| And so it begins on 23:16 - Aug 21 with 4744 views | WadR |
Agreed. Smith had a poor game but he's 19 and it's his second game ever at this level, certainly doesn't justify the hyperbole I heard at the game and seen on twitter. Heard similar things re:Amos v Huddersfield.
Last season we had 0 points after 4 games and looked atrocious. Despite that we were never really in danger of getting relegated and even had a fleeting flirtation with the top half.
Yes results are important but at this stage I'm more concerned by performances and, even in the last 2 defeats, there's plenty to suggest there's the makings of a good team. |  | |  |
| And so it begins on 23:24 - Aug 21 with 4700 views | queensparker |
Every since my very earliest
games where I heard poor old Mike Fillery and Tony Sealy get it in the neck week in week out someone always has to have a target.
Early favourites:
Barbet (Evens) - Pansy, can’t defend, Brentford c–t
Amos - (2-1) Shit hair, Spurs c–t, get involved
Smith (4-1) - Get stuck in, get Chair on,
Hugill (10-1) - F-cking close him down, get in there, shoot you tw-t [Post edited 22 Aug 2019 1:27]
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| And so it begins on 23:40 - Aug 21 with 4611 views | Match82 |
| And so it begins on 23:16 - Aug 21 by WadR |
Agreed. Smith had a poor game but he's 19 and it's his second game ever at this level, certainly doesn't justify the hyperbole I heard at the game and seen on twitter. Heard similar things re:Amos v Huddersfield.
Last season we had 0 points after 4 games and looked atrocious. Despite that we were never really in danger of getting relegated and even had a fleeting flirtation with the top half.
Yes results are important but at this stage I'm more concerned by performances and, even in the last 2 defeats, there's plenty to suggest there's the makings of a good team. |
Thought Smith actually started brightly. There was one period in the first half where he linked together three of our attacking moves with a single touch in the space of about 3 minutes. Seemed to read the game on a different level. But he faded quickly and bottled a couple of challenges, he'll have to do more than that going forward. |  | | |
| And so it begins on 23:41 - Aug 21 with 4599 views | Match82 |
As for the crowd. My personal favourite was the bloke yelling at Lumley to "launch it forward you cnt". On about 35 minutes. When we only had two of our players over the halfway line and they had six men back already. | | | |
| And so it begins on 23:50 - Aug 21 with 4546 views | WadR |
| And so it begins on 23:40 - Aug 21 by Match82 |
Thought Smith actually started brightly. There was one period in the first half where he linked together three of our attacking moves with a single touch in the space of about 3 minutes. Seemed to read the game on a different level. But he faded quickly and bottled a couple of challenges, he'll have to do more than that going forward. |
Do agree. Clearly a classy player, some very deft touches early on. Just a very basic error for their first and then after that everything seemed to go wrong for him and was trying to hard to rectify it.
Hope the crowd gives him time and doesn't write him off. | | | |
| And so it begins on 00:40 - Aug 22 with 4423 views | oldmisery |
| And so it begins on 23:50 - Aug 21 by WadR |
Do agree. Clearly a classy player, some very deft touches early on. Just a very basic error for their first and then after that everything seemed to go wrong for him and was trying to hard to rectify it.
Hope the crowd gives him time and doesn't write him off. |
From the four games I've seen, it strikes me that Smith and Amos are very similar in style. Both are neat, technically proficient players who pass the ball well and find space to receive the ball from their colleagues but lack the physicality needed for the Championship. They remind me of latter day Little Tom Carroll's.
I'm not sure that we can really afford to play both of them in the same team otherwise we run the risk of being bullied by much bigger, stronger teams than Swansea. | | | |
| And so it begins on 00:58 - Aug 22 with 4380 views | robith |
Could be worse, guy in front of me spent the whole game shouted "Rangel, you're shIT" |  | | |
| And so it begins on 01:06 - Aug 22 with 4372 views | PeterHucker |
| And so it begins on 23:24 - Aug 21 by queensparker |
Every since my very earliest
games where I heard poor old Mike Fillery and Tony Sealy get it in the neck week in week out someone always has to have a target.
Early favourites:
Barbet (Evens) - Pansy, can’t defend, Brentford c–t
Amos - (2-1) Shit hair, Spurs c–t, get involved
Smith (4-1) - Get stuck in, get Chair on,
Hugill (10-1) - F-cking close him down, get in there, shoot you tw-t [Post edited 22 Aug 2019 1:27]
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You must've started going to Rangers arrive the same time as me.
I was only a kid but can any of the older fans on here explain why Fillery used to get such a lot of grief. Yes I know he was ex Chelsea but it wasn't just that was it?
I thought he was pretty good.
Used to go to Portsmouth quite a bit as well in the 80s and they didn't like Fillery when he played for them either. |  | | |
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| And so it begins on 01:54 - Aug 22 with 4329 views | VancouverHoop |
| And so it begins on 00:40 - Aug 22 by oldmisery |
From the four games I've seen, it strikes me that Smith and Amos are very similar in style. Both are neat, technically proficient players who pass the ball well and find space to receive the ball from their colleagues but lack the physicality needed for the Championship. They remind me of latter day Little Tom Carroll's.
I'm not sure that we can really afford to play both of them in the same team otherwise we run the risk of being bullied by much bigger, stronger teams than Swansea. |
Agreed. Chair is surely ready for one of the CM places, and maybe leave Pugh in the other until Amos or Smith gain a bit more confidence. | | | |
| And so it begins on 02:12 - Aug 22 with 4314 views | Pommyhoop |
Dunno about Wigan Dave.
But WBA is a 'must-win"  |  |
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| And so it begins on 03:30 - Aug 22 with 4267 views | smegma |
| And so it begins on 00:58 - Aug 22 by robith |
Could be worse, guy in front of me spent the whole game shouted "Rangel, you're shIT" |
That's probably why Angel was sat in the directors box all game !! | | | |
| And so it begins on 07:00 - Aug 22 with 4098 views | distortR |
| And so it begins on 01:06 - Aug 22 by PeterHucker |
You must've started going to Rangers arrive the same time as me.
I was only a kid but can any of the older fans on here explain why Fillery used to get such a lot of grief. Yes I know he was ex Chelsea but it wasn't just that was it?
I thought he was pretty good.
Used to go to Portsmouth quite a bit as well in the 80s and they didn't like Fillery when he played for them either. |
micky fillery? have another g and 'kin t you fat caant!! | | | |
| And so it begins on 07:43 - Aug 22 with 3980 views | YorkRanger |
Like all clubs we have some fairly intolerant and uninformed fans. I never have and never will understand why anyone would heckle our own players, what can that achieve.
In terms of Smith he is clearly well thought of, but is a young lad developing his game. I do think the club has to take some responsibility for the raising of expectations when they hype up new signings. |  | | |
| And so it begins on 08:13 - Aug 22 with 3900 views | baz_qpr |
Smith was just a fish out of water in the position he played and as such most passes were backwards or sideways but I guess his job there is to lead the press |  | | |
| And so it begins on 08:14 - Aug 22 with 3892 views | californiahoop |
Amos and Smith are to similar, Chair to start for one of them, Barbet has made a few mistakes but the pairing with Hall has huge potential, I don’t know how but we have to find a way of getting Wells into the starting line up, we haven’t got enough goals in the team st present.
All of that said, really happy with the progress being made, MW and the lads needs another’s 10 odd games to bed in and learn each other’s games, 4 odd friendlies and 4 competitive games isn’t enough, for the first time last night, I saw a bit of panic on it he ball, give them time folks. | | | |
| And so it begins on 08:25 - Aug 22 with 3856 views | Pommyhoop |
| And so it begins on 23:24 - Aug 21 by queensparker |
Every since my very earliest
games where I heard poor old Mike Fillery and Tony Sealy get it in the neck week in week out someone always has to have a target.
Early favourites:
Barbet (Evens) - Pansy, can’t defend, Brentford c–t
Amos - (2-1) Shit hair, Spurs c–t, get involved
Smith (4-1) - Get stuck in, get Chair on,
Hugill (10-1) - F-cking close him down, get in there, shoot you tw-t [Post edited 22 Aug 2019 1:27]
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My earliest memory of the Rangers disease was this cockney duo who sat next to me and the old man...They looked and sounded like something out of minder.The bigger one called evryone of our players a c@nt at least once every game and the little one always agreed with him ala Phil Neal and Graham whatsisname? Turnip you know Turnip head.
Anyway, everyone had to burst out laughing when he didn't like one of Phil Parkes' kick outs and called him a 'long c@nt' | |
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| And so it begins on 08:55 - Aug 22 with 3772 views | stevec |
| And so it begins on 00:40 - Aug 22 by oldmisery |
From the four games I've seen, it strikes me that Smith and Amos are very similar in style. Both are neat, technically proficient players who pass the ball well and find space to receive the ball from their colleagues but lack the physicality needed for the Championship. They remind me of latter day Little Tom Carroll's.
I'm not sure that we can really afford to play both of them in the same team otherwise we run the risk of being bullied by much bigger, stronger teams than Swansea. |
That’s how I see it.
One thing that bothers me is what goes on at coaching level at the big clubs, I’m sort of seeing why so few youngsters elevate to their first teams.
Like something from the Stepford Wives, they all play the same way, no risk taking, very little carrying of the ball and seriously flustered by the prospect of being challenged.
They could do themselves a favour and check out Eze, Chair and BOS who are willing to take risks, run at players. Not blaming them, it’s their coaching system, but quite how we remain competitive whilst they get up to speed is worrying. |  | | |
| And so it begins on 09:01 - Aug 22 with 3745 views | DesertBoot |
Indeed it does...."Smith is S***!", "Eze you lazy b******"". "Hugil you're useless"....oh boy |  |
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| And so it begins on 09:45 - Aug 22 with 3618 views | swisscottage |
Personally I don't think Smith is ready for this level of football. I was not impressed on Saturday and even less so yesterday.
He might have shown the odd good touch, but far too often play passed him by, and he showed a complete lack of awareness playing with his back to goal. The contrast between him and Chair/Eze/Pugh when playing in that position is stark. Whereas Eze/Chair/Pugh can take the ball facing away from goal, turn, and direct play forward, Smith seemed incapable of doing that. And he's a complete failure at the ratting side of the game that Scowen was being used for. It might be his best position is deeper in midfield where the play is in front of him.
He's 19, and deserves time and encouragement, but at the end of the day if he's keeping Chair or Pugh out of the side, just because we have to contractually play him, then things are going to turn ugly against him fairly quickly.
Far worse though was Hugill. He seemed incapable of trapping a ball, on the very rare occasion he didn't let the Swansea defender get there first despite having two yards on him. Even Matt Smith wasn't as flat footed as him. He started brightly against stoke and Huddersfield, and I though we had a good one, but in the last two games his overall impact on play has been poor. I know he scored the goal yesterday but other than that he was absolutely appalling. | | | |
| And so it begins on 10:00 - Aug 22 with 3576 views | Pommyhoop |
| And so it begins on 08:55 - Aug 22 by stevec |
That’s how I see it.
One thing that bothers me is what goes on at coaching level at the big clubs, I’m sort of seeing why so few youngsters elevate to their first teams.
Like something from the Stepford Wives, they all play the same way, no risk taking, very little carrying of the ball and seriously flustered by the prospect of being challenged.
They could do themselves a favour and check out Eze, Chair and BOS who are willing to take risks, run at players. Not blaming them, it’s their coaching system, but quite how we remain competitive whilst they get up to speed is worrying. |
They could do themselves a favour and check out Eze, Chair and BOS who are willing to take risks, run at players.
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| And so it begins on 10:02 - Aug 22 with 3559 views | Antti_Heinola |
| And so it begins on 09:45 - Aug 22 by swisscottage |
Personally I don't think Smith is ready for this level of football. I was not impressed on Saturday and even less so yesterday.
He might have shown the odd good touch, but far too often play passed him by, and he showed a complete lack of awareness playing with his back to goal. The contrast between him and Chair/Eze/Pugh when playing in that position is stark. Whereas Eze/Chair/Pugh can take the ball facing away from goal, turn, and direct play forward, Smith seemed incapable of doing that. And he's a complete failure at the ratting side of the game that Scowen was being used for. It might be his best position is deeper in midfield where the play is in front of him.
He's 19, and deserves time and encouragement, but at the end of the day if he's keeping Chair or Pugh out of the side, just because we have to contractually play him, then things are going to turn ugly against him fairly quickly.
Far worse though was Hugill. He seemed incapable of trapping a ball, on the very rare occasion he didn't let the Swansea defender get there first despite having two yards on him. Even Matt Smith wasn't as flat footed as him. He started brightly against stoke and Huddersfield, and I though we had a good one, but in the last two games his overall impact on play has been poor. I know he scored the goal yesterday but other than that he was absolutely appalling. |
i thought Hugill played well. Tough job up there. Tremendous volley he was unlucky not to score from, great goal, and yes, some misplaced passes, but overall I thought he was good.
As for the others, we mst stop writing players off so quickly. Absolutely Smith and Amos look a bit behind Chair and Eze, but that really is the result of the academy system and them not playing mens football - they may well be worth the investment if we manage them carefully. Both look decent players to me, although 100% agree Chair deserves tp start at this moment.
Depressing we're already seeing comments like 'Scowen should never be allowed near the club again' as if he violated Jude in front of some kids or something, rather than just not being as good on the ball as Eze. God I love our fans. |  |
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| And so it begins on 10:08 - Aug 22 with 3531 views | simmo |
Amos and Smith have a lot of potential and as Warburton says, show good examples to our youngsters of how the more elite young pro's handle themselves, train etc that allow them to be part of premier league squads.
But I do find the preference for them over a couple of our own lads a bit puzzling, playing them both at the same time seems not to work as Smith especially can keep things ticking but not the best out of possession and won't break the lines going forward. Was directly culpable for their first goal too.
Not that I want Amos injured in any way, but if his hamstring strain means one of Pugh or Chair gets a start Saturday instead of Smith/Amos starting together, I think that might be a good thing... |  |
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| And so it begins on 10:12 - Aug 22 with 3502 views | stevec |
| And so it begins on 10:02 - Aug 22 by Antti_Heinola |
i thought Hugill played well. Tough job up there. Tremendous volley he was unlucky not to score from, great goal, and yes, some misplaced passes, but overall I thought he was good.
As for the others, we mst stop writing players off so quickly. Absolutely Smith and Amos look a bit behind Chair and Eze, but that really is the result of the academy system and them not playing mens football - they may well be worth the investment if we manage them carefully. Both look decent players to me, although 100% agree Chair deserves tp start at this moment.
Depressing we're already seeing comments like 'Scowen should never be allowed near the club again' as if he violated Jude in front of some kids or something, rather than just not being as good on the ball as Eze. God I love our fans. |
'as if he'd violated Jude in front of the kids' haha, that made me laugh.
Funnily enough, I was watching Jude at half time, prancing around like a mascot version of Stanley Bowles. Like in a world of his own these days, absolutely owns the place.
Warburton would have done well to end his half time team talk, march Smith and Barbet out on the pitch and say 'you two, watch and learn, that is fckin QPR'. | | | |
| And so it begins on 11:05 - Aug 22 with 3411 views | bosh67 |
Just a word to those already jumping all over 2 defeats.
We are not going up. We were never going up. We need to stay up.
Totally new way of playing and totally new management and team.
Apart from the ocean between our 2 CBs and one of them tackling shins rather than a football we have the nucleus to be a pretty good, entertaining mid table team.
Give them TIME! |  |
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| And so it begins on 12:12 - Aug 22 with 1448 views | ManinBlack |
| And so it begins on 11:05 - Aug 22 by bosh67 |
Just a word to those already jumping all over 2 defeats.
We are not going up. We were never going up. We need to stay up.
Totally new way of playing and totally new management and team.
Apart from the ocean between our 2 CBs and one of them tackling shins rather than a football we have the nucleus to be a pretty good, entertaining mid table team.
Give them TIME! |
Speaking in my capacity as a fossil who watched the fabulous football we provided at various points between 1972-1996 in the top flight it is hard to take how far we have sunk and from that point of view I can understand the frustrations of fellow fans dismayed at where we are today. Social media wasn't around in those days like it is today and it seems to be the catalyst for people sounding off and highlighting every deficiency and offering an opinion. The mood is ugly not just at QPR but the nation in general and slagging off everyone and everything seems to be a pastime. It hardly surprises me that people yell insults from the seats at football matches.
The problem is this is a results business and there are those Rangers fans who will tell you we have played three home games and not won any. Technically that is correct as Brizzle was a draw we just won the penalty shoot out. Fans have a tendency to get annoyed if you can't win your home games.
It is still fresh in the mind that at the back end of last season a naff QPR team that had been in freefall beat Swansea 4-0. To lose 3-1 a few months later to them when we are playing better is a kick in the teeth. People will just look at the result and think that is rubbish as my work colleagues ventured to say this morning.
QPR must be the only team that can be on top in a game and deservedly get level, look to be in charge and more likely to win and then go on to lose by two clear goals, not one, but two. Now we face a team that can't score so we can guess what the mood will be like if they score and we don't win in the eyes of those who believe we will be fighting relegation this season and Wigan will be one of those in the same boat. |  | | |
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