| Compare and contrast - Preview on 18:16 - Oct 27 with 803 views | PinnerPaul |
| Compare and contrast - Preview on 17:35 - Oct 27 by Lblock |
Surely you've got to question the approach of the club on BOS etc?
No?
Right. Okay. Ostracise your better players, cause issues in whole squad, lose players for a pittance (relatively speaking) and meanwhile torpedo your ability to win games as we slip down the table and into a malaise..... again.
Love this club man, love it. |
More likely to cause issues in the squad by making an exception for 1 player and paying him the highest wage while everyone knows he wants to leave.
Presume YOUR solution was either
a) Pay him what he wants then watch him leave
b) Let him run down his contract and then watch him leave
Both seem pretty stupid options to me |  | |  |
| Compare and contrast - Preview on 18:18 - Oct 27 with 797 views | PinnerPaul |
| Compare and contrast - Preview on 17:53 - Oct 27 by daveB |
I think it's a daft approach by the club, he's contracted to play for us till next summer, if he doesn't extend then fine he goes and we get compensation but to say we won't play you anymore seems a bit childish
As I said earlier I got it with Manning as I'm guessing they thought it would help force his hands with no other interest but with Bright after the window has shut seems to be cutting off your nose to spite your face |
but if a player clearly wants to leave - could be in 8 weeks time - he's hardly going to be relied upon for 100% effort is he? | | | |
| Compare and contrast - Preview on 18:20 - Oct 27 with 795 views | PinnerPaul |
| Compare and contrast - Preview on 18:06 - Oct 27 by daveB |
How does that work in practice though when you have a model of the club developing the player then selling on, of course long term that player wants to play elsewhere it's how we sold the club to them in the first place |
If it was a 'long term' view in BOS' case, then why not sign a contract? | | | |
| Compare and contrast - Preview on 18:22 - Oct 27 with 790 views | loftboy |
And they wonder why people are falling out of love with the game. |  |
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| Compare and contrast - Preview on 18:38 - Oct 27 with 754 views | Lblock |
| Compare and contrast - Preview on 18:09 - Oct 27 by BrianMcCarthy |
What would you do, LB?
We have no idea whether he's point-blank refusing to sign, whether we're low-balling him or what's gone on.
So all we know is these were our options.
Sell him - we tried that and he wouldn't join the only club who wanted him.
Get him to sign a new contract - we've been trying that for months.
Bust our wage structure - we've tried that before.
So the only question is play him as his contract runs out or park him up.
What would you do? |
I'd play him!
He needs to be man-managed properly.
Could you really see a wily old fox of a Manager being played like this publicly? Top Managers will get the best out of their players even if it's the last game they're due to play for the club.
I hear all the woes about him not giving 100% but what about if he's encouraged to keep doing his stuff and increase his value and next weekly take home from next club?
The club ceetainly deserves the reputation it's been dragging around for years, it's a farkin farce. |  |
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| Compare and contrast - Preview on 18:39 - Oct 27 with 754 views | Myke |
I called out the clubs double standards re BOS and Manning from the very start. Very little comfort in being proved right if, as now appears to be the case, it comes back to bite them. If they had left BOS out too, he would have being sold before deadline day too and not for £250,000 either. Maybe not for the £4.7M we would have got from Bruges, but for a damn sight more than the compo we will receive. | | | |
| Compare and contrast - Preview on 18:43 - Oct 27 with 747 views | paulparker |
LB Is right
The board made the stupid decision to appoint Mclaren who wasted a year of BOS at QPR
Maybe if that wouldn’t of happened and we had another of year of Holloway working with him he may have signed a contract earlier
Apart from Eze we haven’t sold anyone for big money( and we should of got more imo) and we are 5 years into this project
Manning
Smithies
Freeman
Austin
Robinson
Luango
Bidwell
Hall
Have all pretty much left on free of for a pittance |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| Compare and contrast - Preview on 18:48 - Oct 27 with 737 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Compare and contrast - Preview on 18:38 - Oct 27 by Lblock |
I'd play him!
He needs to be man-managed properly.
Could you really see a wily old fox of a Manager being played like this publicly? Top Managers will get the best out of their players even if it's the last game they're due to play for the club.
I hear all the woes about him not giving 100% but what about if he's encouraged to keep doing his stuff and increase his value and next weekly take home from next club?
The club ceetainly deserves the reputation it's been dragging around for years, it's a farkin farce. |
Ah, Warnock!
I'm undecided:
First of all we don't know who's causing the blockage.
Second, playing a contract rebel (if that's what he is) might cause more damage in the dressing room than benching him. We don't know that either.
I think the club's being run very well at the minute, but I'm undecided on this one. |  |
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| Compare and contrast - Preview on 18:49 - Oct 27 with 730 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Compare and contrast - Preview on 18:39 - Oct 27 by Myke |
I called out the clubs double standards re BOS and Manning from the very start. Very little comfort in being proved right if, as now appears to be the case, it comes back to bite them. If they had left BOS out too, he would have being sold before deadline day too and not for £250,000 either. Maybe not for the £4.7M we would have got from Bruges, but for a damn sight more than the compo we will receive. |
"If they had left BOS out too, he would have being sold before deadline day too
and not for £250,000 either.
Maybe not for the £4.7M we would have got from Bruges, but for a damn sight more than the compo we will receive."
We don't know any of those three things either, Myke. | |
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| Compare and contrast - Preview on 19:08 - Oct 27 with 712 views | Myke |
| Compare and contrast - Preview on 18:49 - Oct 27 by BrianMcCarthy |
"If they had left BOS out too, he would have being sold before deadline day too
and not for £250,000 either.
Maybe not for the £4.7M we would have got from Bruges, but for a damn sight more than the compo we will receive."
We don't know any of those three things either, Myke. |
You are right Brian. But to me it's a fairly logical piece of deduction. Treat both players the same and you get the same result. Only with a higher fee received for BOS for all the previous reasons discussed as nauseum on Manning thread(s) | | | |
| Compare and contrast - Preview on 19:54 - Oct 27 with 683 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Compare and contrast - Preview on 19:08 - Oct 27 by Myke |
You are right Brian. But to me it's a fairly logical piece of deduction. Treat both players the same and you get the same result. Only with a higher fee received for BOS for all the previous reasons discussed as nauseum on Manning thread(s) |
But they're different cases requiring different approaches.
For a start we would get compo for BOS next year but not for Manning.
Also, we were told previously that Manning and BOS were at different stages in negotiations, and the club's position (as said twice on the offish tonight) is that they won't play players who refuse to sign. Manning refused and was left out. Now we have been told tonight that BOS has refused, and he's been left out.
I see the as two completely different cases. In my opinion we were 100% right to sack Manning off. I'm not sure about BOS yet. More info will follow to us, I'm sure. | |
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| Compare and contrast - Preview on 21:16 - Oct 27 with 640 views | Myke |
| Compare and contrast - Preview on 19:54 - Oct 27 by BrianMcCarthy |
But they're different cases requiring different approaches.
For a start we would get compo for BOS next year but not for Manning.
Also, we were told previously that Manning and BOS were at different stages in negotiations, and the club's position (as said twice on the offish tonight) is that they won't play players who refuse to sign. Manning refused and was left out. Now we have been told tonight that BOS has refused, and he's been left out.
I see the as two completely different cases. In my opinion we were 100% right to sack Manning off. I'm not sure about BOS yet. More info will follow to us, I'm sure. |
Fair enough Brian, we could debate it forever and still not agree. To me they were identical cases; two young players in the final year of their contracts, refusing to sign new ones. IMO the only difference was that the club considered BOS a more valuable 'asset' so took a kids glove approach to him not signing. They appeared to be of the opinion that Manning was the more dispensable - ironic considering subsequent results, including tonights debacle - and took a tougher stance with him.
However, you are right, I am only speculating. But what would have ended the speculation is if the club said, 'you do not play for the first team again until the ink is dry on the new contract, and that contract must be signed by x date'. Never mind the nonsense about who seemed the most 'likely' to sign. At least then there would be no ambiguity for the players, club or fans. Whether we were happy with the final outcome or not, at least it would have been black and white. | | | |
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