| Jack Diamond 08:49 - Jan 10 with 9134 views | kingsburyR |
I see on the news that a "former" Sunderland player Jack Diamond was suspended from the club after being arrested for a rape/sexual assault charge in 2022.
He was cleared by a jury within a couple of hours of their deliberations.
On all reports Jack Diamond was cleared of any wrong doing yet the woman who made the now false accusations remains nameless or cannot be named for legal reasons.
It turns out this woman willing got into his bed, had an ongoing sexual relationship with the player and had become possessive.
His career is fu(ked now. If this is a false accusation why is she not being prosecuted?
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| Jack Diamond on 08:54 - Jan 10 with 7503 views | Rangersw12 |
Not enough rape victims come forward as it is so prosecuting them if their accuser is found not guilty isn't going to help is it !! |  | | |
| Jack Diamond on 09:08 - Jan 10 with 7418 views | wombat |
| Jack Diamond on 08:54 - Jan 10 by Rangersw12 |
Not enough rape victims come forward as it is so prosecuting them if their accuser is found not guilty isn't going to help is it !! |
double edged sword but the people who are accused loose everything or lives are changed forever , jobs gone , freinds gone , yet the false accuser gets away scott free something needs to be done about it |  |
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| Jack Diamond on 09:23 - Jan 10 with 7339 views | Northernr |
| Jack Diamond on 09:08 - Jan 10 by wombat |
double edged sword but the people who are accused loose everything or lives are changed forever , jobs gone , freinds gone , yet the false accuser gets away scott free something needs to be done about it |
Worked in the industry as a court reporter for a long time, and still very close mates with people who do work in legals, and like everything else in this country the whole thing is completely fcked.
They've closed down dozens of courts, and ones that are operating are operating with courtrooms closed, because of understaffing and cuts.
So, your first problem is it's taking now years for things to reach court in the first place, and people's lives are just left on hold and hanging there while they wait - both accusor and accused. It's completely unfair. I mean, whatever he might have done or not done, Gylfi Sigurdsson waited two years and then the case was just dropped, career over.
That's also particularly damaging to the quality of the trial and the evidence. Because if I'm questioning you under oath about what you did on December 9 - what mood were you in, how much had you had to drink, what was the purpose of this text message - you've got a fair chance of remembering. If I'm asking you the same questions about December 9, 2022, what hope have you got? You won't even remember having the bloody text conversation.
And all of this is particularly horrendous in rape cases where you've got a victim and an accused waiting months and months to get to court to then be asked about the intricate nuances of 'he said she said', very frequently via text and phone.
Chuck in dating apps - is tinder a dating app, or is it a hook up app? Do you 'basically know what you're getting into' by going on there?
Chuck in this ridiculous 'Insta' age we live in, where you've got people just out and about trying to snare themselves a footballer, and footballers who were basically pulled out of school at 12, stuck in a puppy farm, told they were a God and paid £30,000 a week+ from the age of 18...
Add in a jury - trying to explain to somebody's elderly white haired mother how grindr works...
And it's a disaster.
I'm sure people will happily twist this to whichever side of the culture war they like to bat for - there have been some horrendous malicious prosecutions from people who basically got dumped or rejected and are bitter about it. The Liam Allan case, for instance, was horrendous, because he did time, while the police had text messages from the girl to her friends saying how much she'd enjoyed it etc.
But then the statistics are horrendous - numbers vary by study but essentially 80% of rapes are not reported, and of those that are 1% end up in a successful conviction.
It's basically a broken system, and this bit of it is particularly terrible. |  | | |
| Jack Diamond on 09:32 - Jan 10 with 7294 views | wombat |
| Jack Diamond on 09:23 - Jan 10 by Northernr |
Worked in the industry as a court reporter for a long time, and still very close mates with people who do work in legals, and like everything else in this country the whole thing is completely fcked.
They've closed down dozens of courts, and ones that are operating are operating with courtrooms closed, because of understaffing and cuts.
So, your first problem is it's taking now years for things to reach court in the first place, and people's lives are just left on hold and hanging there while they wait - both accusor and accused. It's completely unfair. I mean, whatever he might have done or not done, Gylfi Sigurdsson waited two years and then the case was just dropped, career over.
That's also particularly damaging to the quality of the trial and the evidence. Because if I'm questioning you under oath about what you did on December 9 - what mood were you in, how much had you had to drink, what was the purpose of this text message - you've got a fair chance of remembering. If I'm asking you the same questions about December 9, 2022, what hope have you got? You won't even remember having the bloody text conversation.
And all of this is particularly horrendous in rape cases where you've got a victim and an accused waiting months and months to get to court to then be asked about the intricate nuances of 'he said she said', very frequently via text and phone.
Chuck in dating apps - is tinder a dating app, or is it a hook up app? Do you 'basically know what you're getting into' by going on there?
Chuck in this ridiculous 'Insta' age we live in, where you've got people just out and about trying to snare themselves a footballer, and footballers who were basically pulled out of school at 12, stuck in a puppy farm, told they were a God and paid £30,000 a week+ from the age of 18...
Add in a jury - trying to explain to somebody's elderly white haired mother how grindr works...
And it's a disaster.
I'm sure people will happily twist this to whichever side of the culture war they like to bat for - there have been some horrendous malicious prosecutions from people who basically got dumped or rejected and are bitter about it. The Liam Allan case, for instance, was horrendous, because he did time, while the police had text messages from the girl to her friends saying how much she'd enjoyed it etc.
But then the statistics are horrendous - numbers vary by study but essentially 80% of rapes are not reported, and of those that are 1% end up in a successful conviction.
It's basically a broken system, and this bit of it is particularly terrible. |
the police are as bad as the courts , they have the info of where the person is that time and day , they then dont act upon it , cctv proving a person was 60 miles away at the time of the alleged incident yet they dont contact the place ther person was for months . removing of personal stuff , computers , phones, laptops you name it , leaving the person to suffer work wise whiile they are waiting for an ansa n | |
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| Jack Diamond on 09:45 - Jan 10 with 7227 views | lightwaterhoop |
Sunderland have reinstated him so he should be able to pick up his career. | | | |
| Jack Diamond on 11:14 - Jan 10 with 7038 views | JordanFoster |
| Jack Diamond on 09:23 - Jan 10 by Northernr |
Worked in the industry as a court reporter for a long time, and still very close mates with people who do work in legals, and like everything else in this country the whole thing is completely fcked.
They've closed down dozens of courts, and ones that are operating are operating with courtrooms closed, because of understaffing and cuts.
So, your first problem is it's taking now years for things to reach court in the first place, and people's lives are just left on hold and hanging there while they wait - both accusor and accused. It's completely unfair. I mean, whatever he might have done or not done, Gylfi Sigurdsson waited two years and then the case was just dropped, career over.
That's also particularly damaging to the quality of the trial and the evidence. Because if I'm questioning you under oath about what you did on December 9 - what mood were you in, how much had you had to drink, what was the purpose of this text message - you've got a fair chance of remembering. If I'm asking you the same questions about December 9, 2022, what hope have you got? You won't even remember having the bloody text conversation.
And all of this is particularly horrendous in rape cases where you've got a victim and an accused waiting months and months to get to court to then be asked about the intricate nuances of 'he said she said', very frequently via text and phone.
Chuck in dating apps - is tinder a dating app, or is it a hook up app? Do you 'basically know what you're getting into' by going on there?
Chuck in this ridiculous 'Insta' age we live in, where you've got people just out and about trying to snare themselves a footballer, and footballers who were basically pulled out of school at 12, stuck in a puppy farm, told they were a God and paid £30,000 a week+ from the age of 18...
Add in a jury - trying to explain to somebody's elderly white haired mother how grindr works...
And it's a disaster.
I'm sure people will happily twist this to whichever side of the culture war they like to bat for - there have been some horrendous malicious prosecutions from people who basically got dumped or rejected and are bitter about it. The Liam Allan case, for instance, was horrendous, because he did time, while the police had text messages from the girl to her friends saying how much she'd enjoyed it etc.
But then the statistics are horrendous - numbers vary by study but essentially 80% of rapes are not reported, and of those that are 1% end up in a successful conviction.
It's basically a broken system, and this bit of it is particularly terrible. |
I recently attended an 'after-party' event with a number of west London based footballers. We walk into this room and I kid you not, 100+ females were just sitting on chairs waiting for the footballers to come in. It was like a meat market. At about 3am I ended up chatting to one of the women who was just sitting there, asking why she was still there, talking to no one at 3am. She said she was an office admin assistant and had to be up for work at 6 but wanted to shoot her shot.
It's basically they sit there, try and start a convo with a player in the hope it'll go somewhere. Utterly insane.
There was another instance where a player had a bit of controversy around an OnlyFans girl, however, his mother that had never left Senegal before, arrived on the morning it broke. The sheer panic as he realised he would have to explain to a very traditional thinking African middle-aged that you can go on your phone and buy explicit videos and images of females you like the look of. | | | |
| Jack Diamond on 11:27 - Jan 10 with 6979 views | LazyFan |
I once played Sunday football with someone who used to be in Watford reserves/youth team. He told me a story that back then they went out on a Saturday to a nightclub, and he was standing at the side watching the dance floor drinking his drink, when he was almost pushed over by several women who elbowed him out of the way to rush to the dance floor to grind up against the first teamers.
Footballers work real hard to win the jackpot contract job, top-looking talent are playing their game that night to hit the jackpot. For them, it is a job and they will play hard and fast as they have too. |  |
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| Jack Diamond on 11:50 - Jan 10 with 6879 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
Look at the England team, most of those guys are married with kids, they seem to have a support network around them.
The Premier League clubs seem much more switched on, having learnt the lesson of the Terry/Lampard/Morris escapades.
Apparently, the lower leagues are much worse for player behaviour. | | | |
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| Jack Diamond on 12:01 - Jan 10 with 6815 views | SheffieldHoop |
Isn't the culture war what motivated the police & CPS to pursue cases like this in the first place? I'd argue it's already been swung to one side. Cases like this are evidence of that. Would they have pursued this without any hope of prosecution 10-20 years ago? Almost certainly not.
Predictably these woke experiments are failing. It's important to use these fails as an opportunity to restore common sense. |  |
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| Jack Diamond on 12:03 - Jan 10 with 6807 views | SheffieldHoop |
| Jack Diamond on 11:50 - Jan 10 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Look at the England team, most of those guys are married with kids, they seem to have a support network around them.
The Premier League clubs seem much more switched on, having learnt the lesson of the Terry/Lampard/Morris escapades.
Apparently, the lower leagues are much worse for player behaviour. |
Haha they might be married with kids, but that doesn't stop them. | |
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| Jack Diamond on 12:05 - Jan 10 with 6805 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Jack Diamond on 11:50 - Jan 10 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Look at the England team, most of those guys are married with kids, they seem to have a support network around them.
The Premier League clubs seem much more switched on, having learnt the lesson of the Terry/Lampard/Morris escapades.
Apparently, the lower leagues are much worse for player behaviour. |
Not confident I’d recognise half our players in a nightclub let alone some girl trying to bag a footballer. If she really knew her stuff she’d be scouting lower league prospects rather than our lot who will mostly do well to get a L2 contract next season and most would pull a groin before it got anywhere anyway. | | | |
| Jack Diamond on 12:11 - Jan 10 with 6771 views | G_Ottershaw |
| Jack Diamond on 09:23 - Jan 10 by Northernr |
Worked in the industry as a court reporter for a long time, and still very close mates with people who do work in legals, and like everything else in this country the whole thing is completely fcked.
They've closed down dozens of courts, and ones that are operating are operating with courtrooms closed, because of understaffing and cuts.
So, your first problem is it's taking now years for things to reach court in the first place, and people's lives are just left on hold and hanging there while they wait - both accusor and accused. It's completely unfair. I mean, whatever he might have done or not done, Gylfi Sigurdsson waited two years and then the case was just dropped, career over.
That's also particularly damaging to the quality of the trial and the evidence. Because if I'm questioning you under oath about what you did on December 9 - what mood were you in, how much had you had to drink, what was the purpose of this text message - you've got a fair chance of remembering. If I'm asking you the same questions about December 9, 2022, what hope have you got? You won't even remember having the bloody text conversation.
And all of this is particularly horrendous in rape cases where you've got a victim and an accused waiting months and months to get to court to then be asked about the intricate nuances of 'he said she said', very frequently via text and phone.
Chuck in dating apps - is tinder a dating app, or is it a hook up app? Do you 'basically know what you're getting into' by going on there?
Chuck in this ridiculous 'Insta' age we live in, where you've got people just out and about trying to snare themselves a footballer, and footballers who were basically pulled out of school at 12, stuck in a puppy farm, told they were a God and paid £30,000 a week+ from the age of 18...
Add in a jury - trying to explain to somebody's elderly white haired mother how grindr works...
And it's a disaster.
I'm sure people will happily twist this to whichever side of the culture war they like to bat for - there have been some horrendous malicious prosecutions from people who basically got dumped or rejected and are bitter about it. The Liam Allan case, for instance, was horrendous, because he did time, while the police had text messages from the girl to her friends saying how much she'd enjoyed it etc.
But then the statistics are horrendous - numbers vary by study but essentially 80% of rapes are not reported, and of those that are 1% end up in a successful conviction.
It's basically a broken system, and this bit of it is particularly terrible. |
the book 'Defending the guilty' (978-0141042725) highlighted for me what a farce the law really is. i don't think the court gives a toss whether people are innocent or guilty as long as one side gets its 3pts. | | | |
| Jack Diamond on 13:18 - Jan 10 with 6518 views | Lblock |
| Jack Diamond on 12:05 - Jan 10 by Watford_Ranger |
Not confident I’d recognise half our players in a nightclub let alone some girl trying to bag a footballer. If she really knew her stuff she’d be scouting lower league prospects rather than our lot who will mostly do well to get a L2 contract next season and most would pull a groin before it got anywhere anyway. |
If she finds a striker let us know |  |
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| Jack Diamond on 13:19 - Jan 10 with 6506 views | Lblock |
| Jack Diamond on 09:23 - Jan 10 by Northernr |
Worked in the industry as a court reporter for a long time, and still very close mates with people who do work in legals, and like everything else in this country the whole thing is completely fcked.
They've closed down dozens of courts, and ones that are operating are operating with courtrooms closed, because of understaffing and cuts.
So, your first problem is it's taking now years for things to reach court in the first place, and people's lives are just left on hold and hanging there while they wait - both accusor and accused. It's completely unfair. I mean, whatever he might have done or not done, Gylfi Sigurdsson waited two years and then the case was just dropped, career over.
That's also particularly damaging to the quality of the trial and the evidence. Because if I'm questioning you under oath about what you did on December 9 - what mood were you in, how much had you had to drink, what was the purpose of this text message - you've got a fair chance of remembering. If I'm asking you the same questions about December 9, 2022, what hope have you got? You won't even remember having the bloody text conversation.
And all of this is particularly horrendous in rape cases where you've got a victim and an accused waiting months and months to get to court to then be asked about the intricate nuances of 'he said she said', very frequently via text and phone.
Chuck in dating apps - is tinder a dating app, or is it a hook up app? Do you 'basically know what you're getting into' by going on there?
Chuck in this ridiculous 'Insta' age we live in, where you've got people just out and about trying to snare themselves a footballer, and footballers who were basically pulled out of school at 12, stuck in a puppy farm, told they were a God and paid £30,000 a week+ from the age of 18...
Add in a jury - trying to explain to somebody's elderly white haired mother how grindr works...
And it's a disaster.
I'm sure people will happily twist this to whichever side of the culture war they like to bat for - there have been some horrendous malicious prosecutions from people who basically got dumped or rejected and are bitter about it. The Liam Allan case, for instance, was horrendous, because he did time, while the police had text messages from the girl to her friends saying how much she'd enjoyed it etc.
But then the statistics are horrendous - numbers vary by study but essentially 80% of rapes are not reported, and of those that are 1% end up in a successful conviction.
It's basically a broken system, and this bit of it is particularly terrible. |
The UK has been crumbling for about 20 years now.
Feels like COVID following hot on the heels of the great BREXIT divide has shattered the whole system.
Really sad. | |
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| Jack Diamond on 13:36 - Jan 10 with 6412 views | RBlock |
To answer the original question, in two parts - the fact that they were in a relationship and she willingly got into his bed is irrelevant. Marital rape just as illegal as any other, despite pre-existing relations.
Secondly, he wasn't found innocent. The jury doesn't determine that the offence didn't happen, just that it couldn't be proved beyond reasonable doubt. To prosecute her for an offence such as perverting the course of justice, you would have to be certain that it didn't happen and that's she has lied in her statement. [Post edited 10 Jan 14:56]
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| Jack Diamond on 13:55 - Jan 10 with 6335 views | Mick_S |
| Jack Diamond on 11:27 - Jan 10 by LazyFan |
I once played Sunday football with someone who used to be in Watford reserves/youth team. He told me a story that back then they went out on a Saturday to a nightclub, and he was standing at the side watching the dance floor drinking his drink, when he was almost pushed over by several women who elbowed him out of the way to rush to the dance floor to grind up against the first teamers.
Footballers work real hard to win the jackpot contract job, top-looking talent are playing their game that night to hit the jackpot. For them, it is a job and they will play hard and fast as they have too. |
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| Jack Diamond on 13:56 - Jan 10 with 6327 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Jack Diamond on 08:54 - Jan 10 by Rangersw12 |
Not enough rape victims come forward as it is so prosecuting them if their accuser is found not guilty isn't going to help is it !! |
Why not? Women - or men - making false accusations of rape, apart from malignantly damaging the lives of others, can also undermine, or at least complicate, the credibility of real rape cases/investigations and/or make it more difficult for genuine victims to come forward by clouding the politics. I think prison sentences for people like this can and probably should be handed down, and I believe occasionally have been.
Love may be a many-splendoured thing, but sex is a bloody minefield. [Post edited 10 Jan 14:01]
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| Jack Diamond on 14:00 - Jan 10 with 6311 views | Rangersw12 |
| Jack Diamond on 13:56 - Jan 10 by stainrods_elbow |
Why not? Women - or men - making false accusations of rape, apart from malignantly damaging the lives of others, can also undermine, or at least complicate, the credibility of real rape cases/investigations and/or make it more difficult for genuine victims to come forward by clouding the politics. I think prison sentences for people like this can and probably should be handed down, and I believe occasionally have been.
Love may be a many-splendoured thing, but sex is a bloody minefield. [Post edited 10 Jan 14:01]
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See Rblock's post explains it better than I ever would be able to | | | |
| Jack Diamond on 14:16 - Jan 10 with 6253 views | Juzzie |
| Jack Diamond on 13:36 - Jan 10 by RBlock |
To answer the original question, in two parts - the fact that they were in a relationship and she willingly got into his bed is irrelevant. Marital rape just as illegal as any other, despite pre-existing relations.
Secondly, he wasn't found innocent. The jury doesn't determine that the offence didn't happen, just that it couldn't be proved beyond reasonable doubt. To prosecute her for an offence such as perverting the course of justice, you would have to be certain that it didn't happen and that's she has lied in her statement. [Post edited 10 Jan 14:56]
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I was about to say the same thing.
There's a big distinction between "he actually didn't do it" and "it could not be proved he did".
Now, I'm not saying he did or didn't, I don't have that insight but having been a juror on a rape case some 15 years ago it's bloody complicated and a very difficult thing to prove. We had to give a verdict of 'not guilty', not because we thought he was innocent but because it could not be proved he did. 5 days of court boiled down to his word against hers. His story was just as plausible as hers. His defence cited that as a foreign national in the UK on a study visa she kept falling behind in her studies and had been warned by the university if she misses any more lectures/assignments she would be removed from the course and that would mean her visa revoked and she'd have to go back home. These are facts.
The day after she met this guy she overslept and missed her morning lecture.
The defence's suggestion was that she concocted the rape aspect (IIRC she reported it to the police a few days after the event) to avoid getting effectively deported.
If it could/was be proved Jack Diamond absolutely 100% didn't do it and that she basically made it all up then yes, she should be prosecuted and some women have been.
However, if it was a case of it could not be proved he did it then her anonymity must remain intact.
This doesn't help him if he absolutely didn't do it which, yes, is very unfair.
But as others have said, it's an unfair system.
I've actually been in situation when I've been out and about in Camden where I met/engaged with a girl and it's been basically clear it would become a 'sure thing', especially as both of us had been drinking, but then I've actually walked away. Yes, getting my wick dipped that night would have been great but do I want potentially a knock on the door a week or so later from the plod because she's cried rape? No thanks. It probably was highly unlikely but I just didn't want to take that risk.
I have women friends bemoaning "men aren't men anymore" because they're not being chatted up. Well, I've just given an example of why some blokes might not want to do so. |  | | |
| Jack Diamond on 14:58 - Jan 10 with 6168 views | Rangersw12 |
| Jack Diamond on 14:16 - Jan 10 by Juzzie |
I was about to say the same thing.
There's a big distinction between "he actually didn't do it" and "it could not be proved he did".
Now, I'm not saying he did or didn't, I don't have that insight but having been a juror on a rape case some 15 years ago it's bloody complicated and a very difficult thing to prove. We had to give a verdict of 'not guilty', not because we thought he was innocent but because it could not be proved he did. 5 days of court boiled down to his word against hers. His story was just as plausible as hers. His defence cited that as a foreign national in the UK on a study visa she kept falling behind in her studies and had been warned by the university if she misses any more lectures/assignments she would be removed from the course and that would mean her visa revoked and she'd have to go back home. These are facts.
The day after she met this guy she overslept and missed her morning lecture.
The defence's suggestion was that she concocted the rape aspect (IIRC she reported it to the police a few days after the event) to avoid getting effectively deported.
If it could/was be proved Jack Diamond absolutely 100% didn't do it and that she basically made it all up then yes, she should be prosecuted and some women have been.
However, if it was a case of it could not be proved he did it then her anonymity must remain intact.
This doesn't help him if he absolutely didn't do it which, yes, is very unfair.
But as others have said, it's an unfair system.
I've actually been in situation when I've been out and about in Camden where I met/engaged with a girl and it's been basically clear it would become a 'sure thing', especially as both of us had been drinking, but then I've actually walked away. Yes, getting my wick dipped that night would have been great but do I want potentially a knock on the door a week or so later from the plod because she's cried rape? No thanks. It probably was highly unlikely but I just didn't want to take that risk.
I have women friends bemoaning "men aren't men anymore" because they're not being chatted up. Well, I've just given an example of why some blokes might not want to do so. |
"I've actually been in situation when I've been out and about in Camden where I met/engaged with a girl and it's been basically clear it would become a 'sure thing', especially as both of us had been drinking, but then I've actually walked away. Yes, getting my wick dipped that night would have been great but do I want potentially a knock on the door a week or so later from the plod because she's cried rape? No thanks. It probably was highly unlikely but I just didn't want to take that risk."
Isn't the whole point that if she would be too intoxicated to consent it would be classed as rape ? And therefore she wouldn't have "cried rape" but would have thought she had been raped .
Maybe I'm over sensitive to this as my daughter is now 17 but you only have to be in a pub/club at last knockings to see how predatory men are when women are drunk | | | |
| Jack Diamond on 14:59 - Jan 10 with 6157 views | SheffieldHoop |
| Jack Diamond on 14:58 - Jan 10 by Rangersw12 |
"I've actually been in situation when I've been out and about in Camden where I met/engaged with a girl and it's been basically clear it would become a 'sure thing', especially as both of us had been drinking, but then I've actually walked away. Yes, getting my wick dipped that night would have been great but do I want potentially a knock on the door a week or so later from the plod because she's cried rape? No thanks. It probably was highly unlikely but I just didn't want to take that risk."
Isn't the whole point that if she would be too intoxicated to consent it would be classed as rape ? And therefore she wouldn't have "cried rape" but would have thought she had been raped .
Maybe I'm over sensitive to this as my daughter is now 17 but you only have to be in a pub/club at last knockings to see how predatory men are when women are drunk |
What about if he's also too intoxicated to consent?
This thread is about a lad who has been charged with raping a woman that the police & CPS already knew he didn't. There is no excuse for dragging people through the courts that you have no hope of convicting. Period. [Post edited 10 Jan 15:05]
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| Jack Diamond on 15:46 - Jan 10 with 5977 views | SheffieldHoop |
| Jack Diamond on 15:28 - Jan 10 by Rangersw12 |
I don't know the answer Phil hence why I didn't bother to answer and anyway you usually have this forum on strings so presumed you were on a wind up anyway 👍
As for consent with my middle son now 14 I will certainly be telling him what consent is and what's expected nowadays |
It's not about having anybody on strings. It's about correcting the falsehoods the users of this site are so in love with. I can totally understand why some people would get pissed off with my posting here, but that isn't my concern.
Good luck to your lad, it's tough out there for young men these days. Unless you're in the top 10% for attractiveness (And with dating apps, the pool you're competing in is mind-blowingly massive) you're going to struggle for much female attention anyway. | |
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