| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections 06:25 - Oct 20 with 4116 views | builthjack |
Just WOW.
The CON people had held the one since 1931.
Their will be some wet porridge in Felixtowe and Wirral this morning with all those tears dripping into it. |  |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 06:41 - Oct 20 with 3049 views | Dr_Winston |
Interestingly, Labour got fewer votes in Mid Bedfordshire last night than they did in the 2019 GE. The result appears to have been caused by Conservative voters just not bothering rather than switching to Labour.
Very similar story in Tamworth where Labour's vote only increased by less than 1000. They'll be publically bullish, but Starmer and Co will be wary that these are the kind of wins that can easily be overturned in a General Election. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 07:02 - Oct 20 with 3041 views | Scotia |
Incredible results really.
Let's hope that signals the beginning of the end for the current incarnation of the Tories. |  | | |
| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 07:07 - Oct 20 with 3040 views | Gwyn737 |
| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 06:41 - Oct 20 by Dr_Winston |
Interestingly, Labour got fewer votes in Mid Bedfordshire last night than they did in the 2019 GE. The result appears to have been caused by Conservative voters just not bothering rather than switching to Labour.
Very similar story in Tamworth where Labour's vote only increased by less than 1000. They'll be publically bullish, but Starmer and Co will be wary that these are the kind of wins that can easily be overturned in a General Election. |
All true but I don’t think you can compare turnout in a by-election to turnout in a general election.
For me, the risk is complacency. Although the swings were huge, we’re talking about disgraced Tory candidates coming off the back of a shambles of a conference.
Labour will never have their ducks so neatly in a row. | | | |
| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 07:20 - Oct 20 with 3036 views | Dr_Winston |
| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 07:07 - Oct 20 by Gwyn737 |
All true but I don’t think you can compare turnout in a by-election to turnout in a general election.
For me, the risk is complacency. Although the swings were huge, we’re talking about disgraced Tory candidates coming off the back of a shambles of a conference.
Labour will never have their ducks so neatly in a row. |
That's the thing tho. In terms of actual voters, there's not really been any kind of swing to Labour despite the current shambles in Westminster. People didn't decide to vote for Labour. They decided not to vote at all.
I don't think Labour will be complacent because as you say, they really can't afford to be. As it stands Starmer's tactic is probably the correct one. Be boring, promise as little as possible and let the Tories keep shooting themselves in the foot. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 07:23 - Oct 20 with 3034 views | Gwyn737 |
| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 07:20 - Oct 20 by Dr_Winston |
That's the thing tho. In terms of actual voters, there's not really been any kind of swing to Labour despite the current shambles in Westminster. People didn't decide to vote for Labour. They decided not to vote at all.
I don't think Labour will be complacent because as you say, they really can't afford to be. As it stands Starmer's tactic is probably the correct one. Be boring, promise as little as possible and let the Tories keep shooting themselves in the foot. |
And they won’t keep coming up against candidates like this one:
When he’s not telling hungry children to f*** off, he’s storming out of places like a four year old. | | | |
| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 09:14 - Oct 20 with 2997 views | onehunglow |
Truly pitiful.
You believe that don’t you . | |
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| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 12:01 - Oct 20 with 2932 views | Gwyn737 |
| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 09:14 - Oct 20 by onehunglow |
Truly pitiful.
You believe that don’t you . |
Me? Yes, it's easy to believe as it's true.
The post he shared telling parents they should f*** off if they have a £30 mobile phone contract the struggle to feed their kids was dispicable. (I won't share it due the language used but it's very easy to find).
Him stropping out of his opponent's winning speech is there for all to see. | | | |
| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 12:20 - Oct 20 with 2924 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 06:41 - Oct 20 by Dr_Winston |
Interestingly, Labour got fewer votes in Mid Bedfordshire last night than they did in the 2019 GE. The result appears to have been caused by Conservative voters just not bothering rather than switching to Labour.
Very similar story in Tamworth where Labour's vote only increased by less than 1000. They'll be publically bullish, but Starmer and Co will be wary that these are the kind of wins that can easily be overturned in a General Election. |
Apathy reigns supreme. I think people are finally cottoning on to the fact that a vote for any party is essentially a vote for the same thing. |  |
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| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 12:25 - Oct 20 with 2923 views | BillyChong |
Nadine Dorries (Mid Beds) was an appalling MP. Great to see people are taking this on board at the polls. Anderson and co next. | | | |
| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 12:52 - Oct 20 with 2891 views | Wingstandwood |
| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 12:25 - Oct 20 by BillyChong |
Nadine Dorries (Mid Beds) was an appalling MP. Great to see people are taking this on board at the polls. Anderson and co next. |
Any M.P who has no intention to serve his/her constituency should be out of the door A.S.A.P. I cannot understand how its allowed.
Off subject i.e. time flies it seems like only yesterday she was "I'm a celebrity get me out of here". It's been eleven years.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-20217901 |  |
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| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 13:55 - Oct 20 with 2845 views | builthjack |
| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 07:07 - Oct 20 by Gwyn737 |
All true but I don’t think you can compare turnout in a by-election to turnout in a general election.
For me, the risk is complacency. Although the swings were huge, we’re talking about disgraced Tory candidates coming off the back of a shambles of a conference.
Labour will never have their ducks so neatly in a row. |
Imagine if most Labour voters turned up to vote yesterday.
Only a few did and they smashed the Tory candidates.
Embarrassing for Slippery Sid. | |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 14:40 - Oct 20 with 2824 views | Boundy |
What a quandary it is for us Welsh folk , it seems as if National Labour are on course to win the next GE which will probably mean we will continue on this path of contrast sorrow led by donkeys in cardiff. | |
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| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 16:15 - Oct 20 with 2786 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 14:40 - Oct 20 by Boundy |
What a quandary it is for us Welsh folk , it seems as if National Labour are on course to win the next GE which will probably mean we will continue on this path of contrast sorrow led by donkeys in cardiff. |
It's not a quandary. The apathy we have seen in wales seems to be spreading in England, people stopping voting instead of changing their vote, no it;s not a quandaty, it's a disaster.
With so many people disenfranchsed the politcans can and will do as they please. Lets hope Starmers Labour are made of good enough stuff and don't go the way of the tories or Welsh Labour. | | | |
| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 16:45 - Oct 20 with 2740 views | trampie |
| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 16:15 - Oct 20 by SullutaCreturned |
It's not a quandary. The apathy we have seen in wales seems to be spreading in England, people stopping voting instead of changing their vote, no it;s not a quandaty, it's a disaster.
With so many people disenfranchsed the politcans can and will do as they please. Lets hope Starmers Labour are made of good enough stuff and don't go the way of the tories or Welsh Labour. |
Has any party had over 50% of the popular vote in any General Election in this country since the second world war ?, I doubt any party has in that timeframe. |  |
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| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 17:01 - Oct 20 with 2747 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 16:45 - Oct 20 by trampie |
Has any party had over 50% of the popular vote in any General Election in this country since the second world war ?, I doubt any party has in that timeframe. |
Well getting more than 49% of the electorate to actually vote would be a small success. At least in a GE there's usually 65-70% turnout. Maybe next GE we will see different figures, lower figures.
Has any winning party ever gotten 50% or more of the vote? Welsh Labour got 39.9% last time which means less than 20% of the total registered voters, voted Welsh labour.
More Welsh voters care about a GE than they do the Senedd. | | | |
| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 17:09 - Oct 20 with 2718 views | trampie |
| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 17:01 - Oct 20 by SullutaCreturned |
Well getting more than 49% of the electorate to actually vote would be a small success. At least in a GE there's usually 65-70% turnout. Maybe next GE we will see different figures, lower figures.
Has any winning party ever gotten 50% or more of the vote? Welsh Labour got 39.9% last time which means less than 20% of the total registered voters, voted Welsh labour.
More Welsh voters care about a GE than they do the Senedd. |
No party since the war in General Elections get over 50% of the popular vote so does that mean in your book that no party has a mandate to government this country ? and it's been like that for the best part of a hundred years. | |
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| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 08:05 - Oct 21 with 2628 views | PawelAbbott |
| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 17:01 - Oct 20 by SullutaCreturned |
Well getting more than 49% of the electorate to actually vote would be a small success. At least in a GE there's usually 65-70% turnout. Maybe next GE we will see different figures, lower figures.
Has any winning party ever gotten 50% or more of the vote? Welsh Labour got 39.9% last time which means less than 20% of the total registered voters, voted Welsh labour.
More Welsh voters care about a GE than they do the Senedd. |
I think most people have previously thought that the Welsh Assembly elections were rather irrelevant.
The 20mph limit has changed that. People will have woken up to the impact the WA has on their lives.
I think we will see a bigger turn out next time around | | | |
| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 08:51 - Oct 21 with 2593 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 17:09 - Oct 20 by trampie |
No party since the war in General Elections get over 50% of the popular vote so does that mean in your book that no party has a mandate to government this country ? and it's been like that for the best part of a hundred years. |
Complete failure of comprehension, it's ok I've been known to fail there too.
I never said that anybody had 50% of the popular vote, I said that the Senedd elections had never managed a 50% turnout.
In which case the Senedd can never claim to have a genuine mandate for anything whereas Wetsminster has a mandate even if it's not a "stonking mandate"
The lowest trnout for a GE since WW1 was actually in 1918 @57.2% which is almost 8% more than the Senedd elections have ever managed in it's 20 years.
Like I said, maybe after 13 years of this tory government the turnout will hit a new record low because, if the tory vote is anything to go by, they can't bring themselves to vote Labour or Libdem so they just didn't vote, the labour turnout was also low so maybe the apathy we've seen in Wales has spread.
This is why we need radical change in our political classes because right now they get free reign, they aren't given the shallacking they deserve for their incometence, negligence and outright chicanery. | | | |
| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 09:23 - Oct 21 with 2559 views | trampie |
| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 08:51 - Oct 21 by SullutaCreturned |
Complete failure of comprehension, it's ok I've been known to fail there too.
I never said that anybody had 50% of the popular vote, I said that the Senedd elections had never managed a 50% turnout.
In which case the Senedd can never claim to have a genuine mandate for anything whereas Wetsminster has a mandate even if it's not a "stonking mandate"
The lowest trnout for a GE since WW1 was actually in 1918 @57.2% which is almost 8% more than the Senedd elections have ever managed in it's 20 years.
Like I said, maybe after 13 years of this tory government the turnout will hit a new record low because, if the tory vote is anything to go by, they can't bring themselves to vote Labour or Libdem so they just didn't vote, the labour turnout was also low so maybe the apathy we've seen in Wales has spread.
This is why we need radical change in our political classes because right now they get free reign, they aren't given the shallacking they deserve for their incometence, negligence and outright chicanery. |
I'm talking about your past record of virtually every election you seem to be saying that the winning party didn't get 50% of the total vote and me telling you that is normal that the winning party nearly always doesn't get over 50% of the vote, because not everyone votes and multiple parties competing.
You seem to have thought that you had hit on something but it is the norm, after Thatchers landslide win in 1983 do you think she didn't have a mandate because she did not have over 50% of the total possible vote ? | |
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| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 09:41 - Oct 21 with 2569 views | Dr_Winston |
| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 13:55 - Oct 20 by builthjack |
Imagine if most Labour voters turned up to vote yesterday.
Only a few did and they smashed the Tory candidates.
Embarrassing for Slippery Sid. |
Most Labour voters did turn up. As many as usually do in a General election. Very few of the Tories did. Which is why they lost. That is unlikely to happen in a GE.
That's the point. That is why Starmer will be taking nothing for granted. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 10:15 - Oct 21 with 2546 views | Fireboy2 |
| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 09:41 - Oct 21 by Dr_Winston |
Most Labour voters did turn up. As many as usually do in a General election. Very few of the Tories did. Which is why they lost. That is unlikely to happen in a GE.
That's the point. That is why Starmer will be taking nothing for granted. |
As you say, KS is keeping quiet atm letting the tories fvck themselves, I suspect he will be a tad more vocal in the run up to the election reeling off the reams of sh!te these lot have done over the last 13 years. |  | | |
| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 10:43 - Oct 21 with 2537 views | raynor94 |
| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 10:15 - Oct 21 by Fireboy2 |
As you say, KS is keeping quiet atm letting the tories fvck themselves, I suspect he will be a tad more vocal in the run up to the election reeling off the reams of sh!te these lot have done over the last 13 years. |
The quieter the better, he just comes across as so bland and boring.
We will never have a better chance of winning an election, I just hope Corbyn and his cronies stay schtum |  |
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| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 11:44 - Oct 21 with 2515 views | max936 |
| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 12:20 - Oct 20 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Apathy reigns supreme. I think people are finally cottoning on to the fact that a vote for any party is essentially a vote for the same thing. |
This in spades, 100% |  |
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| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 11:46 - Oct 21 with 2508 views | max936 |
| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 12:52 - Oct 20 by Wingstandwood |
Any M.P who has no intention to serve his/her constituency should be out of the door A.S.A.P. I cannot understand how its allowed.
Off subject i.e. time flies it seems like only yesterday she was "I'm a celebrity get me out of here". It's been eleven years.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-20217901 |
Her and the word celebrity are worlds apart, you got to wonder what Boris saw in her  | |
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| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 12:25 - Oct 21 with 2498 views | builthjack |
| Labour overturn huge majorities to win both by elections on 09:41 - Oct 21 by Dr_Winston |
Most Labour voters did turn up. As many as usually do in a General election. Very few of the Tories did. Which is why they lost. That is unlikely to happen in a GE.
That's the point. That is why Starmer will be taking nothing for granted. |
That's just guesswork. you, or I, haven't a clue who turned up and who didn't. All we know about is the ones who did turn up. | |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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