| Corbyn as Prime Minister 11:26 - May 28 with 36002 views | off2div1 |
Labour policies are more for the working class but is Corbyn capable of running the country. |  | | |  |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 22:34 - May 28 with 2251 views | Caboose |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 22:18 - May 28 by D_Alien |
"Try working in it, then say that the torys aren't to blame for the state it's in"
I worked in the NHS for more than 30 years and I can categorically tell you that the billions upon billions of taxpayers cash thrown at the NHS by Labour between 1997-2010 were, in the main, utterly wasted - on pretend jobs with fancy titles and an IT system that was supposed to link primary and secondary care but never stood a chance in hell of working. The latter alone cost us £20bn for nothing.
I'm not saying the Tories are great at running the NHS but their aim is at least to try and have it run more efficiently. Anyone who actually knows anything about the NHS - instead of just trying to score political points - understands that it's the demographics of an aging population plus those who're too damned lazy to take care of the basics of their own health that's causing the problem. The NHS was designed to look after those who, through no fault of their own, happened to fall ill or suffer an accident. It's now virtually impossible for anyone to try to re-design it without drawing so much political backlash that they give up. I love the NHS and all it stands for, but I despair at the shortsightedness of many who work within it at what a modern health service should look like. Many other countries are now much better than us at delivering high quality and timely health care, but we're stuck with an attitude from the 1940s
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Yeah the NHS isn't perfect. It has so many flaws in its current form and those of us who work within the NHS are the first to admit it.
It's clear that the current structure doesn't work. It desperately needs an overhaul which will cost a lot of the taxpayers money. Money which in my opinion is well worth it.
The problem lies with the underhand tactics this government have employed to devalue and demoralise the NHS. The secret privatisation and "efficiency cuts" that the torys have introduced have set the NHS back many years. The cuts to student bursarys and the doctors contracts scandal have left the NHS in tatters.
I'm not saying labour were perfect when they were in power but I know whose policies I'll be voting for to save the NHS. The NHS will simply not survive 4 more years of Tory government. |  | | |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 22:39 - May 28 with 2244 views | D_Alien |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 22:34 - May 28 by Caboose |
Yeah the NHS isn't perfect. It has so many flaws in its current form and those of us who work within the NHS are the first to admit it.
It's clear that the current structure doesn't work. It desperately needs an overhaul which will cost a lot of the taxpayers money. Money which in my opinion is well worth it.
The problem lies with the underhand tactics this government have employed to devalue and demoralise the NHS. The secret privatisation and "efficiency cuts" that the torys have introduced have set the NHS back many years. The cuts to student bursarys and the doctors contracts scandal have left the NHS in tatters.
I'm not saying labour were perfect when they were in power but I know whose policies I'll be voting for to save the NHS. The NHS will simply not survive 4 more years of Tory government. |
The "cuts to doctors contracts" is a prime example of trying to drag the NHS into the 21st century only to be met with vested interests ( the doctors) and a bandwagon of "beep yer horn if yer for the doctors" rubbish
One of my children is a junior doctor. The terms and conditions of her contract are a significant improvement on what they were when I joined in 1981 and junior doctors were seriously overworked and treated like shit by their consultants
A bit of perspective - as always - goes a long way [Post edited 28 May 2017 22:40]
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 22:39 - May 28 with 2243 views | roccydaleian |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 22:28 - May 28 by Caboose |
Yeah because Theresa May is so much better than him!? She's been torn a new one these past few weeks not just by labour but by the press and even her own party. I just don't see how May is a more viable option than anyone else.
Everyone has a right to air their opinion but there's no need to act like a complete to$$er especially when the majority of people on here are understanding and accepting of other people's opinions. |
Saw Corbyn interviewed by Andrew Neil t'other day. Apart from the IRA, taxes, Trident, immigration and NATO, I think he did ok. |  | | |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 22:53 - May 28 with 2209 views | Caboose |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 22:39 - May 28 by D_Alien |
The "cuts to doctors contracts" is a prime example of trying to drag the NHS into the 21st century only to be met with vested interests ( the doctors) and a bandwagon of "beep yer horn if yer for the doctors" rubbish
One of my children is a junior doctor. The terms and conditions of her contract are a significant improvement on what they were when I joined in 1981 and junior doctors were seriously overworked and treated like shit by their consultants
A bit of perspective - as always - goes a long way [Post edited 28 May 2017 22:40]
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"Vested interest". If you weren't happy with the terms of a contract you were offered would you go with it. theres always vested interest when it comes to your own life. Same reason I'm voting labour, same reason people vote conservative, UKIP, greens etc because they have "vested interest" in the party's policies.
It speaks volumes that when We were informed a certain Tory mp was visiting our workplace that ALL of the medical staff I work with (including consultants, SHO's, reg's) stated they were not willing to meet or speak to him out of disgust.
It's not just about the vested interest though is it. Patient safety will be at risk from the terms in the contract.
Perspective is a great thing, and people will see things differently from both sides. But from my perspective a change in government is much more appealing than 4 more years of mr hunt | | | |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 23:10 - May 28 with 2169 views | Caboose |
Obviously people will agree/disagree with what others will say on here. Ideologies/perspectives/experiences are different, people are in different situations and it's clear there is more of a generational divide rather than wealthy/working class divide now.
If we're all honest our votes are purely based on what we think is best for ourselves and our future. Whatever the result in June at the end of the day we are all human and we will carry on regardless. | | | |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 23:16 - May 28 with 2159 views | roccydaleian |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 22:53 - May 28 by Caboose |
"Vested interest". If you weren't happy with the terms of a contract you were offered would you go with it. theres always vested interest when it comes to your own life. Same reason I'm voting labour, same reason people vote conservative, UKIP, greens etc because they have "vested interest" in the party's policies.
It speaks volumes that when We were informed a certain Tory mp was visiting our workplace that ALL of the medical staff I work with (including consultants, SHO's, reg's) stated they were not willing to meet or speak to him out of disgust.
It's not just about the vested interest though is it. Patient safety will be at risk from the terms in the contract.
Perspective is a great thing, and people will see things differently from both sides. But from my perspective a change in government is much more appealing than 4 more years of mr hunt |
So you ALL had a chance to meet with a Tory MP and you didn't take it up and air your grievances face to face, that doesn't seem very sensible to me.
Please could you explain how patient safety will be at risk from the terms in the contracts? | | | |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 23:23 - May 28 with 2148 views | D_Alien |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 22:53 - May 28 by Caboose |
"Vested interest". If you weren't happy with the terms of a contract you were offered would you go with it. theres always vested interest when it comes to your own life. Same reason I'm voting labour, same reason people vote conservative, UKIP, greens etc because they have "vested interest" in the party's policies.
It speaks volumes that when We were informed a certain Tory mp was visiting our workplace that ALL of the medical staff I work with (including consultants, SHO's, reg's) stated they were not willing to meet or speak to him out of disgust.
It's not just about the vested interest though is it. Patient safety will be at risk from the terms in the contract.
Perspective is a great thing, and people will see things differently from both sides. But from my perspective a change in government is much more appealing than 4 more years of mr hunt |
Fair enough, and I'm not here to change people's voting intentions
I wouldn't personally be able to face a tv camera and trot out the "patient safety" line when what was really at stake was changes to working hours to facilitate a 7-day service - not yet available, but the contracts were a step towards them
Of course, the consultants supported the protests because they realised they'd have to provide greater cover during evenings and weekends for which they are very well remunerated
I also saw the woman on tv who claimed she was a nurse but had to go to a food bank. Excuse me, but either she worked 10 hours a week or she was so bloody incompetent she should never be allowed anywhere near a patient. Nurses are pretty well remunerated too
It's oh so easy to trot out simplistic lines about the NHS, and the general public fall for it every time. It showed itself in a superb light during last weeks terrorist atrocity, and that's what it's there for, but it's not there to waste money on the scale it has been doing since as far back as I can recall through working practices that very few politicians dare question. No wonder no-one wanted to talk to those who do question it
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 23:36 - May 28 with 2120 views | Caboose |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 23:16 - May 28 by roccydaleian |
So you ALL had a chance to meet with a Tory MP and you didn't take it up and air your grievances face to face, that doesn't seem very sensible to me.
Please could you explain how patient safety will be at risk from the terms in the contracts? |
the staff working that day didn't have the time or patience to meet with mr hunt due to the events of the previous day. The grievances have already been aired publicly and privately and it hasn't made a slight bit of difference. Most of the medical staff were already under pressure and many of them felt that meeting mr hunt could get them into trouble due to what they might say/do in their frustration (their words, not mine).
Unfortunately I wasn't offered the chance to meet mr hunt. Though I doubt I would've taken it up.
I think the major factors in the contracts offered were the longer hours that could lead to tiredness & mistakes by doctors in acute settings. Doctors are human after all, the contract didn't protect them from regularly working stupidly long hours. Also, the removal of the gp trainee supplements will lead to a decrease in GPs in the future, a specialty we're already short of.
Doctors will be put off working in specialities such as emergency medicine due to the changes to banded pay, which some could argue is quite selfish but unfortunately that is how the system works.
I'm not an expert on the junior doctors contracts & working arrangements. I'm taking most of this information first hand from the doctors themselves. But from my perspective, and many of the medics perspectives, we cannot take another 4 years of Mr Hunt & the torys | | | |
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 23:41 - May 28 with 2115 views | Caboose |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 23:23 - May 28 by D_Alien |
Fair enough, and I'm not here to change people's voting intentions
I wouldn't personally be able to face a tv camera and trot out the "patient safety" line when what was really at stake was changes to working hours to facilitate a 7-day service - not yet available, but the contracts were a step towards them
Of course, the consultants supported the protests because they realised they'd have to provide greater cover during evenings and weekends for which they are very well remunerated
I also saw the woman on tv who claimed she was a nurse but had to go to a food bank. Excuse me, but either she worked 10 hours a week or she was so bloody incompetent she should never be allowed anywhere near a patient. Nurses are pretty well remunerated too
It's oh so easy to trot out simplistic lines about the NHS, and the general public fall for it every time. It showed itself in a superb light during last weeks terrorist atrocity, and that's what it's there for, but it's not there to waste money on the scale it has been doing since as far back as I can recall through working practices that very few politicians dare question. No wonder no-one wanted to talk to those who do question it
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To be fair I agree with you about the nurse on tv last week.
I'm not the most financially competent but I don't have to rely on a food bank.
One of the main problems is the outdated/irrelevant procedures we have in place.
So many wards are short staffed, but instead of recruiting more staff they turn to agencies costing the NHS so much more than is necessary.
Honestly I wish there was a quick and easy solution but unfortunately this is going to take time and a major structure change to save the NHS. | | | |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 23:53 - May 28 with 2098 views | Shun |
I'm a fellow NHS worker, very much on the front line, and the general opinion from within is that things have never been this bad. Certainly from my perspective morale in every single area I work in is alarmingly and dispiritingly low. I have a huge number of colleagues based in varied settings and different parts of the country and each of them is quite vehement in their current stance of 'anything but Conservatives'. |  | | |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 01:15 - May 29 with 2065 views | Albert_Whitehurst |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 12:30 - May 28 by sykeboy |
Oh yes and no doubt Ms Abbott would make a great Home Secretary |
Corbyn is the lesser of two evils when compared with May. However, the thought of Diane Abbott in a position of responsibility makes my blood cold. |  | | |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 08:31 - May 29 with 1968 views | D_Alien |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 23:53 - May 28 by Shun |
I'm a fellow NHS worker, very much on the front line, and the general opinion from within is that things have never been this bad. Certainly from my perspective morale in every single area I work in is alarmingly and dispiritingly low. I have a huge number of colleagues based in varied settings and different parts of the country and each of them is quite vehement in their current stance of 'anything but Conservatives'. |
But would you agree, or not, that the solution to the obvious problems it faces isn't just to thrown money at the NHS like Labour has done, because much of it is simply wasted?
As a country, we have to decide whether we want to fund the bottomless pit of those whose lifestyles lead to the inevitability of disease, plus those who turn up at A&E with minor problems. There are plenty of opportunities for money to be spent on new and expensive treatments for conditions arising simply from old age, or at the other end of the scale, keeping prem babies alive, without the pressures resulting from lack of self-care
I've worked on the front line too, and it's always been "it's never been this bad" but the answers have to be smarter than just elect a government that throws our money at it and, for instance, give GPs ridiculously generous contracts whilst cutting their hours and the requirement to provide out-of-hours cover, hence the additional pressures on A&E now! That was, of course, a Labour government | |
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 09:04 - May 29 with 1940 views | Caboose |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 08:31 - May 29 by D_Alien |
But would you agree, or not, that the solution to the obvious problems it faces isn't just to thrown money at the NHS like Labour has done, because much of it is simply wasted?
As a country, we have to decide whether we want to fund the bottomless pit of those whose lifestyles lead to the inevitability of disease, plus those who turn up at A&E with minor problems. There are plenty of opportunities for money to be spent on new and expensive treatments for conditions arising simply from old age, or at the other end of the scale, keeping prem babies alive, without the pressures resulting from lack of self-care
I've worked on the front line too, and it's always been "it's never been this bad" but the answers have to be smarter than just elect a government that throws our money at it and, for instance, give GPs ridiculously generous contracts whilst cutting their hours and the requirement to provide out-of-hours cover, hence the additional pressures on A&E now! That was, of course, a Labour government |
unfortunately the way the NHS currently operates is flawed. It may have worked 30 years ago but like you've said times have changed.
The problem with lifestyle and the ageing population is that not enough is being done to prevent thing from eacalating to the need for treatment/hospital admission.
Not enough is being done in regards to education/preventative measures/self care. We need to identify those at increased risk of developing conditions early on to ensure it doesn't escalate. It'd be great to have things like health checks every few months/years but there aren't enough GPs/nurses/hcas with the time or funding to do this.
We're all crying out for a change. And as shun said, the messages coming from colleagues is "anyone but Tory". I think the majority of NHS workers will agree that Mr Hunt has been the worst health secretary for a generation. He's targeted doctors, nurses & student nurses who are the core of our NHS and that's when people get angry.
We can all agree that something has to change, but it's going to cost money & take time. I'm not trying to convince people to change allegiances here. My original post was aimed at labour supporters, as is this one. Again I'll be voting for purely selfish reasons, and I'd be surprised if anybody isn't. [Post edited 29 May 2017 9:05]
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 09:12 - May 29 with 1922 views | mingthemerciless |
U turn Teresa's recent performances must have given even the most rabid Tories grounds for concern. Can she ever make up her mind ? Will what she says today be the same as what she said yesterday or what she says tomorrow ? Of course when you only have three people running the show the chances of making elementary policy mistakes increase massively. I'd love to know what the other members of the cabinet really think.
How she got the the reputation of a safe pair of hands is a mystery. After all she got the PM's job because of the failings of the other candidates rather than because of her own shining qualities.
When Andrew Neil had her on the ropes last week in her interview I honestly thought she was going to cry ! He tied her in knots. " Strong And Stable " ? What a joke - " Weak And Wobbly " is more like it. [Post edited 29 May 2017 9:14]
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 09:51 - May 29 with 1878 views | NorthernDale |
I take an objective look at the policies of the main parties and I would say besides the absurd social care policy, the Tories was most honest, in that Labour as sought to buy the votes of everybody by promising the earth, without the means to pay for it. We need to take an honest look at how we can provide a good NHS, a good social care policy in the long term, you say the Tories was to honest, but as a nation we have to take a cross party long term approach. I cannot bring myself to vote for Labour, because I was a kid in the 1970's and it was blo*dy awful, with constant strikes across the who nationalised sectors from British Rail to British Leyland, with the unions effectively running the country and with the people being taxed to support these organisations, even then we had to ask the IMF for a bailout, in the same way Greece as. If you look at British Rail for example, the trains were dirty, old, the staff treated the rail users with disdain, the trains seemed never to be on time, that was when they were actually working.
I am a supporter of the NHS, but we need a national debate again on what services the NHS can and cannot afford to provide, to ensure the services are good, the nurses receive better pay, but not the pen pushers who justify their jobs by increasing levels of administration.
I have nothing against Corbyn, he seems an honest man, but his views on defence, terrorism (when he describes the murderous act in Manchester as an incident, rather then a act of murder and terrorism was the final straw), spending money we have not got, in ability to figure out that if you tax the rich and big business they will leave, this is what happened when President Hollande did the same thing in France. he favours mass immigration, and even worse the thought of Diane Abbott, Thornberry, Macdonnell and of course Len Mcluskey running the country, I am fearful that the term sick man of Europe will return and we will go back to the bad old days of the 1970's. | | | |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 09:55 - May 29 with 1875 views | TipperaryDale |
NHS needs a rethink no matter the party in gov. People are turning up to A&E because there are no doctors appointments. My own surgery literally had none available - fully booked for three weeks and unable to schedule after that. This for a simple two minute exam and a prescription. This way small problems snowball into big ones. |  | | |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 10:53 - May 29 with 1825 views | sykeboy |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 09:51 - May 29 by NorthernDale |
I take an objective look at the policies of the main parties and I would say besides the absurd social care policy, the Tories was most honest, in that Labour as sought to buy the votes of everybody by promising the earth, without the means to pay for it. We need to take an honest look at how we can provide a good NHS, a good social care policy in the long term, you say the Tories was to honest, but as a nation we have to take a cross party long term approach. I cannot bring myself to vote for Labour, because I was a kid in the 1970's and it was blo*dy awful, with constant strikes across the who nationalised sectors from British Rail to British Leyland, with the unions effectively running the country and with the people being taxed to support these organisations, even then we had to ask the IMF for a bailout, in the same way Greece as. If you look at British Rail for example, the trains were dirty, old, the staff treated the rail users with disdain, the trains seemed never to be on time, that was when they were actually working.
I am a supporter of the NHS, but we need a national debate again on what services the NHS can and cannot afford to provide, to ensure the services are good, the nurses receive better pay, but not the pen pushers who justify their jobs by increasing levels of administration.
I have nothing against Corbyn, he seems an honest man, but his views on defence, terrorism (when he describes the murderous act in Manchester as an incident, rather then a act of murder and terrorism was the final straw), spending money we have not got, in ability to figure out that if you tax the rich and big business they will leave, this is what happened when President Hollande did the same thing in France. he favours mass immigration, and even worse the thought of Diane Abbott, Thornberry, Macdonnell and of course Len Mcluskey running the country, I am fearful that the term sick man of Europe will return and we will go back to the bad old days of the 1970's. |
Good post and agree that anybody who can remember the unions ruining the country in the 70's need to have a good think think before giving the wrong people power again ,have to say the thought of Abbott having any influence terrifies me | | | |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 11:35 - May 29 with 1767 views | R17ALE |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 10:53 - May 29 by sykeboy |
Good post and agree that anybody who can remember the unions ruining the country in the 70's need to have a good think think before giving the wrong people power again ,have to say the thought of Abbott having any influence terrifies me |
I actually like Abbott in a sadistic fashion. Her incompetence is spell binding.
As a golf fan I take amusement watching links golf on a very windy day when the world's best are made to look clueless.
Abbott's interviews fill me with the same amusement, only there's no wind. Or golf!
Someone else mentioned Emily Thornberry. Never a bigger sneering, preening snob have I ever seen on tv.
And as for McDonnell. Sinister comes to mind.
Corbyn is by far the best of a particularly bad bunch. |  |
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 11:36 - May 29 with 1763 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 09:51 - May 29 by NorthernDale |
I take an objective look at the policies of the main parties and I would say besides the absurd social care policy, the Tories was most honest, in that Labour as sought to buy the votes of everybody by promising the earth, without the means to pay for it. We need to take an honest look at how we can provide a good NHS, a good social care policy in the long term, you say the Tories was to honest, but as a nation we have to take a cross party long term approach. I cannot bring myself to vote for Labour, because I was a kid in the 1970's and it was blo*dy awful, with constant strikes across the who nationalised sectors from British Rail to British Leyland, with the unions effectively running the country and with the people being taxed to support these organisations, even then we had to ask the IMF for a bailout, in the same way Greece as. If you look at British Rail for example, the trains were dirty, old, the staff treated the rail users with disdain, the trains seemed never to be on time, that was when they were actually working.
I am a supporter of the NHS, but we need a national debate again on what services the NHS can and cannot afford to provide, to ensure the services are good, the nurses receive better pay, but not the pen pushers who justify their jobs by increasing levels of administration.
I have nothing against Corbyn, he seems an honest man, but his views on defence, terrorism (when he describes the murderous act in Manchester as an incident, rather then a act of murder and terrorism was the final straw), spending money we have not got, in ability to figure out that if you tax the rich and big business they will leave, this is what happened when President Hollande did the same thing in France. he favours mass immigration, and even worse the thought of Diane Abbott, Thornberry, Macdonnell and of course Len Mcluskey running the country, I am fearful that the term sick man of Europe will return and we will go back to the bad old days of the 1970's. |
For every person mentioned below, I could counter with a horrible Tory, Jeremy hunt? Just a picture of him turns my stomach, amber rudd! Personality of a brick, Boris Johnson! Buffoon. Thing is if you ignore the 'personalities ' and concentrate on the issues, the Tory mantra about austerity, giving away public services to friends and not having a joined up NHS and social care system makes no sense. There is no long term plan, we need to be encouraging people to train as doctors, nurses etc, not putting them off. And yes more money does need to be spent. As for trains, have you travelled northern rail recently? The rolling stock is a disgrace, the fares are going up and the service is piss poor. As for the 1970's , a return to the times workers had a little power can't come quick enough. Our economy needs higher wages, it would boost the economy, kick start some growth. After the tories have finished cutting everything, lining their own pockets, it will be left to labour to put it all right, and cut the deficit, which Gordon brown did, unlike the last 7 years when it has risen |  |
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 12:00 - May 29 with 1729 views | roccydaleian |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 11:36 - May 29 by rochdaleriddler |
For every person mentioned below, I could counter with a horrible Tory, Jeremy hunt? Just a picture of him turns my stomach, amber rudd! Personality of a brick, Boris Johnson! Buffoon. Thing is if you ignore the 'personalities ' and concentrate on the issues, the Tory mantra about austerity, giving away public services to friends and not having a joined up NHS and social care system makes no sense. There is no long term plan, we need to be encouraging people to train as doctors, nurses etc, not putting them off. And yes more money does need to be spent. As for trains, have you travelled northern rail recently? The rolling stock is a disgrace, the fares are going up and the service is piss poor. As for the 1970's , a return to the times workers had a little power can't come quick enough. Our economy needs higher wages, it would boost the economy, kick start some growth. After the tories have finished cutting everything, lining their own pockets, it will be left to labour to put it all right, and cut the deficit, which Gordon brown did, unlike the last 7 years when it has risen |
You was doing ok then 'till "it will be left to Labour to put it all right" at that point I nearly choked on my capacinno . Higher wages you say I'm all for , but Labour will snatch it all back in higher taxes which everyone willl pay, no matter what comrade Corbyn says. Now I'd be willing to pay more taxes to improve services if required, but I think all the public services need to be properly audited and the results of the audits available for the public to see, so we can see where all our money is spent. | | | |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 12:09 - May 29 with 1717 views | isitme |
You had me up until you showed a lack of understanding of deficit and debt. It is easy to do. Even the shadow business secretary doesn't.
Whatever your political opinions the facts show that the deficit has fallen since its recent peak under Brown. The debt has continued to rise and will do so unless the government runs a budget surplus, which very rarely happens. I think the last balanced budget was under Major. Financially Blair inherited an economy in good shape and stuck to the spending plans of the previous government for at least a couple of years. |  | | |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 12:18 - May 29 with 1695 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 12:00 - May 29 by roccydaleian |
You was doing ok then 'till "it will be left to Labour to put it all right" at that point I nearly choked on my capacinno . Higher wages you say I'm all for , but Labour will snatch it all back in higher taxes which everyone willl pay, no matter what comrade Corbyn says. Now I'd be willing to pay more taxes to improve services if required, but I think all the public services need to be properly audited and the results of the audits available for the public to see, so we can see where all our money is spent. |
Hope your coffee survived, if we did a proper analysis of where public money went, and how many companies and individuals with Tory links were benefiting from private encroachment, whilst services deteriorated, that would be very enlightening. | |
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 12:21 - May 29 with 1682 views | roccydaleian |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 12:18 - May 29 by rochdaleriddler |
Hope your coffee survived, if we did a proper analysis of where public money went, and how many companies and individuals with Tory links were benefiting from private encroachment, whilst services deteriorated, that would be very enlightening. |
I agree. Let's see where it All goes. | | | |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 12:21 - May 29 with 1682 views | isitme |
Again, for political balance I forward Capita as a case study for your investigation. | | | |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 12:25 - May 29 with 1663 views | 1mark1 |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 22:20 - May 28 by R17ALE |
I'm going to get massive negs for this post, but I don't give a shit.
Corbyn is a tosser. A professional protester who couldn't run a bath, never mind a country.
He's a cosseted middle class champagne socialist who bleats against everyone, like he's a virtue of decency.
The country won't fall for it and I predict a massive Tory win because of him. A Labour win would be a disaster.
And all the lefties on here can fook off after they've negged me. It's the country that decides, not a few deluded Trots. |
Why the attack on so called lefty Trots? If those of us on the left of centre called you right wingers Fascists, we would in the main be wrong . Love it when people who lose, or haven't really got a political argument from any side really, resort to personal insults. To be quite frank here, I am not arsed as to whether or not you think we should all fook off, as your personal view in such a negative way is not important to me.
If you really think the Tories have done a good job, fair enough, but the facts about the growing national debt despite austerity, relative stagnation in house building , failings in NHS, cuts in police numbers, failure to cut immigration, despite constant promises that they will (let's be honest though, most Tory politicians don't live where the majority of immigrants cause the pressures on public services), falling levels of standard of living for majority of workers etc, etc.
As for railways, far more public money goes into the private companies than used to go into the old BR, which was starved of investment.
Now please go on about past Labour failures , but this is now a different LP, who were not responsible for any mistakes that those governments might have made. All of the good things previous governments have done Corbyn and co want to improve on, mistakes they want to avoid. |  |
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