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The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 22:23 - May 22 by Northernr
Yeh it does, and I don't seek to make excuses for them because I've spent the first 25 years of my life surrounded by cnts like Shropshire's biggest United fan on that documentary. Dead end people with dead end lives in dead end places, who live and work to get coked up watching "United" in the pub every weekend and then have a fight on the market place after. I've no time for any of them believe me.
As I said at the top of my post there is a proper 'fck you I'll do what I want' attitude in this country atm which you see manifest in all sorts of ways - rife shop lifting, playing your phone out loud on the tube etc. I hate it, hate it.
However, if you are doing a Netflix documentary on why this is generally, or what happened at that game specifically, you can't just spend 90 minutes going "look at these evil coked up baboons" while Mr Middle Class dad with his £3,000 ticket and the leader of Brent Council talk about how awful it all was without examining some of the causes and effects.
Like... who decided you could just be on Wembley Way, ticket or not, from 7am? Who decided the police would only be there from 3pm? This stuff was fcking obvious. How have we got ourselves to the point where we don't have enough police to cope your house gets burgled, your car gets nicked, or you've got an international football final taking place? You could have done an hour on that. You could have done an hour on the effect of social media, both in building momentum behind stuff like this, and the performative cntery it encourages. Were there people with fireworks shoved up their bum at Euro 96? Perhaps you'll tell me there were but I don't remember it.
And instead the doc just goes - look at these fcking scumbags. Well, yeh, there's always gonna be scumbags, particularly at football. You can't just stick a plastic fence round Wembley Stadium and have the police rock up late afternoon thinking that'll probably be fine and then just go "oh, well, scumbags" when it's not. You have to plan and mitigate better than that.
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I've not watched the doc yet but that did seem mad that anyone could go to Wembley that day, should have just been ticket holders and I'm pretty sure to get into boxpark at that point you needed a ticket as well. I needed a ticket to go to my local that day so they could control numbers
I remember watching the build up on Sky in the morning and seeing people there and we were saying this is going to kick off later as it was rammed and people were in a right state by lunchtime
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The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 00:54 - May 23 with 3373 views
The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 14:54 - May 22 by Northernr
Watched it this morning and, yeh, found it utterly grim and depressing in parts, and a lot of the 'give a fck about anybody else' attitude you just see out and about every day now. The "massive United fan" from Shrewsbury with the neck tats was great wasn't he? What a lad. That's the sort of cnt I get sat next to on planes.
I do think it skated over a few things though that might have been worth digging into over a a more in depth 3-4 parter, rather than just pointing and going "look at all these coked up animals" wrecking it for the middle class parents taking little Hugo to his first football game because they can afford to pay the £3,000+ some of the tickets were going for (to a bloody football match).
Off the top of my head...
- Kicking the game off at 8pm on a Sunday, for the benefit of television and commercial income, wasn't even touched on. There's a reason they stick high profile police games at 12 noon. Fcking football policing 1.1 but because it's better for TV and UEFA and McDonalds we're having it at 8pm. Obviously a fcking disastrous idea - there were pubs in London advertising 6am opening.
- Why, again in the name of commercialism and money, the perimeter of Wembley that used to be car and coach parks, is now some glorified box park, so you can't have a neutral area around the stadium for a big match like just about every other modern venue in the world hosting games like this. How and why has that been allowed to happen? The doc spends the first 10 minutes wnking itself to death over "historic Wembley stadium" "best stadium in the world" when every football fan will tell you it's an overrated, badly designed, rapidly decaying shthole where the best you can do is stick some temporary railings up at the bottom of a set of steps and hope they don't get charged. Is it even fit to host games like this? Head of Brent council who approved all that building was on but not asked about this, just talked about how awful it was having to wade through all those thugs to get to her complimentary seat.
- Why are safety critical roles at major sporting events in this country, involving anywhere up to around 100,000 people in a confined space, entrusted to fly-by-night private security firms, just grabbing any nightclub and pub doorman they can on minimum wage for four hours. What level of security and resistance do you expect from some poor bstrd who usually works the door at Ikea Wembley? This is a disaster waiting to happen at a lot of venues and events in this country - under qualified, can't be arsed stewards, getting paid fck all. Of course they're not going to give a fck, or be effective, if it goes off. It's nuts that we expect them to.
- Why have we allowed sporting events - cup finals, NFL, international tournaments - whatever, to get to the point where you are now needing hundreds of quid, and in this case thousands, to get in? We've clamped down on touts outside the ground, while actively promoted and encouraged legalised online touting from Viagogo and the likes, and given them carte blanche to just flog tickets for, in this case, upwards of £4,000. Who's got that sort of money for a football ticket? Not your normal football fans that's for sure. The kid who was interviewed who got up on the bus, bit of a herbert fine, but he said it "I can only dream of that sort of money, I got no chance of getting in". Did you think all of these people were just gonna go "ah never mind" and sit and watch it down the boozer? Some might, but lots of them were always going to come to London, on the booze and the coke. You've priced these people out, did you expect them to be fine with that?
- The absolute explosion in cocaine use in general and at sporting events.
- The shambolic policing of the event. Only rolling in from 3pm. Allowing people to congregate and drink on Wembley Way from 7am whether they had tickets or not. I mean, who's in charge of that? The police seem to have escaped criticism entirely. There was a bit at the end commending them for their bravery ffs. They fcked it. Should that situation arise again it would be policed completely differently which is a tacit admission that they ballsed it up.
- the point about the Covid lockdowns was made but not explored, the mood in the country when they were finally lifted was very much 'give a fck I'm fcking going for it'. Some of the QPR away days around that time were horrible - Peterborough. The point made above about leaving 20,000 seats empty for Covid protocols was, again, made but not explored at all. I mean, what a fcking ludicrous decision that was. 63,000 people in the stadium fine, oh and by the way street party outside before help yourselves, but 83,000 people oh God you're all gonna explode into a thousand covid pieces we can't have that. You've told everybody there's 20,000 empty seats in there, how d'ya think that's gonna go? There was a lot of that nonsense as Covid progressed - six people in the pub garden fine, seven straight to jail.
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All of the above, and more.
Looking on from afar, it really stands out to me these days the attitude around English football. Every time a goal is scored a sizeable chunk of each crowd are only interested in goading opposition fans rather than just enjoying the moment. Throat slitting gestures, offering out from 30 metres away etc., all while making no actual attempt to cross almost non existent barriers. In fact they seem to deliberately frequent the parts of grounds that best allow them to do this. Even the sheer amount of players who do the ear cupping bollocks when they score again reflects this sneering attitude. I assume with the crowds it is pent up anger, misery and frustration in their lives being released by the individuals involved.
The Southampton game last week was a good example. Just reached Wembley and what started as a handful of people going on the pitch turned into thousands, many of whom then couldn't just celebrate but had to go and taunt the away end and try to start something. You've just reached a Wembley final and this is your reaction? What is wrong with these people and why are they so unhappy that they feel the need to do this?
Maybe I've been away too long and it was always like this, but I find it absolutely cringeworthy watching this stuff these days. The fact that it often includes blokes older than me as well as kids under 12 is quite depressing.
Blind Freddy could see it was going to kick off if you allowed people to be there drinking all day. Decades on from Hillsborough and nothing has been learned.
On the ticket pricing, they seem to have successfully killed off touting here with a system where you can resell tickets online (have done it myself a couple of times recently for shows I was unable to make) and are only allowed to charge up to 10% above face value. The recent Taylor Swift concerts were a real test of this due to massive demand and it seemed to hold up well. In contrast last time she toured a few years ago tickets were going for huge sums. So in short, it can be done.
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The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 07:28 - May 23 with 3232 views
The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 22:23 - May 22 by Northernr
Yeh it does, and I don't seek to make excuses for them because I've spent the first 25 years of my life surrounded by cnts like Shropshire's biggest United fan on that documentary. Dead end people with dead end lives in dead end places, who live and work to get coked up watching "United" in the pub every weekend and then have a fight on the market place after. I've no time for any of them believe me.
As I said at the top of my post there is a proper 'fck you I'll do what I want' attitude in this country atm which you see manifest in all sorts of ways - rife shop lifting, playing your phone out loud on the tube etc. I hate it, hate it.
However, if you are doing a Netflix documentary on why this is generally, or what happened at that game specifically, you can't just spend 90 minutes going "look at these evil coked up baboons" while Mr Middle Class dad with his £3,000 ticket and the leader of Brent Council talk about how awful it all was without examining some of the causes and effects.
Like... who decided you could just be on Wembley Way, ticket or not, from 7am? Who decided the police would only be there from 3pm? This stuff was fcking obvious. How have we got ourselves to the point where we don't have enough police to cope your house gets burgled, your car gets nicked, or you've got an international football final taking place? You could have done an hour on that. You could have done an hour on the effect of social media, both in building momentum behind stuff like this, and the performative cntery it encourages. Were there people with fireworks shoved up their bum at Euro 96? Perhaps you'll tell me there were but I don't remember it.
And instead the doc just goes - look at these fcking scumbags. Well, yeh, there's always gonna be scumbags, particularly at football. You can't just stick a plastic fence round Wembley Stadium and have the police rock up late afternoon thinking that'll probably be fine and then just go "oh, well, scumbags" when it's not. You have to plan and mitigate better than that.
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The country has been governed for 14 years by self-entitled Etonian wànk-in-someone-elses-sock necroswinophiliacs. I'm actually surprised we're not in worse shape.
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The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 09:19 - May 23 with 3136 views
The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 07:28 - May 23 by GroveR
The country has been governed for 14 years by self-entitled Etonian wànk-in-someone-elses-sock necroswinophiliacs. I'm actually surprised we're not in worse shape.
We’ve become a nation where it’s always someone else’s fault. People should take responsibility for their own actions. “But people got so much more to deal with these days.” Really? More than our parents, grandparents….great grandparents? Do me a favour.
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The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 13:23 - May 23 with 2955 views
The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 09:19 - May 23 by JamesB1979
We’ve become a nation where it’s always someone else’s fault. People should take responsibility for their own actions. “But people got so much more to deal with these days.” Really? More than our parents, grandparents….great grandparents? Do me a favour.
People absolutely should take responsibility for their own actions. Unfortunately they don't. Then when they see the PM behaving how he likes they just think it's OK to do the same. BJ and his cronies set an awful example.
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The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 13:35 - May 23 with 2925 views
Everything now is done for the cameras and likes on social bloody media. The latest one seems to be the falling over the seats so they can put a photo on tic toc or some other such nonsense saying "scene's" or some other crap.
The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 22:23 - May 22 by Northernr
Yeh it does, and I don't seek to make excuses for them because I've spent the first 25 years of my life surrounded by cnts like Shropshire's biggest United fan on that documentary. Dead end people with dead end lives in dead end places, who live and work to get coked up watching "United" in the pub every weekend and then have a fight on the market place after. I've no time for any of them believe me.
As I said at the top of my post there is a proper 'fck you I'll do what I want' attitude in this country atm which you see manifest in all sorts of ways - rife shop lifting, playing your phone out loud on the tube etc. I hate it, hate it.
However, if you are doing a Netflix documentary on why this is generally, or what happened at that game specifically, you can't just spend 90 minutes going "look at these evil coked up baboons" while Mr Middle Class dad with his £3,000 ticket and the leader of Brent Council talk about how awful it all was without examining some of the causes and effects.
Like... who decided you could just be on Wembley Way, ticket or not, from 7am? Who decided the police would only be there from 3pm? This stuff was fcking obvious. How have we got ourselves to the point where we don't have enough police to cope your house gets burgled, your car gets nicked, or you've got an international football final taking place? You could have done an hour on that. You could have done an hour on the effect of social media, both in building momentum behind stuff like this, and the performative cntery it encourages. Were there people with fireworks shoved up their bum at Euro 96? Perhaps you'll tell me there were but I don't remember it.
And instead the doc just goes - look at these fcking scumbags. Well, yeh, there's always gonna be scumbags, particularly at football. You can't just stick a plastic fence round Wembley Stadium and have the police rock up late afternoon thinking that'll probably be fine and then just go "oh, well, scumbags" when it's not. You have to plan and mitigate better than that.
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Netflix documentaries are marginally better than Channel 5 documentaries.
hi, i have not read every post but my pennies worth is, the media made it seem in build up to games, that the area around wembley was a PARTY ZONE, they had camera stands and showed many images of fans, drinking and flares being used and knees up and all that excitable stuff. the tube is meant to be alcohol free zone and on the final day, i was working at a jubilee line station and from 11am almost every train going north had footy fans carrying boxes of beers, i don't recall seeing BTP about ( big matches they were always based at baker st, finchley road and of course wembley park stations) as the day wore on, trains were packed and excitement levels were building . about 630pm i saw a woman with a press pass lanyard and i aske d for it, she said " i left , there is major trouble at ground" first i heard of trouble. when i got home to watch match, my thoughts og going up changed, the chaos was on the screen and it was a riot zone. knowing there was near 30k seats encouraged many to go, the media building up party zone did n't help and LACK OF POLICING was a major cock up. reports said met police were not "booked" until 6pm, by then it was already a mess. BTP can remove open alcohol from people on tubes nut none were doing this. media and police could have made statement DO NOT COME WITHOUT TICKET AND NO ALCOHOL OUTSIDE GROUND. they didn;t as not news worthy?
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The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 14:05 - May 23 with 2869 views
The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 13:23 - May 23 by Juzzie
People absolutely should take responsibility for their own actions. Unfortunately they don't. Then when they see the PM behaving how he likes they just think it's OK to do the same. BJ and his cronies set an awful example.
But that again is something I don’t get. Because someone else does it, then I can do it. Although I don’t get how breaking Covid rules means I can smash up Wembley. How politicians behave has absolutely no impact on how I lead my life and treat people. If I’m looking for people to set as an example to my kids or who I looked up to when I was growing up, it wasn’t politicians!
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The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 14:06 - May 23 with 2854 views
The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 14:00 - May 23 by qprninja
Netflix documentaries are marginally better than Channel 5 documentaries.
yeh it's a big bone of contention in the industry that BBC etc have to stick to all sorts of rules that Netflix don't. The Fyre Festival doc, for instance, which was one of Netflix's biggest unscripted hits, wouldn't have been allowed on BBC, C4 etc because it was made by the PR firm involved in the festival so a clear and obvious conflict of interest/puff piece.
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The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 15:30 - May 23 with 2737 views
2 full pages and nobody answered the question we all want to know ,did that rocket explode in that guys asshole or not because I am hoping the answer is YES.
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The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 16:30 - May 23 with 2639 views
The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 14:02 - May 23 by themodfather
hi, i have not read every post but my pennies worth is, the media made it seem in build up to games, that the area around wembley was a PARTY ZONE, they had camera stands and showed many images of fans, drinking and flares being used and knees up and all that excitable stuff. the tube is meant to be alcohol free zone and on the final day, i was working at a jubilee line station and from 11am almost every train going north had footy fans carrying boxes of beers, i don't recall seeing BTP about ( big matches they were always based at baker st, finchley road and of course wembley park stations) as the day wore on, trains were packed and excitement levels were building . about 630pm i saw a woman with a press pass lanyard and i aske d for it, she said " i left , there is major trouble at ground" first i heard of trouble. when i got home to watch match, my thoughts og going up changed, the chaos was on the screen and it was a riot zone. knowing there was near 30k seats encouraged many to go, the media building up party zone did n't help and LACK OF POLICING was a major cock up. reports said met police were not "booked" until 6pm, by then it was already a mess. BTP can remove open alcohol from people on tubes nut none were doing this. media and police could have made statement DO NOT COME WITHOUT TICKET AND NO ALCOHOL OUTSIDE GROUND. they didn;t as not news worthy?
There’s a man who’s written a EIRF or two 😆
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The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 16:41 - May 23 with 2603 views
The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 14:08 - May 23 by Northernr
yeh it's a big bone of contention in the industry that BBC etc have to stick to all sorts of rules that Netflix don't. The Fyre Festival doc, for instance, which was one of Netflix's biggest unscripted hits, wouldn't have been allowed on BBC, C4 etc because it was made by the PR firm involved in the festival so a clear and obvious conflict of interest/puff piece.
I think they have a place for those who don't like "too much talking" or "detail", and prefer dramatic music and the same video clips repeated over and over instead of actual facts. The same people who ironically moan about the BBC's apparent lack of impartiality.
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The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 17:15 - May 23 with 2556 views
The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 13:35 - May 23 by Hayesender
Everything now is done for the cameras and likes on social bloody media. The latest one seems to be the falling over the seats so they can put a photo on tic toc or some other such nonsense saying "scene's" or some other crap.
Nothing seems to be just enjoying the moment
“Scenes” and a new one I’ve noticed is “Limbs”
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The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 17:29 - May 23 with 2519 views
The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 17:15 - May 23 by thame_hoops
“Scenes” and a new one I’ve noticed is “Limbs”
Ah yes limbs. If they wanna see proper "limbs" (stupid word) they should check out our FA cup replay win over Arsenal in 90. Collective intake of breath as the ball is played to the edge of the area, and then chaos in the rain as Kenny Sansoms shot hits the back of the net
The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 14:08 - May 23 by Northernr
yeh it's a big bone of contention in the industry that BBC etc have to stick to all sorts of rules that Netflix don't. The Fyre Festival doc, for instance, which was one of Netflix's biggest unscripted hits, wouldn't have been allowed on BBC, C4 etc because it was made by the PR firm involved in the festival so a clear and obvious conflict of interest/puff piece.
yeah some of that might change now when Netflix get sued for baby reindeer, which clearly no lawyer took more than a cursory glance at.
Bare bones.
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The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 17:47 - May 23 with 2465 views
The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 17:39 - May 23 by Antti_Heinola
yeah some of that might change now when Netflix get sued for baby reindeer, which clearly no lawyer took more than a cursory glance at.
They should get sued for this one TBH. Several thousand legacy English football fans carried out an "Attack on Wembley" and not one single person died or got seriously hurt. Why are they allowed to demonise us like this?
People will jump the fence at Glastonbury in a couple of weeks, good chance one or two will die, and nobody will make documentaries claiming it was "attacked" or come on here posting that the UK shouldn't be allowed to host festivals for years to come. And the media class wonders why we hate them.
"Someone despises me. That's their problem." Marcus Aurelius
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The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 06:24 - May 24 with 2214 views
The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 17:29 - May 23 by Hayesender
Ah yes limbs. If they wanna see proper "limbs" (stupid word) they should check out our FA cup replay win over Arsenal in 90. Collective intake of breath as the ball is played to the edge of the area, and then chaos in the rain as Kenny Sansoms shot hits the back of the net
Furlong's goal against Oldham would be ultimate limbage for me. Under the lights, final minutes, just after a massive save - the second that Clarke played the ball through you knew it was a goal, and yet, and yet, this is QPR.
It was like someone drawing back a curtain and giving you a tantalising glimpse of a world where you never have to play Port Vale and Chesterfield again.
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The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 09:58 - May 24 with 2061 views
The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 17:47 - May 23 by SheffieldHoop
They should get sued for this one TBH. Several thousand legacy English football fans carried out an "Attack on Wembley" and not one single person died or got seriously hurt. Why are they allowed to demonise us like this?
People will jump the fence at Glastonbury in a couple of weeks, good chance one or two will die, and nobody will make documentaries claiming it was "attacked" or come on here posting that the UK shouldn't be allowed to host festivals for years to come. And the media class wonders why we hate them.
Completely different. If some people jump the fence at Glastonbury and anyone dies, it certainly won't be for the same reasons as the EURO 2020 final
Shit but local
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The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 12:11 - May 24 with 1907 views
The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 09:58 - May 24 by QPunkR
Completely different. If some people jump the fence at Glastonbury and anyone dies, it certainly won't be for the same reasons as the EURO 2020 final
But no one died at the Euro 2020 final. Or even got seriously hurt. That's the difference. Crowd control at a massive football match got completely out of hand. People stormed the stadium. You had stewards opening doors and selling fake credentials to get ticketless fans in. And no one died. It's a collapse of infrastructure, security, stewarding, staffing.......But most of all, it's a lucky escape. In years gone by people would have died, had it been at the old Wembley with terracing people almost certainly would've died. And I like and am very much a pro-football terrace type, but you have to accept that the all-seater thing has very likely prevented deaths here. That is the story. Billing it as some unavoidable "attack" and blaming the "attackers" to me just stinks of The Sun/SYP/Tories collusion post-Hillsborough.
Similar thing happened at Brixton Academy a few months later.....2 dead, a young mum of 2 and a member of the door staff, and several in hospital....Not many self-loathing (Anglophobic?) media class types there though, so no Netflix inquest is required over that.
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"Someone despises me. That's their problem." Marcus Aurelius
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The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 12:26 - May 24 with 1887 views
The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 17:47 - May 23 by SheffieldHoop
They should get sued for this one TBH. Several thousand legacy English football fans carried out an "Attack on Wembley" and not one single person died or got seriously hurt. Why are they allowed to demonise us like this?
People will jump the fence at Glastonbury in a couple of weeks, good chance one or two will die, and nobody will make documentaries claiming it was "attacked" or come on here posting that the UK shouldn't be allowed to host festivals for years to come. And the media class wonders why we hate them.
not the best example (though appreciate thats not your point) as Glastonbury fencing is like a prison these days. Two layers of perimeter fencing which is almost like permanent fencing with car and foot patrols inbetween the two in case anyone makes it over one. They were going to lose their license years back over all the people climbing in, so they completely stamped it out.
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The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 12:29 - May 24 with 1883 views
The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 12:11 - May 24 by SheffieldHoop
But no one died at the Euro 2020 final. Or even got seriously hurt. That's the difference. Crowd control at a massive football match got completely out of hand. People stormed the stadium. You had stewards opening doors and selling fake credentials to get ticketless fans in. And no one died. It's a collapse of infrastructure, security, stewarding, staffing.......But most of all, it's a lucky escape. In years gone by people would have died, had it been at the old Wembley with terracing people almost certainly would've died. And I like and am very much a pro-football terrace type, but you have to accept that the all-seater thing has very likely prevented deaths here. That is the story. Billing it as some unavoidable "attack" and blaming the "attackers" to me just stinks of The Sun/SYP/Tories collusion post-Hillsborough.
Similar thing happened at Brixton Academy a few months later.....2 dead, a young mum of 2 and a member of the door staff, and several in hospital....Not many self-loathing (Anglophobic?) media class types there though, so no Netflix inquest is required over that.
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Maybe they were lucky that Wembley only had 67,000 in that day because if it was full there may well have been deaths or serious injuries?
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The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 12:30 - May 24 with 1879 views
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