| Warren Farm 10:13 - Nov 1 with 91613 views | connell10 |
Some one saying on WATRB that the Supreme court has thrown out the appeal placed against us and Warren Farm is a goer! Good news if true! |  |
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| Warren Farm on 10:59 - Feb 27 with 2807 views | Boston |
Can all future news re training ground just be headed WTF (What The Farm)? |  |
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| Warren Farm on 10:59 - Feb 27 with 2819 views | hook_hoops |
| Warren Farm on 10:40 - Feb 27 by R_from_afar |
Stop press: The court of appeal has just ruled that the third runway is illegal! |
....."But the judges said that in future, a third runway could go ahead, as long as it fits with the UK's climate commitments." | | | |
| Warren Farm on 11:05 - Feb 27 with 2783 views | R_from_afar |
| Warren Farm on 10:59 - Feb 27 by hook_hoops |
....."But the judges said that in future, a third runway could go ahead, as long as it fits with the UK's climate commitments." |
Yes, but that seemingly simple sentence hides a hugely difficult issue: The UK is legally required to have net-zero carbon emissions by 2050. That means that from a legal aspect alone - so, leaving environmental issues to one side - we need to come up with a way of sucking vast amounts of CO2 out of the atmosphere to counterbalance the emissions from flying. That is not trivial. |  |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| Warren Farm on 11:42 - Feb 27 with 2691 views | Boston |
| Warren Farm on 10:59 - Feb 27 by hook_hoops |
....."But the judges said that in future, a third runway could go ahead, as long as it fits with the UK's climate commitments." |
Cloudy with periods of rain? | |
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| Warren Farm on 12:04 - Feb 27 with 2649 views | R_from_afar |
| Warren Farm on 10:54 - Feb 27 by Northernr |
Chris Grayling strikes again. |
Spot on. I almost feel embarrassed to post this because it contains such an utterly stupid statement by Mr Grayling, but here goes:
"In a witness statement, the then transport secretary, Chris Grayling, said the 2015 Paris agreement was “not relevant” to climate policy and assessing the plans against the earlier and less strict Climate Change Act of 2008 was sufficient. But the court of appeal disagreed".
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| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| Warren Farm on 12:16 - Feb 27 with 2609 views | R_from_afar |
| Warren Farm on 10:48 - Feb 27 by Lblock |
Damn!
I live close to Heathrow and have had all the stuff rammed down my throat about the environment but I was bang in favour of this.
Economic suicide
As I'm selfish I was also hoping for a bit of work off the back of the expansion to see me through to retirement...... |
It doesn't make economic sense. The proponents of the third runway have frequently done an apples with pears comparison, comparing Heathrow's capacity alone with the capacity of *all* the airports offered by individual rival cities in continental Europe.
Also, it will cost at least £10bn (says TfL) just to sort out the transport links.
https://533d67b8-cd8c-4b9c-be04-d9f1956466a9.filesusr.com/ugd/8b8ad1_4cd4c5871f1 | |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| Warren Farm on 12:43 - Feb 27 with 2541 views | connell10 |
| Warren Farm on 12:16 - Feb 27 by R_from_afar |
It doesn't make economic sense. The proponents of the third runway have frequently done an apples with pears comparison, comparing Heathrow's capacity alone with the capacity of *all* the airports offered by individual rival cities in continental Europe.
Also, it will cost at least £10bn (says TfL) just to sort out the transport links.
https://533d67b8-cd8c-4b9c-be04-d9f1956466a9.filesusr.com/ugd/8b8ad1_4cd4c5871f1 |
Great news f uck the third runway!! | |
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| Warren Farm on 13:39 - Feb 27 with 2464 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Warren Farm on 13:25 - Feb 25 by PinnerPaul |
Hate to contradict you BM but I think the reaction on here is typical of this board, some will find negatives/stick to their negative view whatever the club says and then if you actually point out some facts or hush my mouth support the club, you just get abuse back. |
Sorry, Pinner, I don't agree with that. Whilst there are some people that generally take a cynical view of life, in this particular case the criticism is justified and supported by facts.
The WF project was announced way back in spring 2012. True, the club had to fight legal challenges but the final legal hurdle was overcome in 2018. In November 2018 Hoos revealed that preparatory work had been completed in advance and he expected building work to commence in early 2019. Roll forward 15 months, no work has taken place and the club are painting a different picture. In the meantime, other clubs have managed to progress and complete infrastructure projects with a minimum of fuss.
Bear in mind too that FFP plays no part in the delay as infrastructure expenditure is exempt from FFP scrutiny. It also didn't escape me that Tony threatened to ditch the WF project unless QPR succeeded in their attempts to secure a stadium. This makes no sense as the 2 projects are mutually exclusive and WF is ready to develop now whilst the stadium is currently little more than an idea.
Given the challenges that the club has had to overcome, I would've thought that QPR would press ahead the moment that they received the green light in 2018. Instead, further delays have enabled the opposition to regroup, re-gather momentum and investigate other lines of challenge.
Now I'm generally a positive person but I have serious doubts about Warren Farm. I sincerely hope that I'm wrong and this turns out to be little more than PR mismanagement. However in the absence of concrete evidence to the contrary I simply can not ignore these facts in favour of blind optimism or the latest snippet from the club. [Post edited 27 Feb 2020 13:43]
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| Warren Farm on 15:06 - Feb 27 with 2343 views | kensalriser |
There are words and there are actions. |  |
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| Warren Farm on 15:45 - Feb 27 with 2258 views | 18StoneOfHoop |
| Warren Farm on 13:39 - Feb 27 by Benny_the_Ball |
Sorry, Pinner, I don't agree with that. Whilst there are some people that generally take a cynical view of life, in this particular case the criticism is justified and supported by facts.
The WF project was announced way back in spring 2012. True, the club had to fight legal challenges but the final legal hurdle was overcome in 2018. In November 2018 Hoos revealed that preparatory work had been completed in advance and he expected building work to commence in early 2019. Roll forward 15 months, no work has taken place and the club are painting a different picture. In the meantime, other clubs have managed to progress and complete infrastructure projects with a minimum of fuss.
Bear in mind too that FFP plays no part in the delay as infrastructure expenditure is exempt from FFP scrutiny. It also didn't escape me that Tony threatened to ditch the WF project unless QPR succeeded in their attempts to secure a stadium. This makes no sense as the 2 projects are mutually exclusive and WF is ready to develop now whilst the stadium is currently little more than an idea.
Given the challenges that the club has had to overcome, I would've thought that QPR would press ahead the moment that they received the green light in 2018. Instead, further delays have enabled the opposition to regroup, re-gather momentum and investigate other lines of challenge.
Now I'm generally a positive person but I have serious doubts about Warren Farm. I sincerely hope that I'm wrong and this turns out to be little more than PR mismanagement. However in the absence of concrete evidence to the contrary I simply can not ignore these facts in favour of blind optimism or the latest snippet from the club. [Post edited 27 Feb 2020 13:43]
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"Now I'm generally a positive person..."
and I'm a hippopotamus who likes to eat jelly beans. |  |
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Love,Peace and Fook Chelski!
More like 20StoneOfHoop now.
Let's face it I'm not getting any thinner.
Pass the cake and pies please. |
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| Warren Farm on 16:27 - Feb 27 with 2179 views | WestbourneR |
| Warren Farm on 10:48 - Feb 27 by Lblock |
Damn!
I live close to Heathrow and have had all the stuff rammed down my throat about the environment but I was bang in favour of this.
Economic suicide
As I'm selfish I was also hoping for a bit of work off the back of the expansion to see me through to retirement...... |
For 'all this environment stuff rammed down your throat' you could substitute 'made aware of the overwhelming scientific evidence'.
I do despair sometimes. This isn't snowflake versus gammon it's just science and common sense.
The environment is not a political issue, it's our vital biohabitat. |  |
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| Warren Farm on 16:28 - Feb 27 with 5181 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Warren Farm on 16:27 - Feb 27 by WestbourneR |
For 'all this environment stuff rammed down your throat' you could substitute 'made aware of the overwhelming scientific evidence'.
I do despair sometimes. This isn't snowflake versus gammon it's just science and common sense.
The environment is not a political issue, it's our vital biohabitat. |
"biohabitat"
If you didn't spell check for that, I'm well impressed! |  |
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| Warren Farm (n/t) on 17:41 - Feb 27 with 5090 views | Dixie_CT |
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| Warren Farm on 18:23 - Feb 27 with 4976 views | PunteR |
| Warren Farm on 13:39 - Feb 27 by Benny_the_Ball |
Sorry, Pinner, I don't agree with that. Whilst there are some people that generally take a cynical view of life, in this particular case the criticism is justified and supported by facts.
The WF project was announced way back in spring 2012. True, the club had to fight legal challenges but the final legal hurdle was overcome in 2018. In November 2018 Hoos revealed that preparatory work had been completed in advance and he expected building work to commence in early 2019. Roll forward 15 months, no work has taken place and the club are painting a different picture. In the meantime, other clubs have managed to progress and complete infrastructure projects with a minimum of fuss.
Bear in mind too that FFP plays no part in the delay as infrastructure expenditure is exempt from FFP scrutiny. It also didn't escape me that Tony threatened to ditch the WF project unless QPR succeeded in their attempts to secure a stadium. This makes no sense as the 2 projects are mutually exclusive and WF is ready to develop now whilst the stadium is currently little more than an idea.
Given the challenges that the club has had to overcome, I would've thought that QPR would press ahead the moment that they received the green light in 2018. Instead, further delays have enabled the opposition to regroup, re-gather momentum and investigate other lines of challenge.
Now I'm generally a positive person but I have serious doubts about Warren Farm. I sincerely hope that I'm wrong and this turns out to be little more than PR mismanagement. However in the absence of concrete evidence to the contrary I simply can not ignore these facts in favour of blind optimism or the latest snippet from the club. [Post edited 27 Feb 2020 13:43]
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To be fair to Pinner he did say this after..
On this particular subject I agree there are grounds for scepticism!
Which does sort of contradict what he said previously but hey ho. We're all just fans with opinions trying to join the dots and muddle our way through the world of QPR. |  |
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| Warren Farm on 19:24 - Feb 27 with 4845 views | Roller |
Warren Farm is mentioned in the latest set of accounts.
"With regard to the Training Ground at Warren Farm, the Club is currently working towards discharging all the pre-commencement conditions as set out under the planning permission granted by Ealing Council. The intention is to then commence site clearance work and construction of the new training ground for the first team and academy. The facility will also include community facilities and a comprehensive community sport programme, which will significantly improve the local residents’ access to sport." |  | | |
| Warren Farm on 19:44 - Feb 27 with 4788 views | PunteR |
| Warren Farm on 19:24 - Feb 27 by Roller |
Warren Farm is mentioned in the latest set of accounts.
"With regard to the Training Ground at Warren Farm, the Club is currently working towards discharging all the pre-commencement conditions as set out under the planning permission granted by Ealing Council. The intention is to then commence site clearance work and construction of the new training ground for the first team and academy. The facility will also include community facilities and a comprehensive community sport programme, which will significantly improve the local residents’ access to sport." |
I must be getting more cynical as i get older but inserting the word "intention" seems a bit of a safety net word.
Maybe thats just me.
Otherwise all sounds positive. | |
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| Warren Farm on 19:54 - Feb 27 with 4771 views | rsonist |
| Warren Farm on 14:19 - Feb 25 by R_from_afar |
Absolutely! I don't know who is in charge of PR at QPR but that Kilburn Times article and the thought - or lack of it - behind it is shocking. I was a PR Manager until recently and I would be thoroughly embarrassed to be in any way involved with an article or announcement like that.
Look, I have leapt to the owners' defence time and again but they are fully aware that fans are desperate - desperate - to know what is going on with our oft-trumpeted infrastructure projects. There have been umpteen tweets, to the club and every senior employee at Rangers, asking for a progress update or bemoaning the lack of one.
Whether WF is Les' responsibility or not, the very least the club - well, the board, to be precise - should have done prior to the interview was to give him a short, clear and unambiguous statement on what the status of the project is. It's called communicating in a professional manner. If such a statement could not be produced in time, our head of communications should have postponed the interview.
Instead, they have given us a blue and white hooped Rosetta stone. It's poor and not only will the content they have provided further rile our weary fans, so will the unprofessional way in which they have delivered it.
Opportunity missed.
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Have you known the club's comms dept to pass up an opportunity for positive spin in recent years? It was only the other day they were being criticised for the BOS and Manning renewals being too flimsy a pretext. I don't buy it. They're dying to give us weekly shovelling updates.
If I had to speculate then there is a delay (such as an additional environment survey) they are being scrupulous about letting run its course without prejudicing it publicly or bringing down too much attention and risking sensationalism and entrenchment. [Post edited 27 Feb 2020 19:56]
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| Warren Farm on 22:35 - Feb 27 with 4550 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Warren Farm on 19:24 - Feb 27 by Roller |
Warren Farm is mentioned in the latest set of accounts.
"With regard to the Training Ground at Warren Farm, the Club is currently working towards discharging all the pre-commencement conditions as set out under the planning permission granted by Ealing Council. The intention is to then commence site clearance work and construction of the new training ground for the first team and academy. The facility will also include community facilities and a comprehensive community sport programme, which will significantly improve the local residents’ access to sport." |
"is currently working towards discharging all the pre-commencement conditions as set out under the planning permission granted by Ealing Council"
This is what we have been hoping is true, and now they are saying that it is.
These conditions
(a) have to be discharged pre-commencement, and
(b) could only have been done after planning was granted. | |
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| Warren Farm on 02:23 - Feb 28 with 4440 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Warren Farm on 18:23 - Feb 27 by PunteR |
To be fair to Pinner he did say this after..
On this particular subject I agree there are grounds for scepticism!
Which does sort of contradict what he said previously but hey ho. We're all just fans with opinions trying to join the dots and muddle our way through the world of QPR. |
True but very confusing, much like the board's ever changing position on Warren Farm. | | | |
| Warren Farm on 02:27 - Feb 28 with 4435 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Warren Farm on 19:24 - Feb 27 by Roller |
Warren Farm is mentioned in the latest set of accounts.
"With regard to the Training Ground at Warren Farm, the Club is currently working towards discharging all the pre-commencement conditions as set out under the planning permission granted by Ealing Council. The intention is to then commence site clearance work and construction of the new training ground for the first team and academy. The facility will also include community facilities and a comprehensive community sport programme, which will significantly improve the local residents’ access to sport." |
It would be nice if the club revealed timelines that it is working towards rather than keep it open ended.
Is the planning permission (and its pre-commencement conditions) available to the public? | | | |
| Warren Farm on 11:16 - Feb 28 with 4290 views | rsonist |
| Warren Farm on 22:35 - Feb 27 by BrianMcCarthy |
"is currently working towards discharging all the pre-commencement conditions as set out under the planning permission granted by Ealing Council"
This is what we have been hoping is true, and now they are saying that it is.
These conditions
(a) have to be discharged pre-commencement, and
(b) could only have been done after planning was granted. |
Not sure I follow - what didn't we already know here? | | | |
| Warren Farm on 11:29 - Feb 28 with 4255 views | rsonist |
| Warren Farm on 02:23 - Feb 28 by Benny_the_Ball |
True but very confusing, much like the board's ever changing position on Warren Farm. |
How has their position changed though? The amendments they made to the scope of the design were enforced and necessary to get permission for it to be built at all (also more realistic from a football POV but that's another argument). The delays have all been a consequence of legal obstacles, the details of which are not always in the interests of the process to be publicised - what little evidence we have suggests this may currently be the case and something new has come up on the environmental side.
Everything else here is baseless apocalyptic speculation as far as I can see. | | | |
| Warren Farm on 16:29 - Apr 3 with 3784 views | E17hoop |
The protest group have been granted a 2 day judicial review over Ealing Council's failure to complete a EIA.
They're still chasing funding but expect this to rumble on. |  |
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| Warren Farm on 17:12 - Apr 3 with 3688 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Warren Farm on 16:29 - Apr 3 by E17hoop |
The protest group have been granted a 2 day judicial review over Ealing Council's failure to complete a EIA.
They're still chasing funding but expect this to rumble on. |
They will be using WF as a mass burial ground if this virus goes on. |  |
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| Warren Farm on 18:33 - Apr 3 with 3600 views | R_from_afar |
| Warren Farm on 16:29 - Apr 3 by E17hoop |
The protest group have been granted a 2 day judicial review over Ealing Council's failure to complete a EIA.
They're still chasing funding but expect this to rumble on. |
Terrible news but thanks for letting us know.
Anyone on here got any experience with EIAs? | |
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