| Just back... 17:08 - Jan 7 with 9108 views | Watford_Ranger |
Well on the way back anyway.
Absolutely appalling for 90 minutes. We had nothing at all apart from punting it forward and hoping for a second ball. Complete dross. There is not one positive to come out of that game.
Stop playing Perch now. We have two good youngsters who can compete. It's cruel on us mugs who pay to watch. |  | | |  |
| Just back... on 21:06 - Jan 7 with 2759 views | DannytheR |
| Just back... on 20:38 - Jan 7 by Hunterhoop |
I went.
It was pretty rubbish. But not the worst performance any of us have seen and certainly nothing to spit your beer out over. We all need to get some perspective.
My penny's worth:
Ingram - little to do. Made the two saves but parried into the danger area = two goals
Bidwell - woeful. Utterly woeful. Got torn a new one by their no. 7 in the first half. Mis controlled it off the pitch in the second half. Was absolutely MIA for their second. Even Ngbakoto had his arms up in the air at him for that. Took his pen well. Poor set pieces.
Lynch - quite good but got rolled twice AGAIN. MIA for their 2nd (simply channel ball down our left and their bloke was through 1 on 1).
Onouha - had an exemplary game at centre half. Not a single error defensively. Won everything in the air, battled hard, cleared balls into the box well, actually distributed it fairly well. Objectively was rock solid. Rubbish through Nov and Dec but been excellent the last game and a half.
Perch - typical Perch. Solid in bits. Asleep for others. Can't pass.
Hall - alright. Worked hard. Tried. Can't pass.
Luongo - bit of a 'mare for him.
Gladwin - simply isn't a footballer. Sees and plays the game SO fcking slowly. Not a winger. Not a central midfielder. Not a professional footballer IMO. Game is too quick for him.
Eze - genuinely looked very good. Found loads of space on the final third to receive the ball to feet and showed excellent close control. Shame he was forced off early.
Wszolek - pretty decent. For some good crosses in. Didn't get enough of the ball
Mackie - worked his socks off. Beat men through sheer desire and effort. Can't really hold it up though and close control is still pretty poor. But love his physical effort
Ngbakoto - literally plays like he's a 5-aside player. On the ball, alright. Lost off it.
Shodipo - lively. Looked to run at his man every time. Decent control and touch. Crosses were of mixed standard.
Cousins - missed a sitter. Did well in moments. Have it away very easily in others. Waiting for him to start contributing positively to this season.
Game deserved to be a draw. Either team could have won it. We dominated possession and territory, they looked a little threatening on the counter. But poor standard overall.
We need a Sylla/Polter hold up man. Wszolek and Shodipo should play wide. Mackie should play at the top of a 3 man central midfield (so off the target man, in a 4-2-3-1, with Wszolek and Shodipo either side of him, with then all able to interchange), with two CMs behind. Who they are? I still think we should persist with Borysiuk and Luongo, but Cousins and Hall are other options. 2 centre halves are fine. Stick with them, try Furlong at RB, probably stick with Bidwell at LB, but he's on very thin ice.
I expect us to be better on Thurs. |
This is pretty much exactly what it looked like to me, so thanks to Hunter for posting so articulately when I could scarcely be bothered to post!
The problem with our back four is the same it's been for a very long time now. In Perch, Bidwell and Lynch you've got players who were rated very highly as solid Championship defenders before they came to us, with Onuoha a player of long Premiership experience who got 20 caps for England Under 21s. Yet somehow every game is littered with embarrassing individual mistakes and a general air of accidents waiting to happen. Now either all four of them have gone into a steep and inexplicable decline all at once, or there's no proper defensive coaching at the club, and no organisation being drilled into them at the training ground.
As I say, been this way for a long time now, but still, where did our current defensive coach come from? Oh yeah. Hartlepool. So maybe that's part of why we defend like fking Hartlepool.
As for the others, it's clear the management don't like Luongo, which he was probably well aware of before today. Wouldn't be at all surprised to see him gone by the end of January, which would be a shame. He's going to be a good player for someone.
Gladwin on the other hand won't be. I don't think he's had a fair go with the crowd but he's also clearly out of his depth, and it would be best for him and us for him to go back to League One.
I like Pawel. Not sure Shodipo can do much more to get a start. Still think Cousins will come good, but he needs a run of games, a regular partner in CM and his hamstring to co-operate.
Poor performance all round by the manager, who then singled out Mackie for praise to curry favour with the fans, while lumping in players who put in reasonable performances together with those who looked disinterested. I'm getting a bit sick of Holloway playing to the gallery already and I'd be surprised if the players weren't too. [Post edited 7 Jan 2017 21:19]
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| Just back... on 21:48 - Jan 7 with 2639 views | NW5Hoop |
I thought Lynch was poor, and again looked nothing like the player I thought we'd bought.
Wasn't the first goal his fault (even before he put it in his own net)? Was it him who should have come for the header, but then let the striker get in front of him? | | | |
| Just back... on 21:55 - Jan 7 with 2618 views | rsonist |
Quite a few players that people were on the fence about are now really nosediving under Ollie... |  | | |
| Just back... on 22:02 - Jan 7 with 2594 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Just back... on 21:48 - Jan 7 by NW5Hoop |
I thought Lynch was poor, and again looked nothing like the player I thought we'd bought.
Wasn't the first goal his fault (even before he put it in his own net)? Was it him who should have come for the header, but then let the striker get in front of him? |
Lynch was a good player until he got Harlingtoned.
HARLINGTONED
adjective
'To be subjected to a severe downgrade in playing ability and effort, despite previous good endeavours'
e.g.
James Perch was player of the year at Wigan before being Harlingtoned at QPR. [Post edited 7 Jan 2017 22:12]
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| Just back... on 22:18 - Jan 7 with 2520 views | eghamranger |
| Just back... on 22:02 - Jan 7 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Lynch was a good player until he got Harlingtoned.
HARLINGTONED
adjective
'To be subjected to a severe downgrade in playing ability and effort, despite previous good endeavours'
e.g.
James Perch was player of the year at Wigan before being Harlingtoned at QPR. [Post edited 7 Jan 2017 22:12]
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Wasn't Bidwell Brentford's player of the year and cousins the same at Charlton... |  | | |
| Just back... on 22:36 - Jan 7 with 2476 views | paulparker |
| Just back... on 19:31 - Jan 7 by BazzaInTheLoft |
"Fans"
Fvck me PP is anything able to escape your wrath? Everyone's a target from the fans to the fvcking tea lady unless it's Clint Hill. It's harder to swallow when I read earlier you made some blood money out of a defeat from the comfort of your armchair.
Please mate, tone it down. We're all rangers here. I know you think I'm a cvnt but do me the favour of at least hiding your contempt. |
Have a word how many sarky comments have you made about how sh1t our fans are over the last few weeks and how you want to transfer them
You are a walking contradiction
You don't like my posts or opinions stick me on ignore
What I won't agree with is fans telling me all is well and how it doesn't matter
Well losing to a poxy club like Blackburn matters to me it's galling to know how pathetic we would be today before we even kicked off that's why I bet against us
Funny how I don't remember you having a pop at your hero Clive when he done the same a few seasons back |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Just back... on 22:56 - Jan 7 with 2425 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Just back... on 22:36 - Jan 7 by paulparker |
Have a word how many sarky comments have you made about how sh1t our fans are over the last few weeks and how you want to transfer them
You are a walking contradiction
You don't like my posts or opinions stick me on ignore
What I won't agree with is fans telling me all is well and how it doesn't matter
Well losing to a poxy club like Blackburn matters to me it's galling to know how pathetic we would be today before we even kicked off that's why I bet against us
Funny how I don't remember you having a pop at your hero Clive when he done the same a few seasons back |
Big difference between a sarky comment (singular) and a avalanche of hate.
Can't comment on Clive's bet. Sad if true. But I doubt it came after a ocean of bile followed by some crowing.
I knew we'd be shit today, but I didn't need to make a shilling out of it to prove the point. I accept it as what it is. I know we'll be shit at Reading too but i'm still going.
Anyway let's not go on this well used PaulParker / Bazza roundabout again. Should have kept it to myself. My mistake. | | | |
| Just back... on 23:01 - Jan 7 with 2407 views | Hunterhoop |
| Just back... on 21:48 - Jan 7 by NW5Hoop |
I thought Lynch was poor, and again looked nothing like the player I thought we'd bought.
Wasn't the first goal his fault (even before he put it in his own net)? Was it him who should have come for the header, but then let the striker get in front of him? |
No. That was Bidwell.
And Hall had ample of opportunity to tackle the crosser before the ball was delivered, and Perch lost a 50-50 to start the move...and Ingram partied a save straight into the middle of the 6 yard box. Lynch was the least to blame of all of them for the OG. |  | | |
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| Just back... on 23:09 - Jan 7 with 2374 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Just back... on 23:01 - Jan 7 by Hunterhoop |
No. That was Bidwell.
And Hall had ample of opportunity to tackle the crosser before the ball was delivered, and Perch lost a 50-50 to start the move...and Ingram partied a save straight into the middle of the 6 yard box. Lynch was the least to blame of all of them for the OG. |
Can't remember which goal it was because it all seems a blur now, but Bidwell got utterly beaten to the ball from a diving header despite a massive headstart. [Post edited 7 Jan 2017 23:10]
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| Just back... on 23:13 - Jan 7 with 2354 views | paulparker |
| Just back... on 22:56 - Jan 7 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Big difference between a sarky comment (singular) and a avalanche of hate.
Can't comment on Clive's bet. Sad if true. But I doubt it came after a ocean of bile followed by some crowing.
I knew we'd be shit today, but I didn't need to make a shilling out of it to prove the point. I accept it as what it is. I know we'll be shit at Reading too but i'm still going.
Anyway let's not go on this well used PaulParker / Bazza roundabout again. Should have kept it to myself. My mistake. |
Avalanche of hate ??
I think you may be going a tad ott there
Simply pointing out how gutless we are and how much of the club is a shambles is not hate
Its fact Bazza , you can disagree or agree with it I dont really care but carry on the way we are going and it's only a matter of time before league one beckons then what he ill the excuses be ? | |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Just back... on 23:26 - Jan 7 with 2317 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Just back... on 23:13 - Jan 7 by paulparker |
Avalanche of hate ??
I think you may be going a tad ott there
Simply pointing out how gutless we are and how much of the club is a shambles is not hate
Its fact Bazza , you can disagree or agree with it I dont really care but carry on the way we are going and it's only a matter of time before league one beckons then what he ill the excuses be ? |
It's a lot PP! Have a read back though your posts.
The funny thing is I don't disagree with a lot of it PP. I'm not insane or blind. I saw everything that happened out there today. I'm not happy about any of it either but come on.
Someone else said it in another post yesterday, I read some things you post and think we'd agree on a lot but other times it feels like your bashing the life out of every optimistic suggestion for the sake of it.
As for the league one thing, yeah it's a possibility. But thats the QPR way. [Post edited 7 Jan 2017 23:30]
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| Just back... on 00:31 - Jan 8 with 2202 views | PunteR |
PP opinions on QPR are always well worth listening too imo. Knows football and QPR.
Spent the 2nd half in the pub with my Chelsea supporting mate giving me updates like i give a shit. |  |
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| Just back... on 08:46 - Jan 8 with 1938 views | daveB |
I'm very confused, I didn't go to the game but read on this thread the players are terrible and didn't try and on another thread that the manager is an idiot for saying the players were terrible and didn't try.
At least after 2 wins the moaners will be happy again after yesterday |  | | |
| Just back... on 11:01 - Jan 8 with 1724 views | francisbowles |
| Just back... on 23:01 - Jan 7 by Hunterhoop |
No. That was Bidwell.
And Hall had ample of opportunity to tackle the crosser before the ball was delivered, and Perch lost a 50-50 to start the move...and Ingram partied a save straight into the middle of the 6 yard box. Lynch was the least to blame of all of them for the OG. |
I agree with nearly everything you have said Hunter and good to see some perspective on it.
My take on the first goal is that Lynch played a far too optimistic long cross field pass to Perch, who then struggled to control it, lost it under pressure and couldn't catch the opponent as he got away from him.
Second goal, Bidwell was out of position because he was still getting back from taking a corner on the right????
I must be the only one but I thought Gladwin was a bit better yesterday. Did more things right than wrong but I have to agree at times he does look a bit lost, off the pace and totally afraid of the crowd who are waiting to jump on his first and subsequent mistakes.
Apparently, he performs very well in League 1 and obviously needs a run of games at this level to see if he can step up. Problem is we can't afford to give him that time and no one else is likely too so it is probably best if he goes back to Swindon or a top League 1 side for the rest of this season to see if he can improve.
I thought Ngbakoto was better, played some good headers through in the second half. Still needs to step up to the English game though.
I initially thought Mackie was going to struggle up front yesterday but was really impressed with the way he battled. I agree it isn't his position though.
I was confused by EZE, thought he was going to be a big striker but he isn't and we seemed to be playing him as an attacking midfielder. Showed promise though and good movement, shame he had to go off, hope it's not serious.
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| Just back... on 11:15 - Jan 8 with 1696 views | Hayesender |
Part of me was actually gutted when we pulled a goal back, as it meant I had to stay a bit longer |  |
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| Just back... on 11:40 - Jan 8 with 1534 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Just back... on 11:15 - Jan 8 by Hayesender |
Part of me was actually gutted when we pulled a goal back, as it meant I had to stay a bit longer |
I was not aware they now strap you to your seat.
Shocking |  |
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| Just back... on 11:41 - Jan 8 with 1531 views | Hunterhoop |
| Just back... on 11:15 - Jan 8 by Hayesender |
Part of me was actually gutted when we pulled a goal back, as it meant I had to stay a bit longer |
What the hell?
Was someone forcing you to go in the first place? | | | |
| Just back... on 11:47 - Jan 8 with 1514 views | olderR |
| Just back... on 11:01 - Jan 8 by francisbowles |
I agree with nearly everything you have said Hunter and good to see some perspective on it.
My take on the first goal is that Lynch played a far too optimistic long cross field pass to Perch, who then struggled to control it, lost it under pressure and couldn't catch the opponent as he got away from him.
Second goal, Bidwell was out of position because he was still getting back from taking a corner on the right????
I must be the only one but I thought Gladwin was a bit better yesterday. Did more things right than wrong but I have to agree at times he does look a bit lost, off the pace and totally afraid of the crowd who are waiting to jump on his first and subsequent mistakes.
Apparently, he performs very well in League 1 and obviously needs a run of games at this level to see if he can step up. Problem is we can't afford to give him that time and no one else is likely too so it is probably best if he goes back to Swindon or a top League 1 side for the rest of this season to see if he can improve.
I thought Ngbakoto was better, played some good headers through in the second half. Still needs to step up to the English game though.
I initially thought Mackie was going to struggle up front yesterday but was really impressed with the way he battled. I agree it isn't his position though.
I was confused by EZE, thought he was going to be a big striker but he isn't and we seemed to be playing him as an attacking midfielder. Showed promise though and good movement, shame he had to go off, hope it's not serious.
Need Syla back for Thursday. |
Thank you FB, reading the reports I was beginning to think I was the only one who thought Gladwin was better yesterday.
Nothing embarrasing I can remember but the poor guy could score a hat-trick and still be slagged off for not getting four.
There were worse out there yesterday. |  | | |
| Just back... on 11:57 - Jan 8 with 1482 views | Hayesender |
| Just back... on 11:41 - Jan 8 by Hunterhoop |
What the hell?
Was someone forcing you to go in the first place? |
Was someone forcing you to go in the first place?
Yes, my misplaced loyalty and love to this fcking club | |
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| Just back... on 12:04 - Jan 8 with 1460 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Just back... on 11:47 - Jan 8 by olderR |
Thank you FB, reading the reports I was beginning to think I was the only one who thought Gladwin was better yesterday.
Nothing embarrasing I can remember but the poor guy could score a hat-trick and still be slagged off for not getting four.
There were worse out there yesterday. |
He didn't do anything horrendously badly. Just another hour with no impact on the game. | | | |
| Just back... on 12:06 - Jan 8 with 1450 views | Hunterhoop |
| Just back... on 11:57 - Jan 8 by Hayesender |
Was someone forcing you to go in the first place?
Yes, my misplaced loyalty and love to this fcking club |
Hayes, you're pissed off; I get it. But not wanting us to score a goal so you could leave??
Call me old fashioned in my support, but I was glad we scored and wanted us to score a second, and third! | | | |
| Just back... on 12:14 - Jan 8 with 1442 views | Hayesender |
| Just back... on 12:06 - Jan 8 by Hunterhoop |
Hayes, you're pissed off; I get it. But not wanting us to score a goal so you could leave??
Call me old fashioned in my support, but I was glad we scored and wanted us to score a second, and third! |
Probably came across wrong, because of course I always want us to do well, and I was as desperate for an equaliser as anyone.
BUT, it was all just another false hope. That team wouldn't have scored a goal from open play if as long as there's a hole in the ozone | |
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| Just back... on 12:25 - Jan 8 with 1411 views | Northernr |
| Just back... on 22:36 - Jan 7 by paulparker |
Have a word how many sarky comments have you made about how sh1t our fans are over the last few weeks and how you want to transfer them
You are a walking contradiction
You don't like my posts or opinions stick me on ignore
What I won't agree with is fans telling me all is well and how it doesn't matter
Well losing to a poxy club like Blackburn matters to me it's galling to know how pathetic we would be today before we even kicked off that's why I bet against us
Funny how I don't remember you having a pop at your hero Clive when he done the same a few seasons back |
What have I done now?  |  | | |
| Just back... on 16:38 - Jan 8 with 1175 views | WokingR |
| Just back... on 12:25 - Jan 8 by Northernr |
What have I done now? |
Don't come on here acting the innocent
We are all really disappointed in you
Go to your room |  | | |
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