| Is Europe turning ? 19:19 - Nov 26 with 11981 views | KeithHaynes |
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| Is Europe turning ? on 14:46 - Dec 9 with 1080 views | Whiterockin |
| Is Europe turning ? on 11:28 - Dec 9 by Scotia |
I don't think Labour have ever had a majority in the Senedd or Assembly. They've always had the most seats and the Presiding Officer usually doesn't vote so that takes one member out too - so in most cases there is only 59 really members.
They've always relied on some sort of deal, and that's what's likley to happen next time. I still don't think the majority of people will vote. |
Possibly Labour would not be involved in any deal.
https://www.electionpolling.co.uk/polls/senedd |  | | |
| Is Europe turning ? on 15:41 - Dec 9 with 1029 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Is Europe turning ? on 08:26 - Dec 9 by felixstowe_jack |
You better tell the Welsh rugby union. They call their ground the Principality stadium. |
Its just the Sponsors name mun.
Its almost like thinking Aviva is some form of government in Ireland.
May Joseph, Mary, Jesus and the wee donkey help us …. 🙏🏼😳 |  |
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| Is Europe turning ? on 15:59 - Dec 9 with 1006 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Is Europe turning ? on 09:38 - Dec 9 by onehunglow |
Killy.
Would you be content with Wales being part of a British republic with us removing the monarchy .
Pity we didn’t remove the monarchy after the EdwardV111 abdication . |
A voluntary modern union of equal nations would be huge step forward.
The WRU were once called ‘the village idiots of world rugby’, and i believe that too many in Westmonster see Wales in the same way politically.
Five things that would start to address the issues;
1. Fairness in HS2 funding, its simply not a Wales scheme
2. Make safe the coal tips in south Wales (urgently no debate needed here)
3. Replace Barnett with a needs based formula
4. Replace the EU grants as promised that Brexit has reduced
5. Align Wales to Scotland for policing and Crown Estate, its not fair is it ?
This would be in line with Drakers position of seeing the union as an insurance policy.
Currently we pay for an insurance policy that rarely pays anything out. | |
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| Is Europe turning ? on 17:37 - Dec 9 with 959 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Is Europe turning ? on 20:53 - Dec 8 by Kilkennyjack |
Just to help you a little ….
In a Principality then, by definition, the Prince makes the laws.
Cymru was last a Principality in 1536, so you are only wrong by nearly 500 years.
This might well be the site record for being so wrong - congratulations.
Nature - well i agree with you that Cymru should be much more grown up and assertive.
The future for Cymru in devo max, or Indy. |
It might have been colloquially known as such but it was never a principality, not in a legal or sovereign sense. Prince of wales was a self styled title that the lords of Gwynedd used sporadically to set themselves on a bit of a pedestal above the other lords of all the other petty kingdoms, Dyfed, Powys etc.
In fact as you are probably aware Wales as it stands today has only ever been a standalone sovereign unified nation for a few short years in the mid 11th century. And it was very much a kingdom not a principality. Recognised by foreign powers as well as the king of England. It didn’t last because of the gavelkind succession laws which splits the lands and titles between all the sons every time someone dies. |  |
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| Is Europe turning ? on 17:43 - Dec 9 with 937 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Is Europe turning ? on 17:37 - Dec 9 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
It might have been colloquially known as such but it was never a principality, not in a legal or sovereign sense. Prince of wales was a self styled title that the lords of Gwynedd used sporadically to set themselves on a bit of a pedestal above the other lords of all the other petty kingdoms, Dyfed, Powys etc.
In fact as you are probably aware Wales as it stands today has only ever been a standalone sovereign unified nation for a few short years in the mid 11th century. And it was very much a kingdom not a principality. Recognised by foreign powers as well as the king of England. It didn’t last because of the gavelkind succession laws which splits the lands and titles between all the sons every time someone dies. |
And so Kilky still holds the record for being wrong because he has previously demnaded that Wales is and always has been a country which puts him around 900 years wrong. |  | | |
| Is Europe turning ? on 18:00 - Dec 9 with 912 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Is Europe turning ? on 17:43 - Dec 9 by SullutaCreturned |
And so Kilky still holds the record for being wrong because he has previously demnaded that Wales is and always has been a country which puts him around 900 years wrong. |
Well empires are run by emperors, kingdoms are run by kings. We are run by Keir Starmer so we must be a country. | |
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| Is Europe turning ? on 18:26 - Dec 9 with 891 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Is Europe turning ? on 18:00 - Dec 9 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Well empires are run by emperors, kingdoms are run by kings. We are run by Keir Starmer so we must be a country. |
Wales is a right state. |  |
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| Is Europe turning ? on 18:51 - Dec 9 with 864 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Is Europe turning ? on 17:37 - Dec 9 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
It might have been colloquially known as such but it was never a principality, not in a legal or sovereign sense. Prince of wales was a self styled title that the lords of Gwynedd used sporadically to set themselves on a bit of a pedestal above the other lords of all the other petty kingdoms, Dyfed, Powys etc.
In fact as you are probably aware Wales as it stands today has only ever been a standalone sovereign unified nation for a few short years in the mid 11th century. And it was very much a kingdom not a principality. Recognised by foreign powers as well as the king of England. It didn’t last because of the gavelkind succession laws which splits the lands and titles between all the sons every time someone dies. |
Yes, glad you agree that current Wales is not a Principality.
One or two posters or here think that because a rugby ground is called ….. oh, never mind …. Its risible tbh ….
We also agree that Wales is a nation, just like England.
Some on here struggle with that fact.
Thank you for your post. | |
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| Is Europe turning ? on 18:53 - Dec 9 with 858 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Is Europe turning ? on 17:43 - Dec 9 by SullutaCreturned |
And so Kilky still holds the record for being wrong because he has previously demnaded that Wales is and always has been a country which puts him around 900 years wrong. |
Incorrect.
Wales remains a nation. Just like ingerlund and Scotland.
Wales stopped being a Principality in 1536. | |
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| Is Europe turning ? on 18:59 - Dec 9 with 852 views | Kilkennyjack |
Try google …..
‘Since 1922, the United Kingdom has been made up of four countries: England, Scotland, Wales (which collectively make up Great Britain) and Northern Ireland (variously described as a country,[1] province,[2][3][4] jurisdiction[5] or region[6][7]). The UK Prime Minister's website has used the phrase "countries within a country" to describe the United Kingdom.’
I am not sure how much more evidence you need.
The UK Prime Ministers own website tells you that England, Scotland and Wales are indeed countries.
Education is important. | |
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| Is Europe turning ? on 09:06 - Dec 10 with 761 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Is Europe turning ? on 18:59 - Dec 9 by Kilkennyjack |
Try google …..
‘Since 1922, the United Kingdom has been made up of four countries: England, Scotland, Wales (which collectively make up Great Britain) and Northern Ireland (variously described as a country,[1] province,[2][3][4] jurisdiction[5] or region[6][7]). The UK Prime Minister's website has used the phrase "countries within a country" to describe the United Kingdom.’
I am not sure how much more evidence you need.
The UK Prime Ministers own website tells you that England, Scotland and Wales are indeed countries.
Education is important. |
Think you better tell the United Nations.
It does not recognise England Wales N Ireland and Scotland as sovereign nations/ countries.
It only recognises the United Kingdom as a sovereign nations.
The same goes for France, Spain, Germany and Italy which are all made up of an amalgamation for former Kingdoms, principalities, dukedoms and countries. Some like Germany and Italy only became countries as late as 1871 and 1861 respectively. | |
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| Is Europe turning ? on 09:07 - Dec 10 with 759 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Is Europe turning ? on 15:41 - Dec 9 by Kilkennyjack |
Its just the Sponsors name mun.
Its almost like thinking Aviva is some form of government in Ireland.
May Joseph, Mary, Jesus and the wee donkey help us …. 🙏🏼😳 |
The principality building society is Wales biggest building society and was named after the principality of Wales. | |
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| Is Europe turning ? on 09:51 - Dec 10 with 748 views | Whiterockin |
| Is Europe turning ? on 09:07 - Dec 10 by felixstowe_jack |
The principality building society is Wales biggest building society and was named after the principality of Wales. |
In 2003 they looked into changing the name because the knew it was politically incorrect.
Principality Building Society is considering a change of name as part of a brand review to develop a more modern Welsh brand.
The building society is one of Wales’s premier brands. In addition to its brand, Principality Building Society is also looking at overhauling its branch network.
The project is being overseen by Principality Building Society sales and marketing director Bill Mayne. He says: “We are looking to update the look and feel of our brand communications and branch environments to reflect what our brand is about.”
WPP-owned brand consultancy Enterprise IG has been appointed to conduct the review. Enterprise IG chairman (Europe) Terry Tyrrell says: “Everything is up for grabs, but it would be quite irresponsible just to ditch Principality because the name is politically incorrect. But we will be looking at Welshness and what Welshness means in the modern age.” The building society will also be doing more to promote its mutual status and redesigning its branches.
It is believed that once the brand review is concluded, Principality Building Society will also look to appoint an advertising agency. | | | |
| Is Europe turning ? on 10:32 - Dec 10 with 712 views | AnotherJohn |
| Is Europe turning ? on 18:59 - Dec 9 by Kilkennyjack |
Try google …..
‘Since 1922, the United Kingdom has been made up of four countries: England, Scotland, Wales (which collectively make up Great Britain) and Northern Ireland (variously described as a country,[1] province,[2][3][4] jurisdiction[5] or region[6][7]). The UK Prime Minister's website has used the phrase "countries within a country" to describe the United Kingdom.’
I am not sure how much more evidence you need.
The UK Prime Ministers own website tells you that England, Scotland and Wales are indeed countries.
Education is important. |
In Killy's worldview Ireland as a whole is a nation, sitting beside three other nations on the adjacent island. Of course in reality the British Isles comprise the nation state of the Republic of Ireland and the nation state of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The UK home countries are not nation states. They are not members (as separate entities) of the UN, Council of Europe, G7, G20, NATO, OECD, OSCE, and the WTO. They were not members of the EU. They are recognised individually by some sports governing bodies, but not the International Olympic Committee. Some who use nation to mean a cultural entity may count the home countries as nations, but I think this causes confusion with the more widespread usage of nation to mean nation state. For example, regarding confusion, take the the Six Nations Championship (rugby), which includes two nation states, one hybrid entity, and three UK home countries. The BBC is one of the biggest culprits for adding to the confusion.
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Have to hold my hands up and say my original post contained a mistake. which I now corrected. [Post edited 10 Dec 12:20]
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| Is Europe turning ? on 17:14 - Dec 10 with 578 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Is Europe turning ? on 09:51 - Dec 10 by Whiterockin |
In 2003 they looked into changing the name because the knew it was politically incorrect.
Principality Building Society is considering a change of name as part of a brand review to develop a more modern Welsh brand.
The building society is one of Wales’s premier brands. In addition to its brand, Principality Building Society is also looking at overhauling its branch network.
The project is being overseen by Principality Building Society sales and marketing director Bill Mayne. He says: “We are looking to update the look and feel of our brand communications and branch environments to reflect what our brand is about.”
WPP-owned brand consultancy Enterprise IG has been appointed to conduct the review. Enterprise IG chairman (Europe) Terry Tyrrell says: “Everything is up for grabs, but it would be quite irresponsible just to ditch Principality because the name is politically incorrect. But we will be looking at Welshness and what Welshness means in the modern age.” The building society will also be doing more to promote its mutual status and redesigning its branches.
It is believed that once the brand review is concluded, Principality Building Society will also look to appoint an advertising agency. |
Great post.
Game, set and match.
Thank you for your post. | |
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| Is Europe turning ? on 17:39 - Dec 10 with 558 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Is Europe turning ? on 09:07 - Dec 10 by felixstowe_jack |
The principality building society is Wales biggest building society and was named after the principality of Wales. |
I know you are not comfortable with the concept of time, but just cos something is named after something then that second thing does not have to exist today.
In this case the Building Society itself is named after the Principality of Wales that last existed in 1536.
Education is important. | |
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| Is Europe turning ? on 17:45 - Dec 10 with 553 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Is Europe turning ? on 10:32 - Dec 10 by AnotherJohn |
In Killy's worldview Ireland as a whole is a nation, sitting beside three other nations on the adjacent island. Of course in reality the British Isles comprise the nation state of the Republic of Ireland and the nation state of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The UK home countries are not nation states. They are not members (as separate entities) of the UN, Council of Europe, G7, G20, NATO, OECD, OSCE, and the WTO. They were not members of the EU. They are recognised individually by some sports governing bodies, but not the International Olympic Committee. Some who use nation to mean a cultural entity may count the home countries as nations, but I think this causes confusion with the more widespread usage of nation to mean nation state. For example, regarding confusion, take the the Six Nations Championship (rugby), which includes two nation states, one hybrid entity, and three UK home countries. The BBC is one of the biggest culprits for adding to the confusion.
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Have to hold my hands up and say my original post contained a mistake. which I now corrected. [Post edited 10 Dec 12:20]
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Wales, England and Scotland are all nations within the political sovereign state entity of United Kingdom.
They are nations.
Ireland is a nation.
Northern Ireland is a man made entity that has only existed 100 years.
Currently that is part of the United Kingdom.
The people will decide its future. | |
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| Is Europe turning ? on 17:52 - Dec 10 with 533 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Is Europe turning ? on 18:53 - Dec 9 by Kilkennyjack |
Incorrect.
Wales remains a nation. Just like ingerlund and Scotland.
Wales stopped being a Principality in 1536. |
I didn't say nation, or principlaity, maybe learn to read and/or ceomprehend.
Wales is NOT a sovereign nation though which is kind of important, we are not recognied by the UN. | | | |
| Is Europe turning ? on 19:34 - Dec 10 with 477 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Is Europe turning ? on 17:52 - Dec 10 by SullutaCreturned |
I didn't say nation, or principlaity, maybe learn to read and/or ceomprehend.
Wales is NOT a sovereign nation though which is kind of important, we are not recognied by the UN. |
My statement remains correct, Wales is factually a nation as is England.
These nations are part of a political union called the UK.
This does not make Wales or England any less of a nation.
If anyone suggests that Wales or Scotland or England are regions of the UK then they are wrong.
Likewise …. Wales is not a Principality.
Now go and enjoy the Swans smashing the Green Army. | |
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| Is Europe turning ? on 20:51 - Dec 10 with 448 views | AnotherJohn |
| Is Europe turning ? on 17:45 - Dec 10 by Kilkennyjack |
Wales, England and Scotland are all nations within the political sovereign state entity of United Kingdom.
They are nations.
Ireland is a nation.
Northern Ireland is a man made entity that has only existed 100 years.
Currently that is part of the United Kingdom.
The people will decide its future. |
Why are they nations? You do not say in what sense. They are clearly not nation states, which is what many people will assume you are saying if you use the word "nation". Why doesn't the academic literature use the term "nation" when it examines the devolved administrations? Why do the devolution Acts of Parliament not use that word? | | | |
| Is Europe turning ? on 21:51 - Dec 10 with 399 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Is Europe turning ? on 20:51 - Dec 10 by AnotherJohn |
Why are they nations? You do not say in what sense. They are clearly not nation states, which is what many people will assume you are saying if you use the word "nation". Why doesn't the academic literature use the term "nation" when it examines the devolved administrations? Why do the devolution Acts of Parliament not use that word? |
Back in 2011, the chairman of the BSI, Paul Woodman, said: “The ISO entry originated in a traditional understanding of the status of Wales as given in reference works such as the 1976 Oxford Illustrated Dictionary.
“Earlier this year we were alerted by the Welsh Government to the fact that the notion of Wales as a principality is now outdated, and that Wales should properly be considered a country.
“Having subsequently received an official statement to this effect from that Government, I wrote on behalf of BSI to the ISO Secretariat in Geneva to request that a change be made from principality to country at the first available opportunity.”
Clarified officially in 2011 by the international authority on this stuff, fair question though. 👍
But also fairly obvious for hundreds of years. | |
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| Is Europe turning ? on 08:49 - Dec 11 with 327 views | AnotherJohn |
| Is Europe turning ? on 21:51 - Dec 10 by Kilkennyjack |
Back in 2011, the chairman of the BSI, Paul Woodman, said: “The ISO entry originated in a traditional understanding of the status of Wales as given in reference works such as the 1976 Oxford Illustrated Dictionary.
“Earlier this year we were alerted by the Welsh Government to the fact that the notion of Wales as a principality is now outdated, and that Wales should properly be considered a country.
“Having subsequently received an official statement to this effect from that Government, I wrote on behalf of BSI to the ISO Secretariat in Geneva to request that a change be made from principality to country at the first available opportunity.”
Clarified officially in 2011 by the international authority on this stuff, fair question though. 👍
But also fairly obvious for hundreds of years. |
So ignored the question as usual - no mention of nation. | | | |
| Is Europe turning ? on 11:06 - Dec 11 with 291 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Is Europe turning ? on 08:49 - Dec 11 by AnotherJohn |
So ignored the question as usual - no mention of nation. |
The UK govt itself uses the term nations.
From October 2024 …. ‘The Council of the Nations and Regions (Welsh: Cyngor y Cenhedloedd a’r Rhanbarthau) is a quasi-intergovernmental political body in the United Kingdom’.
Perhaps you should inform the UK government that they are using the wrong terminology for this new Council….? 🤷♂️ | |
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| Is Europe turning ? on 13:18 - Dec 11 with 263 views | AnotherJohn |
| Is Europe turning ? on 11:06 - Dec 11 by Kilkennyjack |
The UK govt itself uses the term nations.
From October 2024 …. ‘The Council of the Nations and Regions (Welsh: Cyngor y Cenhedloedd a’r Rhanbarthau) is a quasi-intergovernmental political body in the United Kingdom’.
Perhaps you should inform the UK government that they are using the wrong terminology for this new Council….? 🤷♂️ |
This came out of a 2022 Labour Party Report prepared under the leadership of Gordon Brown. The Council was intended to improve communication between the devolved administrations and the UK Government, and originally entitled "The Council of the UK".. It is described on a Gov.UK webpage as a " forum that brings together governments and authorities with devolved responsibilities to determine actions for tackling some of the biggest and most cross-cutting challenges the country faces, on a structured and sustained basis." Note "the country" in singular form, meaning the UK. The Council was created by political decision rather than legislation, so there is still no legal constitutional basis for describing the territories overseen by the devolved administrations as nations. This is why political commentators call the forum a "quasi intergovernmental body. of the United Kingdom". Presumably, if there were an Act of establishment, somebody would have to decide whether N. Ireland was a nation or region, but this is deliberately left vague. Basically the current title of the forum is a sop to the nationalists that just adds to the terminological confusion about what are home countries and what are nation states. | | | |
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