| Is this really "exciting football"? 17:32 - Dec 4 with 11982 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar |
Once again, our possession of the ball was more than double that of our opponents.
Yet, once again, we only just managed to convert our colossal domination of the ball into more attacks than our opponents
From 67% possession, we yielded just 113 attacks. Yet, from just 33% possession, Middlesbrough yielded 104 attacks.
We had 103% more possession of the ball, yet attempted only 9% more attacks throughout the game. That's scandalous and certainly isn't "exciting football" in my opinion.
It is little wonder we have so many clean sheets despite having such a nonsensical defensive approach. Imagine how many more attacks teams would achieve against us if we weren't aimlessly keeping possession amongst our 5 centre backs for a significant portion of the match.
This isn't exciting football. Too many Swansea City supporters equate possession with "exciting football". I'm hesitant to use the word brainwashed, but some supporters have certainly been conditioned to think this way. [Post edited 4 Dec 2021 17:33]
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| Is this really "exciting football"? on 16:27 - Dec 5 with 1255 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Is this really "exciting football"? on 14:46 - Dec 5 by Thornburyswan |
Exciting . . . . no, not at this point anyway, but for me, more enjoyable & offers more potential than last few seasons.
That said the potential is caveated with a dependency on the next 2 windows plus the assumption that our American owners continue backing the required additions (& exits in order to balance the books) through those windows.
For me we currently have a weaker squad, both in terms of replacements vs departees & in terms of depth/bench options than last season plus we are looking to play in a different way - we need a better keeper, at least one ball playing CB, RWB, more goals from the central 3 midfielders, different ‘10’ option & unless either Obafemi or Whittaker can buy into the RM model a further striker. We also lack pace anywhere on the pitch so get caught to easily on the counter & struggle to break at pace ourselves not to mention we lack meaningful set piece threat. So a LOT for Messrs Martin, Allen & Winter to work on in January & the summer. |
Agreed, good post Thornbury. |  | | |
| Is this really "exciting football"? on 16:56 - Dec 5 with 1212 views | builthjack |
| Is this really "exciting football"? on 15:49 - Dec 5 by Dr_Parnassus |
He’s trying to have a team which keeps possession regardless of if it benefits the result?
There isn’t much to show he is trying to turn that possession into regular and direct attacks at the moment.
There was for a period of a few games, but it looks like it’s been scrapped again. Inexplicably. |
You don't seem to understand the word patience. I would guess that perhaps you haven't got any. |  |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Is this really "exciting football"? on 17:19 - Dec 5 with 1184 views | onehunglow |
| Is this really "exciting football"? on 16:27 - Dec 5 by Treforys_Jack |
Agreed, good post Thornbury. |
So it's down to potential then.
That clears it up then.
Out it another way.
HOPE |  |
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| Is this really "exciting football"? on 19:14 - Dec 5 with 1145 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Is this really "exciting football"? on 16:56 - Dec 5 by builthjack |
You don't seem to understand the word patience. I would guess that perhaps you haven't got any. |
Understand the word, disagree with its application. |  |
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| Is this really "exciting football"? on 19:16 - Dec 5 with 1145 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Is this really "exciting football"? on 16:11 - Dec 5 by magicdaps10 |
Now that made no sense, I would be very worried if it did in your head.
Now if that's what comes out of your mouth and then you make that 9 step claim THEN I am happy not being up to speed with that kind of idiocity. Glad I am on the same step as the ones who are understating and in the real world.
Now get some sleep, you are posting on here at 2am and that is not a good sign at all. |
Which bit didn’t make sense to you? Happy to explain.
You made a post.
I told you the post didn’t make sense.
You said because I replied to the post then it must have.
I informed you the reply was to tell you it didn’t make sense.
It’s pretty simple. | |
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| Is this really "exciting football"? on 19:29 - Dec 5 with 1148 views | Catullus |
| Is this really "exciting football"? on 15:41 - Dec 5 by magicdaps10 |
It's over your head, don't worry on it then.
Even bullshit can be contradicted. |
It's not over his head. he understands what plan A was, especially when he started a thread asking if it was dead.
Long balls vs forced short passing - is plan A dead? by Dr_Parnassus 20 Oct 2021 23:41So we finally now find ourselves in a bit of form.
But there has been a notable shift from 800 passes a game with no willingness to go long to a more mixed direct approach which many were calling for very early on.
An earlier conversation got me thinking, is plan A now dead? For me that would be extremely encouraging.
I will work out the figures now, will post them regardless. But my money is on a distinct downturn in short balls and possession in our wins compared to our ‘non wins’. Here they are:-
Our 4 wins this season:-
Possession: 62.7%
Long ball %: 12.5%
Our 9 winless games this season:-
Possession: 67.2%
Long ball %: 8.1%
Doing these stats it was actually striking how poorly we perform when restricted to short passing.
That’s a 35% decrease in short passes in our wins vs the games we don’t win. That’s gigantic. Our possession also noticeably less in our wins.
It’s very interesting from a statistical stand point that our wins correlate with a more direct approach and I wonder if the Swansea analysts are earning their money and fed that to Martin. There does seem a distinct change.
I’m very grateful that despite what we were told by some, Martin is adaptable and can absolutely bin his plan A when it clearly isn’t bearing fruit.
Deserves credit for that, without question.
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| Is this really "exciting football"? on 19:36 - Dec 5 with 1142 views | KeithHaynes |
| Is this really "exciting football"? on 15:08 - Dec 5 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
What is his brand of football?
Nobody saw it as MK Dons as he abruptly left them whilst they were still in their "transitional period", and we are yet to see it here as apparently he does not yet have the players capable of playing his brand of football.
So again I ask, what is his brand of football? |
It’s happening week to week. Come January we will see more. |  |
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| Is this really "exciting football"? on 19:37 - Dec 5 with 1129 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Is this really "exciting football"? on 19:29 - Dec 5 by Catullus |
It's not over his head. he understands what plan A was, especially when he started a thread asking if it was dead.
Long balls vs forced short passing - is plan A dead? by Dr_Parnassus 20 Oct 2021 23:41So we finally now find ourselves in a bit of form.
But there has been a notable shift from 800 passes a game with no willingness to go long to a more mixed direct approach which many were calling for very early on.
An earlier conversation got me thinking, is plan A now dead? For me that would be extremely encouraging.
I will work out the figures now, will post them regardless. But my money is on a distinct downturn in short balls and possession in our wins compared to our ‘non wins’. Here they are:-
Our 4 wins this season:-
Possession: 62.7%
Long ball %: 12.5%
Our 9 winless games this season:-
Possession: 67.2%
Long ball %: 8.1%
Doing these stats it was actually striking how poorly we perform when restricted to short passing.
That’s a 35% decrease in short passes in our wins vs the games we don’t win. That’s gigantic. Our possession also noticeably less in our wins.
It’s very interesting from a statistical stand point that our wins correlate with a more direct approach and I wonder if the Swansea analysts are earning their money and fed that to Martin. There does seem a distinct change.
I’m very grateful that despite what we were told by some, Martin is adaptable and can absolutely bin his plan A when it clearly isn’t bearing fruit.
Deserves credit for that, without question.
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I wasn’t questioning what “Plan A” was.
I was asking what the sentence:-
“Some fans labelled Martin's style of football with only a Plan A”.
Means.
I’d go back to pretending to ignore me if I were you. | |
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| Is this really "exciting football"? on 19:38 - Dec 5 with 1135 views | Catullus |
| Is this really "exciting football"? on 19:36 - Dec 5 by KeithHaynes |
It’s happening week to week. Come January we will see more. |
it's not just about seeing more though, Keith, we want to see better. We need more goal threat; we need more pace. We need a better defence too! | |
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| Is this really "exciting football"? on 19:46 - Dec 5 with 1127 views | KeithHaynes |
| Is this really "exciting football"? on 19:38 - Dec 5 by Catullus |
it's not just about seeing more though, Keith, we want to see better. We need more goal threat; we need more pace. We need a better defence too! |
We will see more in January. | |
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| Is this really "exciting football"? on 19:59 - Dec 5 with 1108 views | nantywatcher |
| Is this really "exciting football"? on 19:46 - Dec 5 by KeithHaynes |
We will see more in January. |
You're obviously happy with the thought of Mr Martin with a cheque book at his disposal. I'm not. Over 4 months I've seen nothing to suggest he knows the difference between a good footballer and an ordinary one who looks good in a few odd highlights. | | | |
| Is this really "exciting football"? on 20:04 - Dec 5 with 1097 views | KeithHaynes |
| Is this really "exciting football"? on 19:59 - Dec 5 by nantywatcher |
You're obviously happy with the thought of Mr Martin with a cheque book at his disposal. I'm not. Over 4 months I've seen nothing to suggest he knows the difference between a good footballer and an ordinary one who looks good in a few odd highlights. |
He would never be in charge of any cheque book at Swansea. The last two years of how we recruit and at what level, who is involved, the process, including possibly 25 plus articles on here either haven’t registered or your not bothering to read them. | |
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| Is this really "exciting football"? on 20:06 - Dec 5 with 1092 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Is this really "exciting football"? on 19:59 - Dec 5 by nantywatcher |
You're obviously happy with the thought of Mr Martin with a cheque book at his disposal. I'm not. Over 4 months I've seen nothing to suggest he knows the difference between a good footballer and an ordinary one who looks good in a few odd highlights. |
Ntcham, Patterson, Downes , who were you expecting Messi or Ronaldo ? | | | |
| Is this really "exciting football"? on 20:10 - Dec 5 with 1082 views | nantywatcher |
| Is this really "exciting football"? on 20:04 - Dec 5 by KeithHaynes |
He would never be in charge of any cheque book at Swansea. The last two years of how we recruit and at what level, who is involved, the process, including possibly 25 plus articles on here either haven’t registered or your not bothering to read them. |
A "turn of phrase."
Are you suggesting that transfer business would proceed without his 'rubber stamping." Surely not. | | | |
| Is this really "exciting football"? on 20:22 - Dec 5 with 1054 views | Dr_Parnassus |
The signings made this season is actually one of the bright points. I can’t remember such a clutch of successful additions.
Man management and refusal to learn are my two question marks with him. Making progress and then going back to what we already learned doesn’t work.
Frustrating. | |
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| Is this really "exciting football"? on 20:24 - Dec 5 with 1054 views | KeithHaynes |
| Is this really "exciting football"? on 20:10 - Dec 5 by nantywatcher |
A "turn of phrase."
Are you suggesting that transfer business would proceed without his 'rubber stamping." Surely not. |
No, but as I said we have had so many features on how the swans do their business, the process, the people involved, the decision making. From Andy Scott’s process of evaluation to Mark Allen’s meetings with Scott, Martin ( or whoever ) Winter, the behind the scenes information gathering on the player, his family, habits, disciplinary, monetary situation, etc. You should check them out. We spent a lot of time sourcing the best and accurate information for each article. No one person is involved, it’s a combined decision making process based on many many factors. And in professional business nobody with a vested interest would be overlooked in the final decision. | |
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| Is this really "exciting football"? on 20:40 - Dec 5 with 1041 views | jasper_T |
| Is this really "exciting football"? on 13:47 - Dec 5 by KeithHaynes |
That’s a fact.
I don’t fly over twice a week.
Still have a season, don’t use it tho.
Donate it most games to a worthy cause.
However, the OP asked the question ‘ Is this exciting football’ I think it’s better than we have seen for some years, what do you think ? |
Definitely not more exciting that what we saw under Potter. Compared to Cooper it's 'doing nothing with the ball' vs 'doing nothing without the ball' for the longest periods, and waiting for a player to come up with a moment of magic for our breakthroughs. Two sides of the same coin.
While I'm all for possession, and even passing for passing's sake, it has been a bit dull. If we need better players to play the Martin system as he envisions it, then I worry about how we can improve. If Martin needs specialists that is rarely cheap. Centrebacks that can defend wide areas and step into midfield don't tend to stay in the Championship long. | | | |
| Is this really "exciting football"? on 21:39 - Dec 5 with 1019 views | Treforys_Jack |
I think we're all hoping and optimistic this is the start of something better whereas Coopers tactics were pretty much the finished article. Maybe, who really knows, I'm definitely enjoying it more, just trying to work out exactly why? | | | |
| Is this really "exciting football"? on 21:53 - Dec 5 with 1013 views | magicdaps10 |
| Is this really "exciting football"? on 21:39 - Dec 5 by Treforys_Jack |
I think we're all hoping and optimistic this is the start of something better whereas Coopers tactics were pretty much the finished article. Maybe, who really knows, I'm definitely enjoying it more, just trying to work out exactly why? |
Think the fact that for the last 2 years of mind numbingly boring Cooper ball will have a lot to do with it 🤔😂 |  |
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| Is this really "exciting football"? on 22:34 - Dec 5 with 970 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Is this really "exciting football"? on 21:39 - Dec 5 by Treforys_Jack |
I think we're all hoping and optimistic this is the start of something better whereas Coopers tactics were pretty much the finished article. Maybe, who really knows, I'm definitely enjoying it more, just trying to work out exactly why? |
Not sure we can say it was the finished article.
He wasn’t given any decent transfer funds and was progressing the league finish and play off progression year on year.
Martin has had the benefit of millions spent this year and people are still wanting millions more.
Coopers average spend to bring in his own players was £1m per season.
This year we have spent £4.7m alone. In Potters season we spent £6m. | |
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| Is this really "exciting football"? on 22:40 - Dec 5 with 967 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Is this really "exciting football"? on 21:53 - Dec 5 by magicdaps10 |
Think the fact that for the last 2 years of mind numbingly boring Cooper ball will have a lot to do with it 🤔😂 |
Certainly people’s stance against Cooper is a big part of why so much leeway is being given to sub par performances this season. Criticism will be seen as an acknowledgment that things haven’t improved so it’s avoided like the plague.
We could be bottom of the league and I’m sure people would still be pretending it’s great. That’s why when we were looking at a battle down the bottom earlier in the season, we had the “wouldn’t mind relegation” posts.
Martin currently has the easiest job in the world, he can produce anything and people will still push the narrative that this is great and part of some incredible vision, a vision that of course nobody can critique because it hasn’t happened yet…
The stark reality is any long term goal is monitored and assessed on short term goals. It’s not a “set and forget” scenario, it requires constant monitoring to ensure we are on track and there is a steady upward trajectory towards that goal.
We have regressed in recent weeks and it absolutely should be talked about regardless of how uncomfortable it makes people. | |
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| Is this really "exciting football"? on 07:58 - Dec 6 with 885 views | Thornburyswan |
| Is this really "exciting football"? on 17:19 - Dec 5 by onehunglow |
So it's down to potential then.
That clears it up then.
Out it another way.
HOPE |
Scarily enough that is what all sport - & a lot of life - is about, put the hard work in, believe in what you are doing & give it your best shot after that a touch of hope/luck & the occasional bounce of the ball going your way makes it happen.
Or as a famous golfer once said ‘the harder I practice the luckier I get’ | | | |
| Is this really "exciting football"? on 08:06 - Dec 6 with 879 views | magicdaps10 |
| Is this really "exciting football"? on 07:58 - Dec 6 by Thornburyswan |
Scarily enough that is what all sport - & a lot of life - is about, put the hard work in, believe in what you are doing & give it your best shot after that a touch of hope/luck & the occasional bounce of the ball going your way makes it happen.
Or as a famous golfer once said ‘the harder I practice the luckier I get’ |
Hit the nail on the head, unfortunately there are people in this world who are so full of self importance that they feel they are on higher ground than most and are the end of the world of all knowledge.
We should be up competing with Citeh and Liverpool listening to how some on here go on. | |
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| Is this really "exciting football"? on 08:11 - Dec 6 with 873 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Is this really "exciting football"? on 08:06 - Dec 6 by magicdaps10 |
Hit the nail on the head, unfortunately there are people in this world who are so full of self importance that they feel they are on higher ground than most and are the end of the world of all knowledge.
We should be up competing with Citeh and Liverpool listening to how some on here go on. |
Then start listening and learning to those people is my advice. | |
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| Is this really "exciting football"? on 08:42 - Dec 6 with 855 views | magicdaps10 |
| Is this really "exciting football"? on 08:11 - Dec 6 by Dr_Parnassus |
Then start listening and learning to those people is my advice. |
I hear it but it's madness and stupidity......i am 9 steps behind those clowns thank goodness. | |
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