| 2nd half tactics 17:31 - Nov 10 with 14360 views | rochdaleriddler |
Wow, thought we were going to win by 5 today. Instead we sat back, Calvin flicked on to thin air, and we rode our luck . Gateshead deserved a replay. Ref was awful |  |
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| 2nd half tactics on 22:21 - Nov 10 with 2318 views | firgrovedale51 |
| 2nd half tactics on 22:18 - Nov 10 by D_Alien |
>10:1, but i couldn't tell you exactly, because i don't keep records either
But you still found yourself able to slate him for giving the ball to the opposition? |
Yes I think he does perhaps you can also clear up why he shouts orders then marks nobody himself. |  | | |
| 2nd half tactics on 22:26 - Nov 10 with 2292 views | judd |
| 2nd half tactics on 22:21 - Nov 10 by firgrovedale51 |
Yes I think he does perhaps you can also clear up why he shouts orders then marks nobody himself. |
Perhaps it is no coincidence that his omission from the starting line up has seen a major improvement in team performamce? |  |
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| 2nd half tactics on 22:29 - Nov 10 with 2284 views | Daley_Lama |
Gateshead played really well second half. First half i think they backed off and let us have the ball without pressure, there was none of that during the second half.
We should have scored having said that in the second half.
Offside twice when the final pass was played. Inman managed to slip in shock when he managed to stay onside for one of them.
A draw would not have been unfair on us but aside from a shot that flashed past the post, theirs was more huff than puff.
Good old fashioned FA Cup match and unlucky Gateshead. |  |
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| 2nd half tactics on 22:35 - Nov 10 with 2265 views | judd |
| 2nd half tactics on 22:29 - Nov 10 by Daley_Lama |
Gateshead played really well second half. First half i think they backed off and let us have the ball without pressure, there was none of that during the second half.
We should have scored having said that in the second half.
Offside twice when the final pass was played. Inman managed to slip in shock when he managed to stay onside for one of them.
A draw would not have been unfair on us but aside from a shot that flashed past the post, theirs was more huff than puff.
Good old fashioned FA Cup match and unlucky Gateshead. |
Thought it was 3 consecutive offsides before Inman slipped.
We seemed to be second best in midfield and up front second half and made Gateshead believe they could do us over. Most thought our second half performance was dire to watch. I enjoyed McGahey taking them on whilst on an early yellow. | |
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| 2nd half tactics on 22:35 - Nov 10 with 2265 views | D_Alien |
| 2nd half tactics on 22:21 - Nov 10 by firgrovedale51 |
Yes I think he does perhaps you can also clear up why he shouts orders then marks nobody himself. |
Every player concedes possession. Perkins ratio of successful passes to conceding possession is very high, something that's consistently ignored by those who think he's no longer good enough
I'll take the opinions of managers in the championship regarding his midfield stewardship, those who've played him week in week out over a period of time
At his age, he hasn't got the turn of pace he might once have had, but i see no diminution in his level of skill on the ball or ability to play the ball to feet, often over distance to players in advanced positions
His one major error this season led to Dale conceding a goal, in the same game that we missed a hatful of chances, many from moves set up by him
But in your opinion he just "gives the ball to the opposition"
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| 2nd half tactics on 22:57 - Nov 10 with 2193 views | Daley_Lama |
Forgot to mention one incident.
Their lad took Hart out with a peach of a 50/50 tackle. Remember people, this is football we are watching and tackling is allowed. Hart stayed down having bumped his poorly shoulder (again)
By eck, this didn’t half set off the anger in some Pearlers today. How dare the ref not send their lad off for tackling one of our players? Why did he not know that our player had a sore shoulder from a previous grievious bodily assault?
Proper Homers. | |
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| 2nd half tactics on 23:03 - Nov 10 with 2181 views | rochdale_ranger |
Hill should keep his slagging of individual players in house. Baldy mourinho indeed. Win is a win and I’m glad we are through to the next round. Hopefully we’ll get Stockport county. |  | | |
| 2nd half tactics on 23:13 - Nov 10 with 2161 views | judd |
| 2nd half tactics on 22:57 - Nov 10 by Daley_Lama |
Forgot to mention one incident.
Their lad took Hart out with a peach of a 50/50 tackle. Remember people, this is football we are watching and tackling is allowed. Hart stayed down having bumped his poorly shoulder (again)
By eck, this didn’t half set off the anger in some Pearlers today. How dare the ref not send their lad off for tackling one of our players? Why did he not know that our player had a sore shoulder from a previous grievious bodily assault?
Proper Homers. |
It was a proper tackle, ball first then man, boom! I think the annoyance was that normally a ref would not let play go on for so long before seeing to the welfare of a seemingly hurt player. | |
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| 2nd half tactics on 23:13 - Nov 10 with 2158 views | KenBoon |
| 2nd half tactics on 22:57 - Nov 10 by Daley_Lama |
Forgot to mention one incident.
Their lad took Hart out with a peach of a 50/50 tackle. Remember people, this is football we are watching and tackling is allowed. Hart stayed down having bumped his poorly shoulder (again)
By eck, this didn’t half set off the anger in some Pearlers today. How dare the ref not send their lad off for tackling one of our players? Why did he not know that our player had a sore shoulder from a previous grievious bodily assault?
Proper Homers. |
He won the ball? Looked a blatant foul to me. |  | | |
| 2nd half tactics on 23:24 - Nov 10 with 2131 views | Daley_Lama |
| 2nd half tactics on 23:13 - Nov 10 by KenBoon |
He won the ball? Looked a blatant foul to me. |
Totally got the ball then the man. Hart took the ball and man too.
Dale Stephens tried the same earlier today and saw red. [Post edited 10 Nov 2018 23:29]
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| 2nd half tactics on 23:30 - Nov 10 with 2118 views | judd |
| 2nd half tactics on 23:24 - Nov 10 by Daley_Lama |
Totally got the ball then the man. Hart took the ball and man too.
Dale Stephens tried the same earlier today and saw red. [Post edited 10 Nov 2018 23:29]
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No way that can be compared with Dale Stephens. | |
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| 2nd half tactics on 23:50 - Nov 10 with 2069 views | firgrovedale51 |
| 2nd half tactics on 22:35 - Nov 10 by D_Alien |
Every player concedes possession. Perkins ratio of successful passes to conceding possession is very high, something that's consistently ignored by those who think he's no longer good enough
I'll take the opinions of managers in the championship regarding his midfield stewardship, those who've played him week in week out over a period of time
At his age, he hasn't got the turn of pace he might once have had, but i see no diminution in his level of skill on the ball or ability to play the ball to feet, often over distance to players in advanced positions
His one major error this season led to Dale conceding a goal, in the same game that we missed a hatful of chances, many from moves set up by him
But in your opinion he just "gives the ball to the opposition"
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Without keeping records how do you know his ratio is very high? Maybe just maybe his ratio is not very high and that is one of the reasons he is not playing in the championship as I said just maybe because obviously we don't know for sure.
What of the other point of his poor marking is that due to his age? | | | |
| 2nd half tactics on 00:08 - Nov 11 with 2031 views | D_Alien |
| 2nd half tactics on 23:50 - Nov 10 by firgrovedale51 |
Without keeping records how do you know his ratio is very high? Maybe just maybe his ratio is not very high and that is one of the reasons he is not playing in the championship as I said just maybe because obviously we don't know for sure.
What of the other point of his poor marking is that due to his age? |
I referred to his midfield stewardship. You don't get to play consistently in a championship midfield with what you think is 'poor marking" - it's nothing of the sort. It's using his experience to minimise the space available for the opposition, whilst organising those around him. The young midfielders we have will be learning how to do that from him, which is partly why he was brought in. They're not the only ones who could learn from it | |
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| 2nd half tactics on 00:12 - Nov 11 with 2016 views | judd |
| 2nd half tactics on 23:50 - Nov 10 by firgrovedale51 |
Without keeping records how do you know his ratio is very high? Maybe just maybe his ratio is not very high and that is one of the reasons he is not playing in the championship as I said just maybe because obviously we don't know for sure.
What of the other point of his poor marking is that due to his age? |
Maybe the ratio is an utter irrelevance. It may mean a great number of passes to retain possession but no penetration that hurts the opposition . I was delighted when we signed Perkins. I'm not now. | |
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| 2nd half tactics on 00:22 - Nov 11 with 1991 views | D_Alien |
| 2nd half tactics on 00:12 - Nov 11 by judd |
Maybe the ratio is an utter irrelevance. It may mean a great number of passes to retain possession but no penetration that hurts the opposition . I was delighted when we signed Perkins. I'm not now. |
But he does play penetrating, opposition-hurting passes, more consistently and more capably than any other midfielder we have
I'm delighted we have him. I'm not suggesting he should start every game, but his value to the club is being traduced by those who expect Perkins mark 1 and thus fail to see how his experience and game management are of significant benefit within a squad containing mainly inexperienced midfielders | |
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| 2nd half tactics on 00:59 - Nov 11 with 1936 views | Shun |
My opinion on the Perkins debate is that we’ll see more benefit from his being at the club off the pitch than on it. I genuinely think he misplaces passes more than any other outfield player but it’s been noticeable in a number of matches how he dictates, coaches, and encourages other players around him, especially so when playing alongside the less experienced members of the squad. In that sense I see him as a coach on the pitch, but whether that justifies his presence in the team when we have a lot of talented midfielders missing out I’m not sure. |  | | |
| 2nd half tactics on 01:02 - Nov 11 with 1933 views | James1980 |
| 2nd half tactics on 00:22 - Nov 11 by D_Alien |
But he does play penetrating, opposition-hurting passes, more consistently and more capably than any other midfielder we have
I'm delighted we have him. I'm not suggesting he should start every game, but his value to the club is being traduced by those who expect Perkins mark 1 and thus fail to see how his experience and game management are of significant benefit within a squad containing mainly inexperienced midfielders |
Probably talking rubbish again but, is Perkins better coming on when we have a lead no pressure for a defence splitting pass, marshall the midfield and just get rid of the ball if necessary defensively | |
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| 2nd half tactics on 08:00 - Nov 11 with 1783 views | midlandsdale |
| 2nd half tactics on 00:59 - Nov 11 by Shun |
My opinion on the Perkins debate is that we’ll see more benefit from his being at the club off the pitch than on it. I genuinely think he misplaces passes more than any other outfield player but it’s been noticeable in a number of matches how he dictates, coaches, and encourages other players around him, especially so when playing alongside the less experienced members of the squad. In that sense I see him as a coach on the pitch, but whether that justifies his presence in the team when we have a lot of talented midfielders missing out I’m not sure. |
I am. It doesn't |  | | |
| 2nd half tactics on 09:54 - Nov 11 with 1626 views | aleanddale |
At 2-0 I thought we would go and get a 3rd / 4th goal.
A lack of concentration and a poor save allowed Gateshead a sniff. From their first goal onwards Gateshead grew in confidence and had the lions share of the remainder of the second half.
Dale sat back and just could not get going again. Full credit to Gateshead they could have easily taken the tie to a replay with their second half performance. | | | |
| 2nd half tactics on 11:20 - Nov 11 with 1545 views | firgrovedale51 |
| 2nd half tactics on 00:08 - Nov 11 by D_Alien |
I referred to his midfield stewardship. You don't get to play consistently in a championship midfield with what you think is 'poor marking" - it's nothing of the sort. It's using his experience to minimise the space available for the opposition, whilst organising those around him. The young midfielders we have will be learning how to do that from him, which is partly why he was brought in. They're not the only ones who could learn from it |
The unfortunate thing is that space doesn't score many goals it is usually one of the other players . | | | |
| 2nd half tactics on 12:01 - Nov 11 with 1499 views | fitzochris |
The biggest travesty yesterday was discovering the Star Inn is closed until further notice. Had a few pints of Copper Dragon in the Spotland Social instead. |  |
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| 2nd half tactics on 13:23 - Nov 11 with 1417 views | rochdaleriddler |
| 2nd half tactics on 19:58 - Nov 10 by animal8 |
Good for you riddler ,it seems only your opinion counts .we won .I admit the 2nd half wasn't good but spurs could have said that last season .But I never heard there manager flagging them off he gave us credit for playing well . |
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| 2nd half tactics on 13:39 - Nov 11 with 1398 views | aleanddale |
| 2nd half tactics on 12:01 - Nov 11 by fitzochris |
The biggest travesty yesterday was discovering the Star Inn is closed until further notice. Had a few pints of Copper Dragon in the Spotland Social instead. |
Anyone in the know regarding the Star closure? its been a week or two now.
Spotland Bowling Club no hardship though and copper dragon a favourite drop!. | | | |
| 2nd half tactics on 14:10 - Nov 11 with 1365 views | smaclad1 |
| 2nd half tactics on 13:39 - Nov 11 by aleanddale |
Anyone in the know regarding the Star closure? its been a week or two now.
Spotland Bowling Club no hardship though and copper dragon a favourite drop!. |
Another couple of weeks I understand, but don't hold me to that as nothing is ever simple with Sam Smiths. There are apparently numerous closures across Sam Smith's estate - presumably Humphrey Smith's...idiosyncratic management 'style' and business approach across his personal fiefdom is a factor in attracting and retaining staff. | | | |
| 2nd half tactics on 14:16 - Nov 11 with 1353 views | 49thseason |
"I'll take the opinions of managers in the championship regarding his midfield stewardship, those who've played him week in week out over a period of time "
Perkins started just 2 championship matches last season and was a sub in 11... hardly week in week out.
With the loss of pace, he has lost a vital ingredient in his toolbag. The David Perkins we see today is a shadow of the player we signed all those years ago. |  | | |
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