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Meeting at the club 3rd Jan 10:12 - Jan 4 with 19122 viewsColDale

https://www.daletrust.co.uk/2019/01/meeting-at-the-club-3rd-jan/

Just to add that there was nothing that could not be brought up. It was an very open and honest meeting as I wrote, and I think I brought up most of the issues / concerns from here over the last few days. If I've not covered it, it was down to time constraints (meeting took close to 2 hrs) and should not be seen as being evidence of proof, so apologies to the Biggins Conspiracists.
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Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 10:39 - Jan 4 with 7689 viewsSaxonDale

Thanks to Col and David Bottomley for this.
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Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 11:02 - Jan 4 with 7572 viewsalderleydale

So all`s well at the club then??

Phew what a relief
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Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 11:06 - Jan 4 with 7551 viewsDaleiLama

Thanks for taking the time and effort to have the meeting and publish the outcome Col.

I don't think I am alone in hoping that after this and the upcoming forum, fears will be allayed as much as possible and we start to sail into calmer waters. If the transfer window also brings a revitalised squad and improved fortunes on the pitch the Unity unicorn may even become a reality?

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Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 11:14 - Jan 4 with 7496 viewsDaleiLama

Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 11:02 - Jan 4 by alderleydale

So all`s well at the club then??

Phew what a relief


Is all ever well with anything, anywhere. And even if the stars do occasionally align, do they stay that way? Genuine question.

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Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 11:24 - Jan 4 with 7447 viewsalderleydale

Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 11:14 - Jan 4 by DaleiLama

Is all ever well with anything, anywhere. And even if the stars do occasionally align, do they stay that way? Genuine question.


No I`m as happy as a sand boy

My only concern is, as stated everybody even the non playing subs were all AT IT for the Doncaster game. What the fook is an off day going to look like??

You swallow what ever you want pal
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Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 11:24 - Jan 4 with 7441 viewsdingdangblue

Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 11:14 - Jan 4 by DaleiLama

Is all ever well with anything, anywhere. And even if the stars do occasionally align, do they stay that way? Genuine question.


Yes it's like stories on here appearing about Keith not taking training or falling out with players - like either of those never occurred when we were in the top 10 and winning more games - but now they are being used as a ploy to shit stir.

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Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 11:29 - Jan 4 with 7399 viewsDaleiLama

Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 11:24 - Jan 4 by alderleydale

No I`m as happy as a sand boy

My only concern is, as stated everybody even the non playing subs were all AT IT for the Doncaster game. What the fook is an off day going to look like??

You swallow what ever you want pal


I'm not swallowing anything. I'm just trying to live with dysfunction as an essential part of modern day living.

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Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 11:30 - Jan 4 with 7397 viewsdawlishdale

The first question I'd have asked regarding the trouble vs Bradford; is why on Earth did the CEO and the GSO not get the police involved. It went on for a good 20 minutes, and the stewards clearly couldn't cope.
On the way out of the ground (as Bradford scored their 4th goal) there were several dozen police officers immediately outside the Willbutts, and they could have been inside the ground in seconds if authorised.

We got very lucky here...it could have resulted in serious injuries or worse.
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Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 11:41 - Jan 4 with 7326 viewselectricblue

That finally puts to bed all the dross that as been put on this forum in the past few weeks...

Thank you Mr Bottomley..

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Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 11:41 - Jan 4 with 7324 viewsnicknick

Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 10:39 - Jan 4 by SaxonDale

Thanks to Col and David Bottomley for this.


I would also thank Col for meeting with David. Hopefully this will now be a regular occurrence and a more open relationship with the club can be formed.
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Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 11:59 - Jan 4 with 7217 viewsTVOS1907

A few points, Col.

The away stand wasn't full last Saturday. There were over 1000 empty seats, as the Bradford following was given as 2507, so was there a real need to open the section nearest to Pearl Street?

When I drove past the ground the other day, the fixture board said tomorrow's game was on Wednesday 5th January. It may have been changed since.

When I was your age, I used to enjoy the odd game of tennis. Or was it golf?

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Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 12:06 - Jan 4 with 7170 viewsSuddenLad

Thanks to Col for raising these issues at the earliest opportunity. The CEO has now nailed his colours to the mast in terms of the stories that have been circulating in recent weeks. They have now been debunked and that is the point at where the line in the sand should be drawn.

We can assume that from now on, any such rumours can be considered wholly untrue. We have his word on all matters raised. That should be sufficient.

It is heartening to hear that rumours of non-attendance at training sessions by the manager are also false and that morale remains high within the squad.

From a personal point of view, I have always believed that to be the case. Whilst we can never be privy to dressing-room conduct/friction (if it even exists), you can see from goal celebrations what the reactions are, on the field and from the bench. You can't fake that spontaneous 'esprit de corps'. Hendo winner v Blackpool as an example. It is however a workplace and like all other workplaces, there will always be differences of opinion and finger pointing when things are going awry. Nothing unusual about that.

I'm sure Keith Hill is every bit as frustrated and disappointed as many supporters are - and so he should be. It's his job. That doesn't mean that the guns should be trained on him. The onus is now on him to 'shape-shift' the pack effectively and turn things round. We aren't that far away, but the job of a manager is about the good and the tough. We've had far more good than tough, MUCH more, so let's get it into perspective.

There are many unemployed managers, as there always is, each having failed in their previous employment. Our current manager has been the architect of the best times this club has ever seen. He has overseen the greatest successes we have known.

I simply don't understand the clamour from some quarters to dispose of his services. For who to take over. A previously proven failure ?

This manager deserves every opportunity to get us back on course and to improve performances and results. That should be AT LEAST until the end of the current season, regardless of the situation come May. We owe him that chance at the very least.

Onwards and upwards....

“It is easier to fool people, than to convince them that they have been fooled”

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Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 12:14 - Jan 4 with 7116 viewsColDale

Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 11:59 - Jan 4 by TVOS1907

A few points, Col.

The away stand wasn't full last Saturday. There were over 1000 empty seats, as the Bradford following was given as 2507, so was there a real need to open the section nearest to Pearl Street?

When I drove past the ground the other day, the fixture board said tomorrow's game was on Wednesday 5th January. It may have been changed since.


Alerted them to it yesterday and was changed by this morning

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Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 12:24 - Jan 4 with 7034 viewsTVOS1907

Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 12:14 - Jan 4 by ColDale

Alerted them to it yesterday and was changed by this morning



Did your dog take that picture?

When I was your age, I used to enjoy the odd game of tennis. Or was it golf?

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Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 12:33 - Jan 4 with 6966 viewsColDale

Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 12:24 - Jan 4 by TVOS1907

Did your dog take that picture?


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Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 12:35 - Jan 4 with 6941 viewspioneer

Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 12:06 - Jan 4 by SuddenLad

Thanks to Col for raising these issues at the earliest opportunity. The CEO has now nailed his colours to the mast in terms of the stories that have been circulating in recent weeks. They have now been debunked and that is the point at where the line in the sand should be drawn.

We can assume that from now on, any such rumours can be considered wholly untrue. We have his word on all matters raised. That should be sufficient.

It is heartening to hear that rumours of non-attendance at training sessions by the manager are also false and that morale remains high within the squad.

From a personal point of view, I have always believed that to be the case. Whilst we can never be privy to dressing-room conduct/friction (if it even exists), you can see from goal celebrations what the reactions are, on the field and from the bench. You can't fake that spontaneous 'esprit de corps'. Hendo winner v Blackpool as an example. It is however a workplace and like all other workplaces, there will always be differences of opinion and finger pointing when things are going awry. Nothing unusual about that.

I'm sure Keith Hill is every bit as frustrated and disappointed as many supporters are - and so he should be. It's his job. That doesn't mean that the guns should be trained on him. The onus is now on him to 'shape-shift' the pack effectively and turn things round. We aren't that far away, but the job of a manager is about the good and the tough. We've had far more good than tough, MUCH more, so let's get it into perspective.

There are many unemployed managers, as there always is, each having failed in their previous employment. Our current manager has been the architect of the best times this club has ever seen. He has overseen the greatest successes we have known.

I simply don't understand the clamour from some quarters to dispose of his services. For who to take over. A previously proven failure ?

This manager deserves every opportunity to get us back on course and to improve performances and results. That should be AT LEAST until the end of the current season, regardless of the situation come May. We owe him that chance at the very least.

Onwards and upwards....


Did anyone expect the new CEO to say yes there are problems at the club?

I dont expect this ‘everything at the club is fine’ response to be accepted.by many.. maybe Hart is an outlier not including the boss in his message of thanks.

If everything is rosy and there are no personnel issues then the playing squad must really be a crappy, albeit happy, bunch given the last two results.

Things dont seem to add up.
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Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 12:40 - Jan 4 with 6898 viewsSuddenLad

Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 12:35 - Jan 4 by pioneer

Did anyone expect the new CEO to say yes there are problems at the club?

I dont expect this ‘everything at the club is fine’ response to be accepted.by many.. maybe Hart is an outlier not including the boss in his message of thanks.

If everything is rosy and there are no personnel issues then the playing squad must really be a crappy, albeit happy, bunch given the last two results.

Things dont seem to add up.


How do we effectively dispute what the CEO says ? There has to be an element of trust and acceptance of what he says.

He says 'things are fine'. Maybe that's because Hart has left, maybe that has nothing to do with it.

“It is easier to fool people, than to convince them that they have been fooled”

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Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 12:42 - Jan 4 with 6873 viewsmightydale

Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 12:35 - Jan 4 by pioneer

Did anyone expect the new CEO to say yes there are problems at the club?

I dont expect this ‘everything at the club is fine’ response to be accepted.by many.. maybe Hart is an outlier not including the boss in his message of thanks.

If everything is rosy and there are no personnel issues then the playing squad must really be a crappy, albeit happy, bunch given the last two results.

Things dont seem to add up.


Finally someone with some common sense.

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Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 12:47 - Jan 4 with 6834 viewsTVOS1907

Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 12:33 - Jan 4 by ColDale



Dogiel Youngs?

When I was your age, I used to enjoy the odd game of tennis. Or was it golf?

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Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 12:51 - Jan 4 with 6805 viewsD_Alien

Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 12:06 - Jan 4 by SuddenLad

Thanks to Col for raising these issues at the earliest opportunity. The CEO has now nailed his colours to the mast in terms of the stories that have been circulating in recent weeks. They have now been debunked and that is the point at where the line in the sand should be drawn.

We can assume that from now on, any such rumours can be considered wholly untrue. We have his word on all matters raised. That should be sufficient.

It is heartening to hear that rumours of non-attendance at training sessions by the manager are also false and that morale remains high within the squad.

From a personal point of view, I have always believed that to be the case. Whilst we can never be privy to dressing-room conduct/friction (if it even exists), you can see from goal celebrations what the reactions are, on the field and from the bench. You can't fake that spontaneous 'esprit de corps'. Hendo winner v Blackpool as an example. It is however a workplace and like all other workplaces, there will always be differences of opinion and finger pointing when things are going awry. Nothing unusual about that.

I'm sure Keith Hill is every bit as frustrated and disappointed as many supporters are - and so he should be. It's his job. That doesn't mean that the guns should be trained on him. The onus is now on him to 'shape-shift' the pack effectively and turn things round. We aren't that far away, but the job of a manager is about the good and the tough. We've had far more good than tough, MUCH more, so let's get it into perspective.

There are many unemployed managers, as there always is, each having failed in their previous employment. Our current manager has been the architect of the best times this club has ever seen. He has overseen the greatest successes we have known.

I simply don't understand the clamour from some quarters to dispose of his services. For who to take over. A previously proven failure ?

This manager deserves every opportunity to get us back on course and to improve performances and results. That should be AT LEAST until the end of the current season, regardless of the situation come May. We owe him that chance at the very least.

Onwards and upwards....


Just on the issue about training sessions:

Managers will have plenty of other business to attend to and their presence at all, or even most training sessions isn't necessarily an indicator of commitment or engagement. The important thing is that they've established a rigorous routine and keep their finger on the pulse. And we all know what's meant by "presenteeism"

Dave Bottomley didn't comment on the presence of the manager at training, but that it was "...at the heart of his work..." [to quote Col's report]

That's the important thing, and i don't think anyone but troublemakers would see it any differently
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Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 13:23 - Jan 4 with 6677 viewsjudd

Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 12:24 - Jan 4 by TVOS1907

Did your dog take that picture?


No, it's still there.

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Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 13:30 - Jan 4 with 6626 viewsTVOS1907

Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 13:23 - Jan 4 by judd

No, it's still there.


The fixture board or the picture?

When I was your age, I used to enjoy the odd game of tennis. Or was it golf?

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Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 13:33 - Jan 4 with 6604 viewsjudd

Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 13:30 - Jan 4 by TVOS1907

The fixture board or the picture?


Stop hounding me.

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Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 13:46 - Jan 4 with 6530 viewsjudd

Thank you, Pinky, for all of that. Appreciate the time and effort taken.

Good to read the aftermath of the Bradford inquiry, especially noted that the tyre etc are being moved. Well done the Club.

Nice to note that the club are always keen to adhere to rules - is this from the Russ/Hartlepool experience, or some other infraction? Nevertheless, encouraging to put it in the public domain.

It is still rather galling, though, that the Biggins rumour was not addressed in any way, shape or form. We can only surmise that there is no smoke without fire.

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Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 13:54 - Jan 4 with 6486 viewsCleedale

Meeting at the club 3rd Jan on 11:30 - Jan 4 by dawlishdale

The first question I'd have asked regarding the trouble vs Bradford; is why on Earth did the CEO and the GSO not get the police involved. It went on for a good 20 minutes, and the stewards clearly couldn't cope.
On the way out of the ground (as Bradford scored their 4th goal) there were several dozen police officers immediately outside the Willbutts, and they could have been inside the ground in seconds if authorised.

We got very lucky here...it could have resulted in serious injuries or worse.


Hi dawlish,

That might have something to do with who pays for the Police. From memory, might be wrong, the club pay for any presence in the ground and the Council Tax payer for outside.

Therefore could be ticky-box stuff. If Police have not been requested inside the ground they might not enter (ridiculous hey) because they're only (mainly) working in a public place and therefore funded by CT.

Interesting though, would they have entered if it was obvious that there really had been serious injuries? (Not doubting your original concerns btw).
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