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Corbyn against police shoot to kill at terrorists on 17:40 - Jun 4 by Daggyjack
Corbyn is constantly criticised for speaking with the IRA / Hamas in the past, when we are told that he is siding with the terrorists. He constantly spoke of talking to these groups with the aim of finding a peace process.
Let's go back to April and Theresa May's visit to Saudi Arabia, when she was quoted as saying:
Mrs May said she would also be raising human rights issues with her Saudi hosts, adding that "if we have the relationship we are able to do that".
"So rather than just standing on the sidelines and sniping, it's important to engage, to talk to people, to talk about our interests and to raise, yes, difficult issues when we feel it's necessary to do so."
So May can talk to the Saudi's, (who we supply arms to, to murder thousands of people) in the name of speaking to these groups yet Corbyn is hammered when he does the same.
She has said today that enough is enough. Well, in my eyes, this has come far too late, there have been plenty of murders of innocent people (on both sides of the world) that this has also come far too late for.
For those murdered by last night's latest losers,
R.I.P.
Bluey will be along shortly to ask you if you've got any proof Jezza was only talking to these groups looking for peace.
Just saying.
[Post edited 4 Jun 2017 17:55]
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Whatever people say about Corbyn and his beliefs on this subject, I think it's important to remember the British police do not (and never have (to my knowledge) operated a shoot to kill policy. The link makes it pretty clear what the position is.
Adrian Child's on Radio 5 at present live from Mumbles ripping into Corbyn changing his mind yesterday on shoot to kill and his support for Hamas and the IRA.
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Corbyn against police shoot to kill at terrorists on 12:19 - Jun 5 with 2268 views
Corbyn against police shoot to kill at terrorists on 11:35 - Jun 5 by Valerie
Adrian Child's on Radio 5 at present live from Mumbles ripping into Corbyn changing his mind yesterday on shoot to kill and his support for Hamas and the IRA.
Whereas May simply underfunded the police to create gaping holes in the intelligence network. 3 atrocities in three months
Each time I go to Bedd - au........................
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Corbyn against police shoot to kill at terrorists on 12:37 - Jun 5 with 2252 views
What exactly do people mean by a shoot to kill policy?
If it means, the only way to stop somebody from committing a terrorist act is to shoot them dead, then that has always existed, and Corbyn is in support of that.
I get the feeling some people want it to be more, and want police to shoot to kill a suspect, even if it is possible to stop them without killing them. If this is the case innocent people will be shot.
Imagine some poor Asian van driver who has a medical emergency at the wheel and his van veers off the road, should the police immediately open fire?
The police as always are in a difficult position, damned if they do or don't.
Shoot to kill has never been policy and never should be
Reasonable force( including killing if necessary) is the correct policy, and the one Corbyn advocates.
Corbyn against police shoot to kill at terrorists on 15:57 - Jun 4 by Headmaster
“As we have seen in the recent past, there are clear dangers to us all in any kind of shoot-to-kill policy. And we must ensure that terrorist attacks are not used to undermine the very freedoms and legal protections we are determined to defend. But of course I support the use of whatever proportionate and strictly necessary force is required to save life in response to attacks of the kind we saw in Paris.”
What exactly is a 'shoot to kill' policy? The use of firearms involves the sanctioning of lethal force. Firearms officers are not told to 'put one in his arm' or 'shoot him in the leg' That's the stuff of tv and films. Unless it's changed dramatically, the training is to shoot to stop which means a double tap in the torso. Under Operation Kratos which was the original tactical plan to stop suicide bombers in 2003 - officers had to shoot suspects in the head in order to stop the potential detonation of a device by the suicide bomber. This was why JohnCharles DEMenezes was shot eight times in the head. He was not a terrorist but an illegal immigrant who jumped over the barrier to avoid paying a tube fare. The officer in charge of that job was Cressida Dick. I remember the calls for her, and the officers who pulled the triggers to be publicly crucified for that. No one would have been more torn up than them. My point is? It's a dirty business protecting the public and mistakes get made and the stakes are high. Some people need to get a reality check and grow up. Rant over. Love and Peace to all.
"Yossarian- the very sight of the name made him shudder.There were so many esses in it. It just had to be subversive" (Catch 22)
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Corbyn against police shoot to kill at terrorists on 17:01 - Jun 5 with 2206 views
Corbyn against police shoot to kill at terrorists on 12:37 - Jun 5 by sherpajacob
What exactly do people mean by a shoot to kill policy?
If it means, the only way to stop somebody from committing a terrorist act is to shoot them dead, then that has always existed, and Corbyn is in support of that.
I get the feeling some people want it to be more, and want police to shoot to kill a suspect, even if it is possible to stop them without killing them. If this is the case innocent people will be shot.
Imagine some poor Asian van driver who has a medical emergency at the wheel and his van veers off the road, should the police immediately open fire?
The police as always are in a difficult position, damned if they do or don't.
Shoot to kill has never been policy and never should be
Reasonable force( including killing if necessary) is the correct policy, and the one Corbyn advocates.
Jean Charles de Menezez. Remember him? A Brazilian guy, with absolutely no links to terrorism who was shot dead on the London Underground.
This is exactly the type of incident that Corbyn was referring to when talking about disagreeing with a shoot on sight policy. Mistakes happen, innocent people get killed.
Shooting a terrorist/criminal in the act is a completely different matter and, despite how words get twisted, is not something that Corbyn has ever had an issue with.
Edit - Just noticed Yossarian's post, which also mentions Jean Charles de Menezez
"Our priority must be public safety and I will take whatever action is necessary and effective to protect the security of our people and our country. That includes full authority for the police to use whatever force is necessary to protect and save life as they did last night, as they did in Westminster in March."
Corbyn against police shoot to kill at terrorists on 17:14 - Jun 5 by Glyn1
Jeremy Corbyn this Sunday (i.e. not 2015).
"Our priority must be public safety and I will take whatever action is necessary and effective to protect the security of our people and our country. That includes full authority for the police to use whatever force is necessary to protect and save life as they did last night, as they did in Westminster in March."
Nothing to see here.
The camera view from behind as he parroted that prepared statement was interesting, Glyn.
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
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Corbyn against police shoot to kill at terrorists on 17:23 - Jun 5 with 2175 views
Corbyn against police shoot to kill at terrorists on 17:14 - Jun 5 by Glyn1
Jeremy Corbyn this Sunday (i.e. not 2015).
"Our priority must be public safety and I will take whatever action is necessary and effective to protect the security of our people and our country. That includes full authority for the police to use whatever force is necessary to protect and save life as they did last night, as they did in Westminster in March."
Nothing to see here.
That's a typical Corbyn statement though. If you asked him, "do you support shoot to kill?" I bet you he wouldn't be able to bring himself to say "yes". He always answers using wording like in this example. It was the same when someone said to him in the TV debate "But the IRA killed people, didn't they?". He couldn't say "yes". He said something like "people were killed on both sides".
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Corbyn against police shoot to kill at terrorists on 17:25 - Jun 5 with 2163 views
Corbyn against police shoot to kill at terrorists on 17:23 - Jun 5 by ploppy
That's a typical Corbyn statement though. If you asked him, "do you support shoot to kill?" I bet you he wouldn't be able to bring himself to say "yes". He always answers using wording like in this example. It was the same when someone said to him in the TV debate "But the IRA killed people, didn't they?". He couldn't say "yes". He said something like "people were killed on both sides".
Which bit of "full authority for the police to use whatever force is necessary to protect and save life as they did last night" did you not understand?
Corbyn against police shoot to kill at terrorists on 17:25 - Jun 5 by Glyn1
Which bit of "full authority for the police to use whatever force is necessary to protect and save life as they did last night" did you not understand?
Oh, I understand the words perfectly. Which bit of my response did you not agree with?
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Corbyn against police shoot to kill at terrorists on 17:40 - Jun 5 with 2140 views
its seems from Theresa May today, her position is " I'm prepared to kill a lot more people than Jeremy Corbyn," .
Be it through a nuclear first strike, or a shoot to kill all criminals approach to policing.
The concept of reasonable force which exists in law, and is well established tried and trusted, is perfectly acceptable. it covers the situation in which anybody might have to kill someone else. I don't think anybody (including Corbyn) has any issue with reasonable force against a terrorist means killing them.
The phraseology of "shoot to kill" is not a good one, there are certainly connotations of "take no prisoners".
Imagine for a moment one of the terrorists had been tasered, and was now alive in custody and being "questioned". Think how helpful that would be in the counter terrorism investigation that is ongoing.
In the words of the song, "I don't recognise this broken country of mine" with people baying for blood and May pandering to the mob in an attempt to deflect from her failures as home secretary.
Corbyn against police shoot to kill at terrorists on 20:17 - Jun 5 by Kilkennyjack
I prefer anyone except that idiot Boris as Foreign Secretary thats for sure.
And comparing David Davis to Keir Starmer is akin to comparing a donkey from the beach at Blackpool to Red Rum.
Mrs Abbot would not be my choice, but an anti Tory coalition could see an SNP Home Secretary. How cool would that be ?!
I tell you what ....a Home Secretary that does not cut 20,000 police officers would be an improvement.
Dont vote Tory vermin. Vote for someone else.
I'm not sure you'd ever see a Scottish separatist as UK Home Secretary, Kilk. In fact, I'm not sure you'd ever see an SNP member take any position in a UK government cabinet. It should be anathema to them.
Corbyn against police shoot to kill at terrorists on 20:20 - Jun 5 by exiledclaseboy
I'm not sure you'd ever see a Scottish separatist as UK Home Secretary, Kilk. In fact, I'm not sure you'd ever see an SNP member take any position in a UK government cabinet. It should be anathema to them.
Oh, I bet they would given a sniff of power.
It'd be interesting of course as Brexit would be off the table.
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Corbyn against police shoot to kill at terrorists on 21:22 - Jun 5 with 1994 views
Corbyn against police shoot to kill at terrorists on 21:22 - Jun 5 by exiledclaseboy
Nah. Confidence and supply at most.
Hmmm,
If one of them was offered a Cabinet post, I think they'd take it. They'd do so while saying that they would still work for independence but wanted the greatest chance to protect the interests of Scotland before that day came.
I don't think it will happen incidentally. Someone told me earlier today that the internal polling is showing different numbers to the external polling. No idea whether that is true.
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Corbyn against police shoot to kill at terrorists on 21:39 - Jun 5 with 1970 views
Corbyn against police shoot to kill at terrorists on 21:36 - Jun 5 by londonlisa2001
Hmmm,
If one of them was offered a Cabinet post, I think they'd take it. They'd do so while saying that they would still work for independence but wanted the greatest chance to protect the interests of Scotland before that day came.
I don't think it will happen incidentally. Someone told me earlier today that the internal polling is showing different numbers to the external polling. No idea whether that is true.
We're just talking hypotheticals, a comfortable Tory victory is still inevitable.
Corbyn against police shoot to kill at terrorists on 21:39 - Jun 5 by exiledclaseboy
We're just talking hypotheticals, a comfortable Tory victory is still inevitable.
I'm going to have to agree with you. Sadly. I wonder where we'd be with a shadow cabinet that contained Andy Burnham, Liz Kendall, Yvette Cooper and Hilary Benn instead of Diane Abbott and Emily Thornberry? Mind you, if McCluskey hadn't stuck his nose in David Milliband would be looking at his third term...... We can but dream.
"Yossarian- the very sight of the name made him shudder.There were so many esses in it. It just had to be subversive" (Catch 22)
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