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Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? 09:28 - Aug 3 with 5257 viewsBrianMcCarthy

Striking stuff at Legia Warsaw last night.

Personally, I think that a sports and politics are inseparable and, though I wouldn't admire Legia's far-right violent tendencies, there's something admirable about this. I just can't decide if it's misguided or not.

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2017/08/02/legia-warsaw-fans-tifo-warsaw-uprisi

"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
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Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 09:50 - Aug 3 with 3670 viewsstevec

Don't really see why it's misguided Brian.

What is misguided is the anti Brexit crowd seemingly happy being led by the very same nation that committed these vile atrocities.

You've all got grandfathers and great grandfathers who, somewhere along the line, had their lives turned upside down, yet happily support German control. I really don't get it.
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Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 09:52 - Aug 3 with 3661 viewsrunningman75

I think this is a great gesture. Though far right rise in Poland is worrying having been to Krakow and Auschwitz it is important to remember history. Also many conspiracy theorists see the holocaust industry as a Hollywood invention and it is important to remember the horrors of World War 2.
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Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 10:14 - Aug 3 with 3619 viewsJeff

Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 09:50 - Aug 3 by stevec

Don't really see why it's misguided Brian.

What is misguided is the anti Brexit crowd seemingly happy being led by the very same nation that committed these vile atrocities.

You've all got grandfathers and great grandfathers who, somewhere along the line, had their lives turned upside down, yet happily support German control. I really don't get it.


Wait, are you suggesting that there is no difference between 1940's Germany and 2010 Germany?

Can we not knock it?

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Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 10:17 - Aug 3 with 3610 viewsNorthernr

Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 09:50 - Aug 3 by stevec

Don't really see why it's misguided Brian.

What is misguided is the anti Brexit crowd seemingly happy being led by the very same nation that committed these vile atrocities.

You've all got grandfathers and great grandfathers who, somewhere along the line, had their lives turned upside down, yet happily support German control. I really don't get it.


There are subtle differences between Hitler's Germany of the 1930s and Merkel's Germany of 2017 if you look really hard.

FFS etc.

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Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 10:27 - Aug 3 with 3570 viewsMytch_QPR

Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 09:50 - Aug 3 by stevec

Don't really see why it's misguided Brian.

What is misguided is the anti Brexit crowd seemingly happy being led by the very same nation that committed these vile atrocities.

You've all got grandfathers and great grandfathers who, somewhere along the line, had their lives turned upside down, yet happily support German control. I really don't get it.


It's good to know that Great Britain has never committed any abuse of human rights like, say, slavery.

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Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 10:34 - Aug 3 with 3546 viewsTacticalR

Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 09:50 - Aug 3 by stevec

Don't really see why it's misguided Brian.

What is misguided is the anti Brexit crowd seemingly happy being led by the very same nation that committed these vile atrocities.

You've all got grandfathers and great grandfathers who, somewhere along the line, had their lives turned upside down, yet happily support German control. I really don't get it.


My memory might be playing tricks on me, but wasn't it a particular gripe of yours that you couldn't enter BBC buildings dressed as Hitler?

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Another myth.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyns-team-send-complaint-to-bbc-over-its-hatchet-job-panorama-programme-10495955.html



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Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 10:41 - Aug 3 with 3516 viewsnadera78

Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 09:50 - Aug 3 by stevec

Don't really see why it's misguided Brian.

What is misguided is the anti Brexit crowd seemingly happy being led by the very same nation that committed these vile atrocities.

You've all got grandfathers and great grandfathers who, somewhere along the line, had their lives turned upside down, yet happily support German control. I really don't get it.


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Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 10:42 - Aug 3 with 3512 viewshopphoops

Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 09:50 - Aug 3 by stevec

Don't really see why it's misguided Brian.

What is misguided is the anti Brexit crowd seemingly happy being led by the very same nation that committed these vile atrocities.

You've all got grandfathers and great grandfathers who, somewhere along the line, had their lives turned upside down, yet happily support German control. I really don't get it.


My grandfather nearly starved to death in 1918 in a POW camp, and my father nearly died and spent years having his face and hands reconstructed after his tank was hit on the way to Arnhem.

I've moved on, and I think the EU is a powerful force for good, in Europe and globally.

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Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 10:53 - Aug 3 with 3477 viewsBrianMcCarthy

Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 09:50 - Aug 3 by stevec

Don't really see why it's misguided Brian.

What is misguided is the anti Brexit crowd seemingly happy being led by the very same nation that committed these vile atrocities.

You've all got grandfathers and great grandfathers who, somewhere along the line, had their lives turned upside down, yet happily support German control. I really don't get it.


Sorry, I didn't see the Brexit link!

I'm sure next week they'll do a Brexit display. Now that the trifling matter of 160,000 slaughtered has been disposed of.
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Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 10:55 - Aug 3 with 3466 viewsBrianMcCarthy

Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 10:27 - Aug 3 by Mytch_QPR

It's good to know that Great Britain has never committed any abuse of human rights like, say, slavery.


Well, yes.

"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
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Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 11:01 - Aug 3 with 3449 viewsBrightonhoop

We know how ugly War in Europe can get, not just the 2 World Wars and history, but more recently the Serbian wars in our lifetimes too showed just how grim it can get.

And I've often thought tribalism in football/sport acts like a safety valve which is better than going to war. Life is political.
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Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 11:08 - Aug 3 with 3429 viewsdanehoop

Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 10:55 - Aug 3 by BrianMcCarthy

Well, yes.


Agreed, but equally and probably less well known is the steps that they took to stop slavery once William Wilberforce led the change to law in 1807. Wikipedia provides a surprisingly good summary of measures that the British took either unilaterally or multilaterally to end the slave trade globally thereafter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_Trade_Act_1807

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Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 11:20 - Aug 3 with 3395 viewspaulparker

Maybe someone should tell Celtic and their scummy fans about the title of the thread
pro republican and songs about Lee Rigby really sum up what utter kunts they are

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Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 11:22 - Aug 3 with 3392 viewsstumbleandfall

Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 09:50 - Aug 3 by stevec

Don't really see why it's misguided Brian.

What is misguided is the anti Brexit crowd seemingly happy being led by the very same nation that committed these vile atrocities.

You've all got grandfathers and great grandfathers who, somewhere along the line, had their lives turned upside down, yet happily support German control. I really don't get it.


Hysterical.

Replying to an Irishman about national atrocities of the German.

Conveniently forgetting Bloody Sunday which was more recent than WW2.

We also have a past to forget, Boer War, Empire etc. Let's not throw rocks at the Germans without owning our own past.
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Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 11:26 - Aug 3 with 3381 viewshopphoops

Back to the tifo: it's quite something, if not calculated to ease the life of the millions of Poles in Germany.

One thing in its favour, they haven't put 2017 on it so they can use it again next year.
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Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 11:33 - Aug 3 with 3358 viewscolinallcars

Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 10:27 - Aug 3 by Mytch_QPR

It's good to know that Great Britain has never committed any abuse of human rights like, say, slavery.


It's an old chestnut, but slavery was in its sad existence for thousands of years before Britain was involved. Yes, we were a leading participant but at least led the way in abolition.
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Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 11:47 - Aug 3 with 3323 viewskensalriser

I don't identify with the Britain that indulged in atrocities before and during the Colonial years, and I've never met a German that identifies with Nazi Germany.

Stop trolling Steve. I don't believe for a second that you're as moronic as you try to make out.

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Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 12:10 - Aug 3 with 3285 viewsDorse

Did anyone else notice that, according to the article, the Warsaw Uprising took place 3 months after the Germans surrendered?

As you were.

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Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 12:15 - Aug 3 with 3276 viewsBrianMcCarthy

Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 11:08 - Aug 3 by danehoop

Agreed, but equally and probably less well known is the steps that they took to stop slavery once William Wilberforce led the change to law in 1807. Wikipedia provides a surprisingly good summary of measures that the British took either unilaterally or multilaterally to end the slave trade globally thereafter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_Trade_Act_1807


Good point. Little consolation to the hundreds of thousands of Irish slaves imprisoned and sold by the English, but the anti-slavery moment when it came was laudable.

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Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 12:17 - Aug 3 with 3268 viewsBrianMcCarthy

Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 11:22 - Aug 3 by stumbleandfall

Hysterical.

Replying to an Irishman about national atrocities of the German.

Conveniently forgetting Bloody Sunday which was more recent than WW2.

We also have a past to forget, Boer War, Empire etc. Let's not throw rocks at the Germans without owning our own past.


Hey, let's not forget that ye also gave us EastEnders.

Then again, sorry for Jedward...truce?

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Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 12:19 - Aug 3 with 3263 viewsBrianMcCarthy

Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 11:20 - Aug 3 by paulparker

Maybe someone should tell Celtic and their scummy fans about the title of the thread
pro republican and songs about Lee Rigby really sum up what utter kunts they are


Well, that's where I can't make my mind up.

I detest Celtic and their sectarianism as much as anyone on this board, and Glasgow Rangers and their filth equally, but I do kind of admire the Celtic fans links with Palestine.

Hence the question mark in the title - I can't make my mind up if sports and politics should be separated, or can be.

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Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 12:40 - Aug 3 with 3220 viewsrobith

Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 10:27 - Aug 3 by Mytch_QPR

It's good to know that Great Britain has never committed any abuse of human rights like, say, slavery.


Well, you can't blame him for not knowing, we had an actual, concentrated government operation to get rid of all the evidence of Britain's horrors

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Legacy

Kenya, Tasmania, Bengal, Ireland. Britain would be much more successful and free if it came to terms with her colonial past in the way Germany has with the crimes of the Nazis. I can't help but notice there is a rather large overlap of people who think the EU is monstrous foreign body that denies us our freedom, and people who say the British Empire was a good thing
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Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 12:42 - Aug 3 with 3212 viewsrobith

Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 12:15 - Aug 3 by BrianMcCarthy

Good point. Little consolation to the hundreds of thousands of Irish slaves imprisoned and sold by the English, but the anti-slavery moment when it came was laudable.


Brian, I respect you a great deal, but Irish slaves is a massive myth and to conflate the slave trade with indentured servitude is v dangerous in my opinion
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Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 12:43 - Aug 3 with 3206 viewsMrSheen

Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 12:15 - Aug 3 by BrianMcCarthy

Good point. Little consolation to the hundreds of thousands of Irish slaves imprisoned and sold by the English, but the anti-slavery moment when it came was laudable.


Hmmmmmm...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/17/us/irish-slaves-myth.html
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Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 12:44 - Aug 3 with 3201 viewsrobith

Sports and Politics Shouldn't Mix? on 11:08 - Aug 3 by danehoop

Agreed, but equally and probably less well known is the steps that they took to stop slavery once William Wilberforce led the change to law in 1807. Wikipedia provides a surprisingly good summary of measures that the British took either unilaterally or multilaterally to end the slave trade globally thereafter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_Trade_Act_1807


Being generous though, Britain's efforts were partially driven by ensuring their economy wasn't undercut by those continuing to use slave labour
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