| Millwall match 21:25 - Sep 6 with 18157 views | mygeneration |
QPR1st have been asked to attend a meeting with representatives of the club and the police . The purpose of the meeting will be for the Police in conjunction with the Clu to explain what safety precautions are going to be taken for the QPR v Millwall match, with the aim of ensuring that both sets of fans can enjoy the game safely.
Any thoughts/ issues please add to this thread by 5 pm tomorrow or email info@qpr1st.com
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| Millwall match on 17:02 - Sep 7 with 3546 views | stowmarketrange |
| Millwall match on 12:51 - Sep 7 by enfieldargh |
They've either sold out their allocation or not coming as they have a live beamback at their gaff |
Maybe the New Den will be the safest place to watch the game from?0 |  | | |
| Millwall match on 17:11 - Sep 7 with 3527 views | Northernr |
| Millwall match on 15:37 - Sep 7 by francisbowles |
I don't know if this is practical but how about only letting them out, late, onto South Africa Road and then escorting them along Blomfontein Rd and down the A40 to White City station. |
Few years ago at theirs we got held back, then put on a train to london bridge, then marched down to the northern line at london bridge - regardless of where we were going. there were people who'd parked near the ground who were forced onto the northern line at London Bridge, ended up having to make the trek all the way back to the ground to get their car at gone midnight. I was staying with my then mrs in Hammersmith that night and it took me longer to get back there from the Den than it did for us to drive back to the Bush from Burton Albion last season.
Maybe we could march them to White City, put them on the central line to ealing broadway, then take them off at ealing broadway and stick them on a train there to Didcot? |  | | |
| Millwall match on 17:23 - Sep 7 with 3496 views | Watford_Ranger |
Have they got both tiers out of interest? |  | | |
| Millwall match on 17:28 - Sep 7 with 3486 views | Mick_S |
| Millwall match on 17:11 - Sep 7 by Northernr |
Few years ago at theirs we got held back, then put on a train to london bridge, then marched down to the northern line at london bridge - regardless of where we were going. there were people who'd parked near the ground who were forced onto the northern line at London Bridge, ended up having to make the trek all the way back to the ground to get their car at gone midnight. I was staying with my then mrs in Hammersmith that night and it took me longer to get back there from the Den than it did for us to drive back to the Bush from Burton Albion last season.
Maybe we could march them to White City, put them on the central line to ealing broadway, then take them off at ealing broadway and stick them on a train there to Didcot? |
What? And risk a repeat of these UGLY SCENES v Hereford?
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| Millwall match on 17:36 - Sep 7 with 3467 views | Mick_S |
| Millwall match on 17:23 - Sep 7 by Watford_Ranger |
Have they got both tiers out of interest? |
Upper only, as far as I think I remember reading. | |
| Did I ever mention that I was in Minder? |
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| Millwall match on 18:40 - Sep 7 with 3422 views | mygeneration |
Thanks folk for your comments and ideas. Will report back on what the Club and the police tell us. Yes it is depressing that we even have to consider the risk of trouble in this day and age. | | | |
| Millwall match on 18:52 - Sep 7 with 3396 views | MedwayR |
| Millwall match on 11:55 - Sep 7 by qpr1976 |
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Generally correct, but last time we played them at LR (possibly an evening game also) I seem to recall our fans were the ones throwing darts into the away end ! Now i'm not sure if they were just returning fire but still an awful thing to do. We're no angels, ask Villa. |
I seem to recall that one of their fans got hit by a dart after the game outside the stadium which was only about an inch from puncturing his lung. Their fans then spent a week crying on about how we're all khunts for doing such a thing and then it turned out it was a Millwall fan that threw the dart and they all scuttled off and pretended it never happened.
Of course we have our share of idiots, but we all know who the problem is here. |  |
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| Millwall match on 18:58 - Sep 7 with 3382 views | smegma |
| Millwall match on 17:23 - Sep 7 by Watford_Ranger |
Have they got both tiers out of interest? |
They have 1,500 in the upper tier. | | | |
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| Millwall match on 19:02 - Sep 7 with 3377 views | danehoop |
Its a sad indictment of Millwall that they are the only club that we have to have this sort of preparation for. I shall never forget coming out of a game with them at HQ about and walking back towards White City station thinking that I had never seen so many policemen, police dogs, police horses and police helicopters in one small place anywhere before at a football game anywhere in the world.
Whatever past for humanity in the away end at the time had twice failed to break through the barriers to the home fans during the game and then ended up having a fight amongst themselves about two thirds of the way through the second half before trying to pull out seats.
Truly horrible experience and very unpleasant group of "fans." |  |
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| Millwall match on 19:07 - Sep 7 with 3363 views | Hayesender |
| Millwall match on 17:11 - Sep 7 by Northernr |
Few years ago at theirs we got held back, then put on a train to london bridge, then marched down to the northern line at london bridge - regardless of where we were going. there were people who'd parked near the ground who were forced onto the northern line at London Bridge, ended up having to make the trek all the way back to the ground to get their car at gone midnight. I was staying with my then mrs in Hammersmith that night and it took me longer to get back there from the Den than it did for us to drive back to the Bush from Burton Albion last season.
Maybe we could march them to White City, put them on the central line to ealing broadway, then take them off at ealing broadway and stick them on a train there to Didcot? |
With all due respect feck off. That's the way I'll be going home |  |
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| Millwall match on 19:09 - Sep 7 with 3354 views | LongsufferingR |
| Millwall match on 22:24 - Sep 6 by kingsburyR |
Keep them in after the game for 20 mins!!! |
This.
Why is this tactic no longer a thing? Granted it got over used in the bad old days, but recently we've either had them being let out at the same time (asking for trouble), or even worse, home fans being directed right round the other side of the ground to get away instead of walking down SAR. Can't think of a game where holding the away fans in would be more appropriate tbh unless they're worried about them smashing up the ground. |  | | |
| Millwall match on 19:11 - Sep 7 with 3350 views | smegma |
| Millwall match on 10:33 - Sep 7 by dodge_stoke_r |
I don't know how you would stop any trouble before hand. But surely keeping the away supporters in for 15/20 minutes after the game is the best way to get home fans away from the ground safely. Also why don't Millwall FC take some responsibility and introduce a sort of away members only set up. Whereby you have to be registered and can only buy one ticket per member. Not cool proof I'll grant you, but Stoke did something like the about 10 years ago and it stopped a lot of trouble at away games. |
They have the strictest rules for their away membership. | | | |
| Millwall match on 19:26 - Sep 7 with 3333 views | Hadders |
No solution for next week, but I think in the long term, Millwall games (including at The Den) should be treated like normal matches, with the same police presence you get anywhere, forcing them to mingle with other supporters outside the ground. Sounds nuts, and of course there would be some incidents (which could be dealt with as at any other match), but I suspect all this palaver about security plays into their mythology: they love feeling like an invading army so terrifying that they need an escort wherever they go. Perhaps less neanderthal Millwall fans (and I know a couple personally, as well as the wonderful Danny Baker) are put off going away by all that crap too, so you're left with the hard core twerps. Treat them like grown-ups and maybe they will grow up, eventually. [Post edited 7 Sep 2017 19:28]
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| Millwall match on 19:39 - Sep 7 with 3317 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Millwall match on 19:26 - Sep 7 by Hadders |
No solution for next week, but I think in the long term, Millwall games (including at The Den) should be treated like normal matches, with the same police presence you get anywhere, forcing them to mingle with other supporters outside the ground. Sounds nuts, and of course there would be some incidents (which could be dealt with as at any other match), but I suspect all this palaver about security plays into their mythology: they love feeling like an invading army so terrifying that they need an escort wherever they go. Perhaps less neanderthal Millwall fans (and I know a couple personally, as well as the wonderful Danny Baker) are put off going away by all that crap too, so you're left with the hard core twerps. Treat them like grown-ups and maybe they will grow up, eventually. [Post edited 7 Sep 2017 19:28]
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It's not a bad theory at all but most of them are at least 40 and while a few of the gobbier ones would get a deserved slap, it's not worth it for the inevitable incident where an innocent fan gets hurt. | | | |
| Millwall match on 19:52 - Sep 7 with 3296 views | BlackCrowe |
Alas ir doesn't work like that. They are 32-60 year old adults behaving like brain-dead no marks from some C4 series. They think theyre special, the rest of the country think they're special needs. Losers. |  |
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| Millwall match on 12:11 - Sep 8 with 3014 views | LythamR |
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QPR1st and the LSA met representatives of the club, the police and Millwall fans. Based on current intelligence the police have said that their response will be ‘graduated and proportionate’. There will be no specific escort of Millwall fans to the ground although officers will be stationed at key points. Millwall fans will not be held back at the end of the game.
The club has confirmed that Ellerslie Road will be the only entry/exit point for Millwall fans. At the end of the match they will be directed towards Bloemfontein Road. QPR fans are advised by the police to arrive early and those in Ellersie Road to leave in the direction of Loftus Road.
QPR1st representatives suggested keeping Millwall fans in after the match for a short period to minimise contact between the two sets of fans. It is understood that this option will only be considered if there is trouble on the night prior to the match ending. |  | | |
| Millwall match on 13:24 - Sep 8 with 2890 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Millwall match on 12:11 - Sep 8 by LythamR |
Just posted
QPR1st and the LSA met representatives of the club, the police and Millwall fans. Based on current intelligence the police have said that their response will be ‘graduated and proportionate’. There will be no specific escort of Millwall fans to the ground although officers will be stationed at key points. Millwall fans will not be held back at the end of the game.
The club has confirmed that Ellerslie Road will be the only entry/exit point for Millwall fans. At the end of the match they will be directed towards Bloemfontein Road. QPR fans are advised by the police to arrive early and those in Ellersie Road to leave in the direction of Loftus Road.
QPR1st representatives suggested keeping Millwall fans in after the match for a short period to minimise contact between the two sets of fans. It is understood that this option will only be considered if there is trouble on the night prior to the match ending. |
This raises the interesting dynamic that to avoid bigger problems outside the ground there would probably have to be a small amount of trouble inside the ground.
Keeping them in for 20 mins seems a no brainer to me, but what do I know? | | | |
| Millwall match on 13:27 - Sep 8 with 2882 views | makaveli1882 |
| Millwall match on 12:11 - Sep 8 by LythamR |
Just posted
QPR1st and the LSA met representatives of the club, the police and Millwall fans. Based on current intelligence the police have said that their response will be ‘graduated and proportionate’. There will be no specific escort of Millwall fans to the ground although officers will be stationed at key points. Millwall fans will not be held back at the end of the game.
The club has confirmed that Ellerslie Road will be the only entry/exit point for Millwall fans. At the end of the match they will be directed towards Bloemfontein Road. QPR fans are advised by the police to arrive early and those in Ellersie Road to leave in the direction of Loftus Road.
QPR1st representatives suggested keeping Millwall fans in after the match for a short period to minimise contact between the two sets of fans. It is understood that this option will only be considered if there is trouble on the night prior to the match ending. |
QPR1st representatives suggested keeping Millwall fans in after the match for a short period to minimise contact between the two sets of fans. It is understood that this option will only be considered if there is trouble on the night prior to the match ending.
W&nkers,I always get the impression they want something to happen.
Not hard lock them in for 15 mins, clear south africa road let us get a head start to cars, tube and pubs and send them home, simples | | | |
| Millwall match on 13:40 - Sep 8 with 2841 views | dodge_stoke_r |
| Millwall match on 13:24 - Sep 8 by Watford_Ranger |
This raises the interesting dynamic that to avoid bigger problems outside the ground there would probably have to be a small amount of trouble inside the ground.
Keeping them in for 20 mins seems a no brainer to me, but what do I know? |
I'd have to agree. But who knows, it may be a very enjoyable evening for all concerned  |  | | |
| Millwall match on 13:44 - Sep 8 with 2831 views | Northernr |
There does seem to be a growing movement, and it will grow further after the ridiculous scenes at Bournemouth last week, to stop criminalising football fans. Cardiff, where there used to be loads of trouble, have found that by treating the away fans with respect, letting them drink, stewards wearing their colours, be polite, let them drink where they like etc that it's actually reduced trouble there massively.
If you shove fans about, pen them in, be really heavy handed with them it's actually often counter productive.
Whether this applies to Millwall or not I don't know. | | | |
| Millwall match on 13:47 - Sep 8 with 2817 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Millwall match on 13:44 - Sep 8 by Northernr |
There does seem to be a growing movement, and it will grow further after the ridiculous scenes at Bournemouth last week, to stop criminalising football fans. Cardiff, where there used to be loads of trouble, have found that by treating the away fans with respect, letting them drink, stewards wearing their colours, be polite, let them drink where they like etc that it's actually reduced trouble there massively.
If you shove fans about, pen them in, be really heavy handed with them it's actually often counter productive.
Whether this applies to Millwall or not I don't know. |
Couldn't agree more, but Millwall often seem to be the exception to that rule.
Let's see what happens if West Ham go down and they stay up. | | | |
| Millwall match on 13:53 - Sep 8 with 2801 views | bigstevec |
| Millwall match on 12:11 - Sep 8 by LythamR |
Just posted
QPR1st and the LSA met representatives of the club, the police and Millwall fans. Based on current intelligence the police have said that their response will be ‘graduated and proportionate’. There will be no specific escort of Millwall fans to the ground although officers will be stationed at key points. Millwall fans will not be held back at the end of the game.
The club has confirmed that Ellerslie Road will be the only entry/exit point for Millwall fans. At the end of the match they will be directed towards Bloemfontein Road. QPR fans are advised by the police to arrive early and those in Ellersie Road to leave in the direction of Loftus Road.
QPR1st representatives suggested keeping Millwall fans in after the match for a short period to minimise contact between the two sets of fans. It is understood that this option will only be considered if there is trouble on the night prior to the match ending. |
Out of interest who from the LSA was there as it's not usual for us to be invited to these things. |  | | |
| Millwall match on 13:53 - Sep 8 with 2801 views | RBlock |
| Millwall match on 12:11 - Sep 8 by LythamR |
Just posted
QPR1st and the LSA met representatives of the club, the police and Millwall fans. Based on current intelligence the police have said that their response will be ‘graduated and proportionate’. There will be no specific escort of Millwall fans to the ground although officers will be stationed at key points. Millwall fans will not be held back at the end of the game.
The club has confirmed that Ellerslie Road will be the only entry/exit point for Millwall fans. At the end of the match they will be directed towards Bloemfontein Road. QPR fans are advised by the police to arrive early and those in Ellersie Road to leave in the direction of Loftus Road.
QPR1st representatives suggested keeping Millwall fans in after the match for a short period to minimise contact between the two sets of fans. It is understood that this option will only be considered if there is trouble on the night prior to the match ending. |
See this is annoying. I sit on Ellerslie Road and have absolutely no intention of going towards Loftus Road. I'm going back to either the Crown or the Adelaide, no towards Shepherds Bush. Booooo I say, booooooooo |  | | |
| Millwall match on 14:49 - Sep 8 with 2711 views | 1MoreBrightonR |
what happened at Bournemouth? that bypassed me. | | | |
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