| What we wish for - Preview on 10:24 - Feb 18 with 1352 views | CateLeBonR |
“Thoroughly QPR’d”
Classic. Do they sell T-shirts? |  | |  |
| What we wish for - Preview on 10:46 - Feb 18 with 1299 views | johnhoop |
| What we wish for - Preview on 10:24 - Feb 18 by CateLeBonR |
“Thoroughly QPR’d”
Classic. Do they sell T-shirts? |
I want one with R from Afar’s words in the first comment under the Sunderland Match Report
Someone make it stop. Please. |  | | |
| What we wish for - Preview on 10:58 - Feb 18 with 1250 views | OldPedro |
| What we wish for - Preview on 23:10 - Feb 17 by qprd |
"1 - You're on the hook for £1.8m a month, every month, starting this month in 11 days' time. Eight years of austerity under Hoos has only managed to wrestle it down that far."
I do think Lee Hoos' importance re: the budget is grossly overstated
Yes, he probably introduced some efficiencies early in his tenure- things like cutting out staff, reducing budgets for advertising, etc etc. Once those efficiencies are achieved, the rest of the business of a club is largely out of his control.
Grossly oversimplified, any business is a mix of revenues and costs:
On the revenue side, we may make money through:
1. Ticket sales (which are largely consistent year on year)
2. Sales of merch (not really moving the needle one way or the other)
3. TV revenues (out of QPRs control as the tv contracts are negotiated at a player level)
4. Player sales
On the cost side, there are:
1. Overhead costs- ticketing office, various staff etc- as pointed out earlier, we probably are down to bare bones, so there's likely no fat to trim
2. game day costs- same as above
3. players' wages
in short, lee hoos now has little control over varialbes 1-3 on the revenue side (and to the extent he does, his impact is negligible) and 1-2 on the cost side
The biggest movers of the needle are player sales and player wages. On player wages, QPR is presumably given a budget to spend on salaries and transfer fees. However, within this, Les has an incredible amount of scope to influence how much we're recouping or losing. Similarly, he is the one overseeing our ability to (i) buy low and sell high and (ii) develop academy players for sale
Les Ferdinand has repeatedly made mistakes- bar a few players like Eze, Freeman, etc, we are not selling many players for profits. We've wasted opportunities to sell players like Manning and BOS, whose contracts ran out
Moreover, Les has really botched managing the costs on the playing side. Just as an example, he could've loaned out or sold Bonne in September. Instead, he kept a player who was likely on decent wages, just around and rotting on the bench. The few hundred grand of wages we paid him would be pretty handy.
les gets slated for the football side- but id argue hes just as responsible for the budget/FFP issues as he is for the crap on the pitch |
"Moreover, Les has really botched managing the costs on the playing side. Just as an example, he could've loaned out or sold Bonne in September. Instead, he kept a player who was likely on decent wages, just around and rotting on the bench."
I'm sure Clive has previously reported that we had agreed to release Bonne in August (which would have allowed us to loan in Jamal Lowe earlier), but that at the last minute, Bonne's agent demanded significantly more money and the deals feel apart.
As always when trying to get rid of players, you need to either pay them off or find someone wiling to loan/buy them. |  |
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| What we wish for - Preview on 11:01 - Feb 18 with 1225 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
Staggering that any of this team are giving it the large un. In an extremely poor league, they've won one in 16 and been turned over by Fleetwood in the cup. If I were them, I'd be wearing Groucho Marx masks when out in public and hoping no-one recognised me. [Post edited 18 Feb 2023 11:03]
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| What we wish for - Preview on 11:43 - Feb 18 with 1112 views | Blue_Castello |
| What we wish for - Preview on 07:42 - Feb 18 by johnhoop |
There are two ways in which the owners can go. They can sell the club to someone who wants to buy it but as Clive has so succinctly pointed out, with the level of debt and operating costs that the club incurs you’d either have to be financially illiterate or so wealthy that you could afford to wave goodbye to tens of millions without any prospect of seeing a return on it.
Or, they simply pull the plug and decide they’ve had enough of pouring money into a black hole in which case the club will cease to exist because bucket collections aren’t going to raise two million a month. At the moment they’re bailing out a very leaky boat and to many of us it feels right they should do it because of the appalling mess they made of our chances in the Premier League. But as businessmen you have to wonder just how much longer they’ll be prepared to keep pouring money down the drain. [Post edited 18 Feb 2023 7:43]
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Jeez this is the bottom line , there are only two options in respect of the owners and as we don't live in Never Never land or some fairy tale then we can forget new owners......
The chances of them pulling the plug and walking away should not be ignored.... | | | |
| What we wish for - Preview on 12:19 - Feb 18 with 1023 views | qprd |
| What we wish for - Preview on 10:58 - Feb 18 by OldPedro |
"Moreover, Les has really botched managing the costs on the playing side. Just as an example, he could've loaned out or sold Bonne in September. Instead, he kept a player who was likely on decent wages, just around and rotting on the bench."
I'm sure Clive has previously reported that we had agreed to release Bonne in August (which would have allowed us to loan in Jamal Lowe earlier), but that at the last minute, Bonne's agent demanded significantly more money and the deals feel apart.
As always when trying to get rid of players, you need to either pay them off or find someone wiling to loan/buy them. |
That might be true but why were we in that situation? If he wasn’t in Beales plan why did we leave it until the last minute, allowing ourselves to get screwed like thiis?
All agents are going to seek out more from their clubs . It just consistently seems like we’re on the losing end of these negotiations | | | |
| What we wish for - Preview on 12:24 - Feb 18 with 1003 views | Blue_Castello |
| What we wish for - Preview on 12:19 - Feb 18 by qprd |
That might be true but why were we in that situation? If he wasn’t in Beales plan why did we leave it until the last minute, allowing ourselves to get screwed like thiis?
All agents are going to seek out more from their clubs . It just consistently seems like we’re on the losing end of these negotiations |
How about because the agent and player were playing the long game, trying to screw as much money out of us as possible, unfortunately that's the way it works now, they have all the power, he knew if he stayed he was on a good contract so just wanted to screw us for more money. | | | |
| What we wish for - Preview on 12:25 - Feb 18 with 991 views | mart_Goblin |
| What we wish for - Preview on 22:31 - Feb 17 by NorthantsHoop |
Some really resonating points here Clive. The club is run and supported by mainly the Baby Boom generation, I am one of them. We remember the rise in the 70s, the super football of the Venables era etc, but QPR is a bit like our country now failing, the old baby boomers had great access to the NHS, housing, free University education, final salary pensions etc. QPR are a mirror of this, the football world has moved on, but we are harking back to an era when everything was better because it was being supplied to us, no questions asked. We have never moved on and are just in a vortex of inertia. [Post edited 17 Feb 2023 22:34]
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“Vortex of inertia”
What an album that was |  | | |
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| What we wish for - Preview on 12:35 - Feb 18 with 944 views | R_from_afar |
| What we wish for - Preview on 09:06 - Feb 18 by R_from_afar |
There’s no guarantee that if we drop down a division, everything will suddenly click, but there is a guarantee that the club would be poorer.
There’s also no guarantee that new owners would be better generally or achieve more success.
I’ll openly admit that the player development side of things is not delivering and that the future of the stadium has been botched then swept under the carpet, but I don’t remember many people saying things weren’t working in October when we were top. Granted, we have fallen apart since.
I think it’s appalling that a player is openly slagging off the manager. In all walks of life, managers aren’t employed to be liked, they are employed because they are supposedly capable. You could well argue that Critchley and his coaches aren’t demonstrating that they are capable but then our wonderful players had stopped delivering for Beale too. It’s probably difficult to like managers or coaches when they keep telling you you need to do the football basics, like marking, tackling, shooting accurately, tracking back and concentrating. Here’s a news flash for our darling players: Start doing those things and then the boring lectures will stop.
It’s about time our squad showed some professional pride and stopped sulking but I expect we will have to sack Critchley long before that happens,
Something which is really worrying is that often, even when teams are on a shocking run, at least in some games, you see one or two players having a good game. That doesn’t seem to be happening, which tells me that there is a lack of effort and desire. It’s rare that players who have shown that they can perform are out of form for extended periods.
It’s a concern and I don’t know what the answer is, but Critchley, Brunskill and Garrity will take the hit for it unless the team confounds everyone and serves up some wins in the next few games. Grrrrr |
Oh and one other thing which struck me about our current plight: Opponents aren’t having to do clever things to score against us. They can just plug away and wait for the moment when we inevitably neglect to do the basics 
Anyone *can* tackle, mark, block shots, track back or score a goal and in a good team, players will be willing to do whatever is necessary for the collective good. |  |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| What we wish for - Preview on 13:18 - Feb 18 with 832 views | steveo04 |
The Taylor Richards tweet ( now deleted) adding more to the poo show that happening in front of our eyes | | | |
| What we wish for - Preview on 13:40 - Feb 18 with 781 views | eastside_r |
| What we wish for - Preview on 13:18 - Feb 18 by steveo04 |
The Taylor Richards tweet ( now deleted) adding more to the poo show that happening in front of our eyes |
What did it say? |  | | |
| What we wish for - Preview on 13:46 - Feb 18 with 772 views | Rangersw12 |
| What we wish for - Preview on 13:40 - Feb 18 by eastside_r |
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| What we wish for - Preview on 14:22 - Feb 18 with 682 views | distortR |
| What we wish for - Preview on 08:17 - Feb 18 by Northernr |
Joe, do you know what, you're exactly right, as is Northolt above. If I'm not willing to release the name I should have shut up about it.
I've deleted the line, which I know is pretty pointless because the genie is out of the bottle now, but I regretted saying it, I haven't slept with the anxiety over it, so all I can do is remove the line and come here and apologise to you.
I was very angry last week about a number of things I heard about the players and I wanted to publish as much as I could but I should have either put up or shut up. I've let my passion and anger as a fan override what I know about journalistic standards and practices, so I apologise to you guys I should have been a bit savvier and a lot more sensible about it. It's been a long week one way or another, I put my hands up, I was wrong to post that. |
mate, love the work you do for us, and I'm sorry it's causing you so much stress.
There's a bit of 'friends reunited' about this site, apart from all the great writing. Love it. | | | |
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