citeh are a spent force (for now) |
they've certainly spent enough - couldn't befall a nicer oil fiefdom | |
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| Tamworth Tuesday on 18:05 - Dec 16 with 3987 views | richfoad32 |
Reading some comments from Southampton fans on the BBC News site after Russell Martin got canned and almost to the letter their complaints match ours....'playing about at the back when we haven't got the players to do it'.....'50 passes to cross the halfway line'.....'can't score if you don't shoot'.....etc, etc. Might this style of football be on the way out if there's a few more high profile managerial casualties or will it take more than that? | | | |
| Tamworth Tuesday on 18:22 - Dec 16 with 3948 views | D_Alien |
| Tamworth Tuesday on 18:05 - Dec 16 by richfoad32 |
Reading some comments from Southampton fans on the BBC News site after Russell Martin got canned and almost to the letter their complaints match ours....'playing about at the back when we haven't got the players to do it'.....'50 passes to cross the halfway line'.....'can't score if you don't shoot'.....etc, etc. Might this style of football be on the way out if there's a few more high profile managerial casualties or will it take more than that? |
What a bloody great Christmas present that'd be, for every football fan
There've been posts suggesting "that's the modern game" with a touch of "take it or leave it"
Those a bit longer in the tooth (or losing their teeth, even) know that all things change; at least all those things subject to the whims of 'fashion'
As posted yesterday, Dale fans are a patient lot, we have to be but it looks at last as if patience is wearing thin. We're stuck with the current coaching manual for now, but any coach who can't adapt as the tide starts to turn will find themselves drowning
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| Tamworth Tuesday on 18:27 - Dec 16 with 3921 views | 442Dale |
| Tamworth Tuesday on 18:22 - Dec 16 by D_Alien |
What a bloody great Christmas present that'd be, for every football fan
There've been posts suggesting "that's the modern game" with a touch of "take it or leave it"
Those a bit longer in the tooth (or losing their teeth, even) know that all things change; at least all those things subject to the whims of 'fashion'
As posted yesterday, Dale fans are a patient lot, we have to be but it looks at last as if patience is wearing thin. We're stuck with the current coaching manual for now, but any coach who can't adapt as the tide starts to turn will find themselves drowning
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Certainly no “take it or leave it” here. Because it will change again, it’s just a question of when. The City implosion and the likes of Burnley and Southampton refusing to change when they aren’t even looking like winning could begin to start a reflection period.
It will need the media and analysts to start to provide stats on where it’s going wrong for this change to progress.
Given a choice, it’d be the Dale side we’ve seen at times who look to go into midfield and wide quickly that is the future of the game. However, managers overthink. Ours included. |  |
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| Tamworth Tuesday on 18:38 - Dec 16 with 3869 views | D_Alien |
| Tamworth Tuesday on 18:27 - Dec 16 by 442Dale |
Certainly no “take it or leave it” here. Because it will change again, it’s just a question of when. The City implosion and the likes of Burnley and Southampton refusing to change when they aren’t even looking like winning could begin to start a reflection period.
It will need the media and analysts to start to provide stats on where it’s going wrong for this change to progress.
Given a choice, it’d be the Dale side we’ve seen at times who look to go into midfield and wide quickly that is the future of the game. However, managers overthink. Ours included. |
You certainly haven't suggested anyone should take it or leave, but there's been one or two who have - or even suggested that not going along with the JM manual makes people dinosaurs. We'll see who survives when the next footballing asteroid hits... | |
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| Tamworth Tuesday on 19:01 - Dec 16 with 3805 views | Duckegg |
| Tamworth Tuesday on 18:27 - Dec 16 by 442Dale |
Certainly no “take it or leave it” here. Because it will change again, it’s just a question of when. The City implosion and the likes of Burnley and Southampton refusing to change when they aren’t even looking like winning could begin to start a reflection period.
It will need the media and analysts to start to provide stats on where it’s going wrong for this change to progress.
Given a choice, it’d be the Dale side we’ve seen at times who look to go into midfield and wide quickly that is the future of the game. However, managers overthink. Ours included. |
JM certainly did'nt learn anything from the Hill era of no fear football..
Perhaps he needs to watch a few matches on dvd to remind him of what it was like.. |  | | |
| Tamworth Tuesday on 19:07 - Dec 16 with 3787 views | NorthernDale |
When we attack with pace and purpose at the start of the season, but McNulty as gone back to his preferred total options style, which is slow, pedestrian and is more suited to the training pitch, then actual games.
The fact McNulty cannot see that the style is not working, even premiership teams who play that style concede stupid goals and with better footballers then we can hope to have. We have seen managers who prefer total options style get the sack across different divisions over the last few seasons from Russell Martin (Southampton) to Kevin Betsy (Crawley) who thought the style was successful and enjoyable, and lost their jobs. Even people Southgate and Lee Carsley preferred this style and watching England in the euros and recent games as been painful to watch. Will McNulty learn and change, I hope he will, because I like McNulty and want him to be successful, but at the same time, I doubt he as the ability to wake up to the fact the style is not entertaining to watch and make games difficult to win. On Saturday he said we dominated the game, but we got beat! This is the same line BBM sprouted as we got beat most weeks and relegated from league 1. Please Jim change the style and play more fast pace aggressive passing football. | | | |
| Tamworth Tuesday on 19:25 - Dec 16 with 3741 views | 442Dale |
| Tamworth Tuesday on 19:01 - Dec 16 by Duckegg |
JM certainly did'nt learn anything from the Hill era of no fear football..
Perhaps he needs to watch a few matches on dvd to remind him of what it was like.. |
Except McNulty joined when we were in L1 and weren’t playing the same ‘no fear’ football seen in Hill’s first spell. We were no longer playing with two wingers and there was a much more tactical approach, albeit with a set of players who were capable of some exciting football.
In fact, McNulty was signed to add someone in central defence who was a bit more capable on the ball and could play out from there better. | |
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| Tamworth Tuesday on 19:31 - Dec 16 with 3709 views | realisticdale33 |
I think the simple fact is JM tactics are boring. No wonder the atmosphere and crowd figures are so poor when all we do it knock it around the back for 10 min before we go past the halfway line. Lad thinks he’s PEP. He needs to sort it out and go back to old school footy and get the job done. We are a soft team. We are easily taken advantage of by big physical sides. I’d like us to add some physicality into our game. UP THE DALE !! | | | |
| Tamworth Tuesday on 19:37 - Dec 16 with 3662 views | 442Dale |
| Tamworth Tuesday on 19:07 - Dec 16 by NorthernDale |
When we attack with pace and purpose at the start of the season, but McNulty as gone back to his preferred total options style, which is slow, pedestrian and is more suited to the training pitch, then actual games.
The fact McNulty cannot see that the style is not working, even premiership teams who play that style concede stupid goals and with better footballers then we can hope to have. We have seen managers who prefer total options style get the sack across different divisions over the last few seasons from Russell Martin (Southampton) to Kevin Betsy (Crawley) who thought the style was successful and enjoyable, and lost their jobs. Even people Southgate and Lee Carsley preferred this style and watching England in the euros and recent games as been painful to watch. Will McNulty learn and change, I hope he will, because I like McNulty and want him to be successful, but at the same time, I doubt he as the ability to wake up to the fact the style is not entertaining to watch and make games difficult to win. On Saturday he said we dominated the game, but we got beat! This is the same line BBM sprouted as we got beat most weeks and relegated from league 1. Please Jim change the style and play more fast pace aggressive passing football. |
This messageboard illustrates there hasn’t been a particular shift one way or another over this season in the way we play. Sometimes we’ve played more effectively, other times we haven’t so there is no real difference from the start of the campaign. The Bromley and Gateshead games have seen two totally different types of performance, neither of which were the ‘pass it about at the back without doing much’ display which rightly frustrates many.
Also, ‘total options’ is not that less than exciting style which few if any want to see, it’s exactly what it says it is and means to mix up play and go direct when required. That’s why there’s so much angst, because we AREN’T total options as much as we should be.
Finally, the football employed by Gareth Southgate cannot be compared to that played by Dale, City, Southampton or any possession based side. His problem was his style was dour be design and utilised to get results ahead of anything else. | |
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| Tamworth Tuesday on 19:41 - Dec 16 with 3645 views | Rodingdale |
| Tamworth Tuesday on 19:07 - Dec 16 by NorthernDale |
When we attack with pace and purpose at the start of the season, but McNulty as gone back to his preferred total options style, which is slow, pedestrian and is more suited to the training pitch, then actual games.
The fact McNulty cannot see that the style is not working, even premiership teams who play that style concede stupid goals and with better footballers then we can hope to have. We have seen managers who prefer total options style get the sack across different divisions over the last few seasons from Russell Martin (Southampton) to Kevin Betsy (Crawley) who thought the style was successful and enjoyable, and lost their jobs. Even people Southgate and Lee Carsley preferred this style and watching England in the euros and recent games as been painful to watch. Will McNulty learn and change, I hope he will, because I like McNulty and want him to be successful, but at the same time, I doubt he as the ability to wake up to the fact the style is not entertaining to watch and make games difficult to win. On Saturday he said we dominated the game, but we got beat! This is the same line BBM sprouted as we got beat most weeks and relegated from league 1. Please Jim change the style and play more fast pace aggressive passing football. |
Thierry Henry doing a fantastic critique of Arsenal and City’s passing style on MNF - why turn around and go backwards. Wingers turning round instead of having a go, ball ending up back in own half. Why?
If he rips Arsenal and City apart what would he make of Jim’s teams.
The worm is definitely turning on this drivel football. | | | |
| Tamworth Tuesday on 19:42 - Dec 16 with 3636 views | 442Dale |
| Tamworth Tuesday on 19:31 - Dec 16 by realisticdale33 |
I think the simple fact is JM tactics are boring. No wonder the atmosphere and crowd figures are so poor when all we do it knock it around the back for 10 min before we go past the halfway line. Lad thinks he’s PEP. He needs to sort it out and go back to old school footy and get the job done. We are a soft team. We are easily taken advantage of by big physical sides. I’d like us to add some physicality into our game. UP THE DALE !! |
The atmosphere at homes games is good. Any Dale fan who has been going to games over the years can honestly say the backing the team receives and the noise in the ground is as good as it’s been for a long time.
Worth noting attendances are steady and remain at a level comparable to other more successful period.
Can you list the games where ‘‘big physical sides’ have taken advantage of us? | |
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| Tamworth Tuesday on 19:48 - Dec 16 with 3592 views | realisticdale33 |
| Tamworth Tuesday on 19:42 - Dec 16 by 442Dale |
The atmosphere at homes games is good. Any Dale fan who has been going to games over the years can honestly say the backing the team receives and the noise in the ground is as good as it’s been for a long time.
Worth noting attendances are steady and remain at a level comparable to other more successful period.
Can you list the games where ‘‘big physical sides’ have taken advantage of us? |
Bromley , Eastleigh , Solihull look forward to a response. They made us look like little boys. Our lack of ruthlessness has been our downfall. Bromley in the fa cup in particular. | | | |
| Tamworth Tuesday on 19:55 - Dec 16 with 3532 views | kel |
| Tamworth Tuesday on 19:48 - Dec 16 by realisticdale33 |
Bromley , Eastleigh , Solihull look forward to a response. They made us look like little boys. Our lack of ruthlessness has been our downfall. Bromley in the fa cup in particular. |
“I can’t make many games due to work” |  | | |
| Tamworth Tuesday on 19:56 - Dec 16 with 3531 views | 442Dale |
| Tamworth Tuesday on 19:48 - Dec 16 by realisticdale33 |
Bromley , Eastleigh , Solihull look forward to a response. They made us look like little boys. Our lack of ruthlessness has been our downfall. Bromley in the fa cup in particular. |
Didn’t see Eastleigh so can’t comment. Solihull were a well drilled side who we didn’t play well enough to break down - that was on us not a big physical side taking advantage.
Bromley was one of our better attacking performances of the season, we played some great stuff but defended shockingly. If anything we should have been out of sight before their two late goals.
You appear not to have addressed the comments on comparisons between the atmosphere now and in previous years. What seasons do you think the atmosphere was better? | |
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| Tamworth Tuesday on 20:02 - Dec 16 with 3484 views | 49thseason |
| Tamworth Tuesday on 18:22 - Dec 16 by D_Alien |
What a bloody great Christmas present that'd be, for every football fan
There've been posts suggesting "that's the modern game" with a touch of "take it or leave it"
Those a bit longer in the tooth (or losing their teeth, even) know that all things change; at least all those things subject to the whims of 'fashion'
As posted yesterday, Dale fans are a patient lot, we have to be but it looks at last as if patience is wearing thin. We're stuck with the current coaching manual for now, but any coach who can't adapt as the tide starts to turn will find themselves drowning
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Not sure we will ever go back to 5 forwards 2 wing halves , a centre half and 2 full backs though, but it would be fun to see what happened |  | | |
| Tamworth Tuesday on 20:06 - Dec 16 with 3449 views | 442Dale |
| Tamworth Tuesday on 20:02 - Dec 16 by 49thseason |
Not sure we will ever go back to 5 forwards 2 wing halves , a centre half and 2 full backs though, but it would be fun to see what happened |
Ironically, the current formation is as near to that as most others over the years!
It’s designed for the two wide central defenders to support attacks, wing backs to be wide of the front three so, when seen at its most effective, we are playing with five in the last third with three often in support. | |
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| Tamworth Tuesday on 20:14 - Dec 16 with 3423 views | D_Alien |
| Tamworth Tuesday on 20:02 - Dec 16 by 49thseason |
Not sure we will ever go back to 5 forwards 2 wing halves , a centre half and 2 full backs though, but it would be fun to see what happened |
...especially if we left out the goalkeeper
But seriously, no-one's suggesting that either. The game evolves, always has done. I started watching just as Ramsey's "wingless wonders" came into fashion (that's the origin of 442's username) but once everyone adopts a system, the coach who can come up with something more effective against that system takes the lead and the tide turns, until the next time | |
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| Tamworth Tuesday on 20:27 - Dec 16 with 3383 views | 442Dale |
| Tamworth Tuesday on 20:14 - Dec 16 by D_Alien |
...especially if we left out the goalkeeper
But seriously, no-one's suggesting that either. The game evolves, always has done. I started watching just as Ramsey's "wingless wonders" came into fashion (that's the origin of 442's username) but once everyone adopts a system, the coach who can come up with something more effective against that system takes the lead and the tide turns, until the next time |
Wasn’t Ramsey playing a 4–3-3?
The name came from a desire for us to return to wingers, the latter stages of the second Parkin era featuring three midfielders/forwards producing little. Hill then came in and did indeed employ a 4-4-2.
You’re right though, styles and formations evolve. For example, can recall becoming frustrated with BBM playing 4-4-2 for far too long during the relegation season. He only latterly going to three at the back which saw an upturn in results, although too late to keep us up. | |
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| Tamworth Tuesday on 20:28 - Dec 16 with 3379 views | realisticdale33 |
| Tamworth Tuesday on 19:55 - Dec 16 by kel |
“I can’t make many games due to work” |
There is a thing called technology kel where you can watch replays … [Post edited 16 Dec 20:31]
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| Tamworth Tuesday on 20:29 - Dec 16 with 3360 views | realisticdale33 |
| Tamworth Tuesday on 19:56 - Dec 16 by 442Dale |
Didn’t see Eastleigh so can’t comment. Solihull were a well drilled side who we didn’t play well enough to break down - that was on us not a big physical side taking advantage.
Bromley was one of our better attacking performances of the season, we played some great stuff but defended shockingly. If anything we should have been out of sight before their two late goals.
You appear not to have addressed the comments on comparisons between the atmosphere now and in previous years. What seasons do you think the atmosphere was better? |
Well so I was right … totally out strengthened by all those teams stated. Had more experience and could finish off a game.i never compared to atmosphere years ago. I did say it was bad. Irrelevant of if it was worse years ago… | | | |
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