| Dale at Blackpool....team news 14:05 - Oct 6 with 17782 views | SuddenLad |
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| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 21:10 - Oct 6 with 3255 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 17:01 - Oct 6 by Dale23years |
Good point, great scenes at the end, awful ref |
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| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 21:44 - Oct 6 with 3128 views | D_Dale |
| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 21:10 - Oct 6 by rochdaleriddler |
Best in efl !!!! |
According to TVOS - and his current rating, 5.6, is higher than eleven of the Dale players! |  | | |
| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 22:36 - Oct 6 with 2995 views | TVOS1907 |
| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 21:44 - Oct 6 by D_Dale |
According to TVOS - and his current rating, 5.6, is higher than eleven of the Dale players! |
According to 'those in the know'. |  |
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| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 07:01 - Oct 7 with 2730 views | DaleiLama |
From anyone who went - how well did we play and were we good for our point or was it a late heave ho and we got lucky? Ta |  |
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| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 08:13 - Oct 7 with 2624 views | BartRowou |
| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 07:01 - Oct 7 by DaleiLama |
From anyone who went - how well did we play and were we good for our point or was it a late heave ho and we got lucky? Ta |
I thought it was a very boring game despite the four goals.
We looked shaky in defence but Lillis didn't have much to do; we looked unable to break them down up top but scored two goals.
So overall, as others have said, it's a good point against a team doing well.
My favourite bit was the patch of sunlight on the pitch near the end of the game when the rest of it was in shade. Rafferty looked like a figure from an Edward Hopper painting. But it wasn't worth Ā£22.
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| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 08:21 - Oct 7 with 2597 views | DaleiLama |
| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 08:13 - Oct 7 by BartRowou |
I thought it was a very boring game despite the four goals.
We looked shaky in defence but Lillis didn't have much to do; we looked unable to break them down up top but scored two goals.
So overall, as others have said, it's a good point against a team doing well.
My favourite bit was the patch of sunlight on the pitch near the end of the game when the rest of it was in shade. Rafferty looked like a figure from an Edward Hopper painting. But it wasn't worth Ā£22.
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Cheers Bart. Raff's b-day yesterday so the sun shone on the righteous | |
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| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 08:26 - Oct 7 with 2585 views | smaclad1 |
Not a late heave ho - we looked better when Cannon and Calvin came on.
At the start of the day I had said I would be happy with a point, so should be satisfied with that. After the match my conclusion was that we lack a leader or leaders on the pitch.
Defensively, we had a back four that I reckon generally across this board are considered individually good enough. But put the buggers together and it's like a bunch of strangers playing together; another goal goes in and they're standing there with resigned looks on their faces. We need leader in defence, someone to marshall the defence and give bollockings. Maybe they're all too nice and polite to each other. Perhaps we should send McGahey on a 'how to be a complete and utter bast*rd' training course so he can add that leadership quality to his game. I've been a big admirer of his since he came to the club and would love to see him add that to his game. Leadership that is, not being a complete and utter bast*rd.
Midfield - said it before, will say it again - Perkins and Rathbone, lots of running around, looking busy but with no identifiable purpose. Not sure what MJ was adding to the equation. No leadership, no direction in midfield. Give it leadership, give it purpose - job done.
Up front - without the foundations behind them, it is difficult to really assess. Clough no discernible difference from Williams from my perspective yesterday, but given the build up and what was being provided to the frontline, how can you tell.
Leadership - the ability to organise, bollock, encourage and lead by commitment on the pitch. Oh for a new Jonah! | | | |
| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 09:44 - Oct 7 with 2447 views | smaclad1 |
| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 08:13 - Oct 7 by BartRowou |
I thought it was a very boring game despite the four goals.
We looked shaky in defence but Lillis didn't have much to do; we looked unable to break them down up top but scored two goals.
So overall, as others have said, it's a good point against a team doing well.
My favourite bit was the patch of sunlight on the pitch near the end of the game when the rest of it was in shade. Rafferty looked like a figure from an Edward Hopper painting. But it wasn't worth Ā£22.
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I had never thought about using this board as place for postings about art appreciation, but in light of the above post I will just add to my Sunderland related posts where the casual observer might have gained the impression that it was all about beer. It was nearly all about beer, but....
I did pay a visit to Sunderland art gallery in the hope that there might be some examples of pictures by the Pitmen Painters - the original group came from Northumberland, but the tag has been attached to a wider range of work by ex-miners such as Norman Cornish across the north east coalfield.
But no, nothing, nowt, zilch. There was however a permanent exhibition of L S Lowry which struck me as a bit 'taking coals to Newcastle' sort of affair. To be fair, all the works exhibited were of north east scenes from his many visits to and holidays taken in the north east , but still odd that they have regional representations by a non-local painter, but nothing from local artists.
https://normancornish.com/homepage/about-norman-cornish | | | |
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| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 09:53 - Oct 7 with 2423 views | tony_roch975 |
| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 08:26 - Oct 7 by smaclad1 |
Not a late heave ho - we looked better when Cannon and Calvin came on.
At the start of the day I had said I would be happy with a point, so should be satisfied with that. After the match my conclusion was that we lack a leader or leaders on the pitch.
Defensively, we had a back four that I reckon generally across this board are considered individually good enough. But put the buggers together and it's like a bunch of strangers playing together; another goal goes in and they're standing there with resigned looks on their faces. We need leader in defence, someone to marshall the defence and give bollockings. Maybe they're all too nice and polite to each other. Perhaps we should send McGahey on a 'how to be a complete and utter bast*rd' training course so he can add that leadership quality to his game. I've been a big admirer of his since he came to the club and would love to see him add that to his game. Leadership that is, not being a complete and utter bast*rd.
Midfield - said it before, will say it again - Perkins and Rathbone, lots of running around, looking busy but with no identifiable purpose. Not sure what MJ was adding to the equation. No leadership, no direction in midfield. Give it leadership, give it purpose - job done.
Up front - without the foundations behind them, it is difficult to really assess. Clough no discernible difference from Williams from my perspective yesterday, but given the build up and what was being provided to the frontline, how can you tell.
Leadership - the ability to organise, bollock, encourage and lead by commitment on the pitch. Oh for a new Jonah! |
A good read and fair points. Leadership would seem essential in a team game and Jones would be many peoples' pick but we've had a promotion and higher finishes without Jones? One of the advantages of playing 3 at the back is that it allows us to 'risk' McNulty (in the middle of that 3) as he is our best leader on the pitch. Agree entirely about McGahey's quality and lots of our kids are nice and polite (not a bad thing). Logically it should be the role for the captain and Hendo's commitment's not in doubt but organising others or controlling his own petulance is a different question! | |
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| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 10:07 - Oct 7 with 2396 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 08:13 - Oct 7 by BartRowou |
I thought it was a very boring game despite the four goals.
We looked shaky in defence but Lillis didn't have much to do; we looked unable to break them down up top but scored two goals.
So overall, as others have said, it's a good point against a team doing well.
My favourite bit was the patch of sunlight on the pitch near the end of the game when the rest of it was in shade. Rafferty looked like a figure from an Edward Hopper painting. But it wasn't worth Ā£22.
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Boring? Surprised DA hasnāt taken you to task for this! | |
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| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 10:20 - Oct 7 with 2349 views | tony_roch975 |
| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 09:44 - Oct 7 by smaclad1 |
I had never thought about using this board as place for postings about art appreciation, but in light of the above post I will just add to my Sunderland related posts where the casual observer might have gained the impression that it was all about beer. It was nearly all about beer, but....
I did pay a visit to Sunderland art gallery in the hope that there might be some examples of pictures by the Pitmen Painters - the original group came from Northumberland, but the tag has been attached to a wider range of work by ex-miners such as Norman Cornish across the north east coalfield.
But no, nothing, nowt, zilch. There was however a permanent exhibition of L S Lowry which struck me as a bit 'taking coals to Newcastle' sort of affair. To be fair, all the works exhibited were of north east scenes from his many visits to and holidays taken in the north east , but still odd that they have regional representations by a non-local painter, but nothing from local artists.
https://normancornish.com/homepage/about-norman-cornish |
Original Pitmen Painters were another great product of the brilliant Workers Educational Association, sadly neutered by the Blair Government. Had similar experience couple of years ago making the trip to the Turner Gallery in Margate which had 3 exhibitions but no Turners! | |
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| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 10:25 - Oct 7 with 2324 views | D_Alien |
| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 08:26 - Oct 7 by smaclad1 |
Not a late heave ho - we looked better when Cannon and Calvin came on.
At the start of the day I had said I would be happy with a point, so should be satisfied with that. After the match my conclusion was that we lack a leader or leaders on the pitch.
Defensively, we had a back four that I reckon generally across this board are considered individually good enough. But put the buggers together and it's like a bunch of strangers playing together; another goal goes in and they're standing there with resigned looks on their faces. We need leader in defence, someone to marshall the defence and give bollockings. Maybe they're all too nice and polite to each other. Perhaps we should send McGahey on a 'how to be a complete and utter bast*rd' training course so he can add that leadership quality to his game. I've been a big admirer of his since he came to the club and would love to see him add that to his game. Leadership that is, not being a complete and utter bast*rd.
Midfield - said it before, will say it again - Perkins and Rathbone, lots of running around, looking busy but with no identifiable purpose. Not sure what MJ was adding to the equation. No leadership, no direction in midfield. Give it leadership, give it purpose - job done.
Up front - without the foundations behind them, it is difficult to really assess. Clough no discernible difference from Williams from my perspective yesterday, but given the build up and what was being provided to the frontline, how can you tell.
Leadership - the ability to organise, bollock, encourage and lead by commitment on the pitch. Oh for a new Jonah! |
Well, that's the second post this week from your good self that deserves plaudits
Taking in the cultural heritage of a region while visiting for erstwhile Dale purposes can only be applauded. I didn't get to the gallery but went on for some history and exercise at Hadrian's Wall
It's always good to get some perspective on a performance too for those of us who couldn't make it, so thanks to yourself and BartRowou for that (and DL for the prompt!)
Since the subject of art has been broached, Castlefield Gallery in Manchester sponsor New Art Spaces (NAS) by taking over unused spaces such as retail premises (on a temporary or sometimes longer-term basis) and converting them for exhibitions to promote emerging or mid-career artists. There was one such at the Wheatsheaf Centre earlier this year, now closed. In a couple of weeks time, a kind of flagship example of this will open in the former M&S furniture store at the Trafford Centre - its on two floors, both about the size of football pitches, so a huge undertaking. It might've opened before now but they didn't want it to clash for publicity purposes with next week's Manchester Contemporary Art Fair
The reason i mention this is, the last two years-worth of my work will be on show at NAS Trafford Centre. Not got a precise date for the opening yet, until other artists return from various places both at home and abroad where they've been exhibiting. That might give some idea of the scale of it
Apologies for those without the slightest interest in art for interrupting your Sunday morning footy, but the Hopper painting just provided an opportunity to plug this - and that's all i'm saying about it
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| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 10:38 - Oct 7 with 2277 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 10:25 - Oct 7 by D_Alien |
Well, that's the second post this week from your good self that deserves plaudits
Taking in the cultural heritage of a region while visiting for erstwhile Dale purposes can only be applauded. I didn't get to the gallery but went on for some history and exercise at Hadrian's Wall
It's always good to get some perspective on a performance too for those of us who couldn't make it, so thanks to yourself and BartRowou for that (and DL for the prompt!)
Since the subject of art has been broached, Castlefield Gallery in Manchester sponsor New Art Spaces (NAS) by taking over unused spaces such as retail premises (on a temporary or sometimes longer-term basis) and converting them for exhibitions to promote emerging or mid-career artists. There was one such at the Wheatsheaf Centre earlier this year, now closed. In a couple of weeks time, a kind of flagship example of this will open in the former M&S furniture store at the Trafford Centre - its on two floors, both about the size of football pitches, so a huge undertaking. It might've opened before now but they didn't want it to clash for publicity purposes with next week's Manchester Contemporary Art Fair
The reason i mention this is, the last two years-worth of my work will be on show at NAS Trafford Centre. Not got a precise date for the opening yet, until other artists return from various places both at home and abroad where they've been exhibiting. That might give some idea of the scale of it
Apologies for those without the slightest interest in art for interrupting your Sunday morning footy, but the Hopper painting just provided an opportunity to plug this - and that's all i'm saying about it
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| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 10:51 - Oct 7 with 2236 views | scarrow |
| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 09:53 - Oct 7 by tony_roch975 |
A good read and fair points. Leadership would seem essential in a team game and Jones would be many peoples' pick but we've had a promotion and higher finishes without Jones? One of the advantages of playing 3 at the back is that it allows us to 'risk' McNulty (in the middle of that 3) as he is our best leader on the pitch. Agree entirely about McGahey's quality and lots of our kids are nice and polite (not a bad thing). Logically it should be the role for the captain and Hendo's commitment's not in doubt but organising others or controlling his own petulance is a different question! |
I've said we need a Gareth Griffiths, Mark Monington or even a guy Branson type character in defensive. Our defenders are too nice. It's been a problem for too long now. Some grit and determination needed [Post edited 7 Oct 2018 11:31]
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| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 10:56 - Oct 7 with 2233 views | fitzochris |
Whoever was asking the questions at the end of Hillās post-match interview got straight to the point and, to be fair, Hill answered him. Refreshing on both counts. |  |
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| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 11:05 - Oct 7 with 2210 views | 442Dale |
| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 10:56 - Oct 7 by fitzochris |
Whoever was asking the questions at the end of Hillās post-match interview got straight to the point and, to be fair, Hill answered him. Refreshing on both counts. |
What was said? Only saw the YouTube version. |  |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 11:30 - Oct 7 with 2143 views | scarrow |
| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 09:53 - Oct 7 by tony_roch975 |
A good read and fair points. Leadership would seem essential in a team game and Jones would be many peoples' pick but we've had a promotion and higher finishes without Jones? One of the advantages of playing 3 at the back is that it allows us to 'risk' McNulty (in the middle of that 3) as he is our best leader on the pitch. Agree entirely about McGahey's quality and lots of our kids are nice and polite (not a bad thing). Logically it should be the role for the captain and Hendo's commitment's not in doubt but organising others or controlling his own petulance is a different question! |
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| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 11:58 - Oct 7 with 2055 views | dingdangblue |
| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 10:56 - Oct 7 by fitzochris |
Whoever was asking the questions at the end of Hillās post-match interview got straight to the point and, to be fair, Hill answered him. Refreshing on both counts. |
Did they ask "why is Andy Cannon not starting games" ? |  |
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| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 13:03 - Oct 7 with 1960 views | smaclad1 |
| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 09:53 - Oct 7 by tony_roch975 |
A good read and fair points. Leadership would seem essential in a team game and Jones would be many peoples' pick but we've had a promotion and higher finishes without Jones? One of the advantages of playing 3 at the back is that it allows us to 'risk' McNulty (in the middle of that 3) as he is our best leader on the pitch. Agree entirely about McGahey's quality and lots of our kids are nice and polite (not a bad thing). Logically it should be the role for the captain and Hendo's commitment's not in doubt but organising others or controlling his own petulance is a different question! |
Jones is always the name that comes to my mind when thinking about leadership of Rochdale teams so it will always be the name I throw in. You're right (this time  ), doesn't have to be a Jones type character but just someone, ANYONE, to take the team and/or a game by the scruff of the neck.
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| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 13:36 - Oct 7 with 1895 views | James1980 |
Re lack of leaders on the pitch. Is it because we don't have players with the right personalities or because they have been told to leave the leading to the Captain?
I can't see it being the latter and doubt it is really the former | |
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| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 13:46 - Oct 7 with 1871 views | smaclad1 |
| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 13:36 - Oct 7 by James1980 |
Re lack of leaders on the pitch. Is it because we don't have players with the right personalities or because they have been told to leave the leading to the Captain?
I can't see it being the latter and doubt it is really the former |
Come on James. You've seen the Dale first hand recently. Who was leading on the pitch, who was exerting their authority over the team?
Tell me, give me examples as to how this was demonstrated, persuade me that someone was giving the impression of clear authority on the pitch and I'll withdraw my remarks. I ain't going to do it because you can't. | | | |
| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 13:51 - Oct 7 with 1849 views | James1980 |
| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 13:46 - Oct 7 by smaclad1 |
Come on James. You've seen the Dale first hand recently. Who was leading on the pitch, who was exerting their authority over the team?
Tell me, give me examples as to how this was demonstrated, persuade me that someone was giving the impression of clear authority on the pitch and I'll withdraw my remarks. I ain't going to do it because you can't. |
Wasn't there yesterday so can't comment on the game at Blackpool. I wasn't saying there are leaders. But asking the route cause of why there are not.
Is it can't lead, won't lead, told not to lead? | |
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| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 13:55 - Oct 7 with 1839 views | jonahwhereru |
Given the numbers of experienced professionals in the squad it is surprising there isnāt a leader among them.
Henderson is captain by default because he is an automatic pick rather than a leader. Calvin strikes me as unassuming and isnāt a regular starter.
Perkins has the right profile to be a leader on the pitch but I donāt see him fulfilling that role when he plays.
When we have had players like Ford, Jones and Reid I guess the supporters are going to notice something is missing until another player of their ilk arrives. It wonāt be this season unless we loan a few out because the squad is already bloated. | | | |
| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 14:19 - Oct 7 with 1783 views | James1980 |
If another play tries to be a leader can you see Hendo pulling them up saying I am the Captain, I give the orders, or Keith saying. Hendo's my Captain if I had wanted you to wear the armband I'd have given it too you? | |
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| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 17:03 - Oct 7 with 1628 views | Shun |
| Dale at Blackpool....team news on 07:01 - Oct 7 by DaleiLama |
From anyone who went - how well did we play and were we good for our point or was it a late heave ho and we got lucky? Ta |
I think the reason not much has been said about the game is that itās all been said before. Yesterday was frustratingly similar to most other games this season. The defence was weak, the midfield was energetic and full of running but lightweight and delivered misplaced passes galore, players showed touches of skill and class but didnāt do enough with them, we controlled possession but again didnāt do enough with it, and the team as a whole looked so vulnerable to crosses and set pieces.
I was excited to see a front two of Henderson and Clough but the latter wasnāt much of an upgrade on Williams, although I hope thatās just due to lack of match practice.
Cannon continues to provide energy and bite when he comes on, yet still gets far too few minutes. Hill clearly has a problem with him as heās undeniably one of our best midfielders and should be starting games, yet the more he keeps him on the bench the more he turns him from an already fansā favourite into some sort of martyr, where the fans cheer his name more fervently than any other playerās in what is surely as much a dig at Hill as it is a show of support for Cannon. |  | | |
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