| Jimmy 19:42 - Jan 1 with 7543 views | QPRDave |
" We didn't deserve to lose" & "I think we played well"
Two quotes from JFH, that I find mystifying. good job he's not made of wood & named Pinocchio |  | | |  |
| Jimmy on 00:36 - Jan 3 with 1607 views | Rangersw12 |
| Jimmy on 22:57 - Jan 2 by Northernr |
I thought his quotes after Huddersfield that we were "unlucky" were alarming, but I agree with him yesterday. Hull are much higher in the league, with a much better team, but even allowing for having no Austin, and no confidence, we matched them throughout and deserved the draw we would have got but for Charlie Chalk's intervention. I think we played pretty well too - that's how good we are, get used to it. |
I think the Brighton game was us playing well thought yesterday we were avergae but clearly a team beret of any confidence |  | | |
| Jimmy on 03:52 - Jan 3 with 1567 views | karl |
| Jimmy on 00:36 - Jan 3 by Rangersw12 |
I think the Brighton game was us playing well thought yesterday we were avergae but clearly a team beret of any confidence |
We were reasonably good in the first half and played to a good tempo but 2nd half we fell away (fitness/fatigue?) so i agree with what he has said and for a new manager to come in and slate his players then you're guaranteed failure imo. How many new signings do you seriously think he will be able to make in January? i would guess that they'll be few and of a low key nature so he has to keep the squad on board and not publicly hang them out to dry.
Terry Butcher did it at Hibs and the fans loved him telling it as it was - 'you're not good enough and when your contracts up in the summer you're out on your ear' but guess what he wasnt able to improve the squad in January and subsequently won 1 game in 18 which led to relegation from apparent mid table mediocrity. Mixu Paatelainen is currently doing exactly the same at Dundee Utd so be very careful what you want your manager to do because when they start to act like you and me after a few pints then it only leads to trouble.
Imo things are better but its going to take time and after so much c**p recently i just hope the support stick with him for a while yet. |  | | |
| Jimmy on 04:54 - Jan 3 with 1556 views | ozexile |
| Jimmy on 03:52 - Jan 3 by karl |
We were reasonably good in the first half and played to a good tempo but 2nd half we fell away (fitness/fatigue?) so i agree with what he has said and for a new manager to come in and slate his players then you're guaranteed failure imo. How many new signings do you seriously think he will be able to make in January? i would guess that they'll be few and of a low key nature so he has to keep the squad on board and not publicly hang them out to dry.
Terry Butcher did it at Hibs and the fans loved him telling it as it was - 'you're not good enough and when your contracts up in the summer you're out on your ear' but guess what he wasnt able to improve the squad in January and subsequently won 1 game in 18 which led to relegation from apparent mid table mediocrity. Mixu Paatelainen is currently doing exactly the same at Dundee Utd so be very careful what you want your manager to do because when they start to act like you and me after a few pints then it only leads to trouble.
Imo things are better but its going to take time and after so much c**p recently i just hope the support stick with him for a while yet. |
I think if someone's giving 100% and they're of limited ability then you shouldn't berate them in front of others as you'll lose respect as a leader. But if they're not putting the effort in at training and that's transferring to match day. Then you'd lose respect with others if you didn't pull them up on it. Fine line. | | | |
| Jimmy on 08:21 - Jan 3 with 1515 views | oldmeadoniansR |
| Jimmy on 15:28 - Jan 2 by BrianMcCarthy |
I agree with him for the most part. naturally, he's glossing over the negatives.
I was very encouraged by the first half.
Firstly, JFH made a few of the changes that a lot of people were asking for. He played with a striker, two wide men, Chery was brought in, Faurlin was back in his natural centre-mid rather than anchor role. Right-back was clearly an area still to be fixed but - as Clive says - many managers have had a look at our right-back options and decided that we don't have any bar Perch.
I thought that it was obvious that the players had belief from the off and a good work rate and pressing game in the first twenty five minutes in particular. Countless times we turned the ball over through organised and intense pressing. The centre halfs were excellent and Henry held the anchor well, Faurlin pushed forward more to good effect, our wingers were wider than on Monday and we missed two great chances from a striker who was - in every sense - finding his feet (Austin would have worked the keeper with both. Full backs were a problem, though - Onouha is out of position and gives little in defense or attack, Konchesky is solid but very defensive.
At half-time I was quietly encouraged.
Hull were always going to change their tempo and effort after the break, and they did. However, when the goal came it was still somewhat undeserved for the visitors. Our reaction took a while to get going but Polter and Cherry were threatening, the former growing into the game with every touch, the latter showing superb touch and showing great promise before tiring. I agreed with him being subbed as he looked spent.
I thought that Fer upset our rhythm when he came on, or - to be more precise - carrying a non-working player cost us.
Our goal, when it came, was superb. It was a 1992 goal, I could nearly see Les and Sinton as Polter layed off to Philips and somehow (for a player who according to some is slow) getting himself into the box for a great headed finish from a superb cross. I used to watch Ferdinand train on that move with Roger Cross and I would be amazed of he hadn't a part in yesterday's goal.
Their winner was a sickener and I would put it down to us having to play a centre-back at right back and having a keeper in who was devoid of confidence.
Generally, I thought that a draw would have been about right, and that if any team deserved to win it was us. I thought we were good positionally, well set-up and solid without being at all spectacular, excellent on defending set-pieces, with obvious work done on zonal set-up and wise positioning of key players (Polter must have cleared four?). I also thought that we were superb on attacking set pieces, again showing good positioning, good movement and a wise choice of takers (Faurlin from the right, Chery taking the ones from the left so that we got a fast inswinger, Faurlin being waved off in no uncertain terms by JFH when he tried to take one from the corner of the Loft and Paddock and Philips taking one off of Chery when the latter tired.
There's plenty, I mean plenty, work to do. We badly need two full-backs to help our centre-backs and to provide width and overlaps. Smithies should take over from Green for the cup game and see how we go. I think our pressing needs to be continued with, and that our fitness and sharpness will continue to improve. We're also struggling to put attacking moves together, and my only concern is whether JFH can add that to us. We shall see.
I would have been very encouraged leaving HQ with a draw against a Hull team who were playing well and stacked with good players. One error, as annoying as it might have been, wasn't going to change my mood, and hasn't. |
Well said that man. I started the positives thread because i wasn't buying the complete negativity on here. It wasn't great but there were encouraging signs. | | | |
| Jimmy on 13:03 - Jan 3 with 1460 views | francisbowles |
| Jimmy on 08:21 - Jan 3 by oldmeadoniansR |
Well said that man. I started the positives thread because i wasn't buying the complete negativity on here. It wasn't great but there were encouraging signs. |
Yes I agree, it wasn't great but we weren't bad and were slightly better than Hull.
We are possibly suffering fatigue from the intensive training regime and increased pressing in matches being introduced at a difficult time in the season. We could also do with a little luck to help us to see out one or two matches and the increased confidence that brings.
It feels like it could go either way. January will be a big month as he prunes his squad. Hopefully, we will see some improvement as we build for next season. | | | |
| Jimmy on 13:16 - Jan 3 with 1439 views | karl |
| Jimmy on 04:54 - Jan 3 by ozexile |
I think if someone's giving 100% and they're of limited ability then you shouldn't berate them in front of others as you'll lose respect as a leader. But if they're not putting the effort in at training and that's transferring to match day. Then you'd lose respect with others if you didn't pull them up on it. Fine line. |
Very true, lack of effort is different and is probably the reason clubs get the new manager bounce. You really hope it is just lack of fitness and confidence that some are missing. | | | |
| Jimmy on 09:24 - Jan 4 with 1304 views | WestonsuperR |
Interesting that Klopp, relatively new to his role as well, was prepared after their latest match to suggest the players were only playing at 90% and that he was personally partially to blame. I take a lot of notice of the post match conferences and as a fan id prefer to hear this than some waffle about how good we were and that we deserved to win. Very refreshing and a better more honest approach. |  | | |
| Jimmy on 09:37 - Jan 4 with 1293 views | ozexile |
| Jimmy on 09:24 - Jan 4 by WestonsuperR |
Interesting that Klopp, relatively new to his role as well, was prepared after their latest match to suggest the players were only playing at 90% and that he was personally partially to blame. I take a lot of notice of the post match conferences and as a fan id prefer to hear this than some waffle about how good we were and that we deserved to win. Very refreshing and a better more honest approach. |
May I ask why klopp said that? I haven't seen his interview. Did he overwork them? | | | |
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| Jimmy on 11:07 - Jan 4 with 1252 views | Rangers67 |
I will give Jimmy credit for actually changing the team selection for the better from the Huddersfield game. Having a recognised forward on the pitch does make a difference surprisingly. We all have our own opinions of what is wrong with this team but one cast iron certainty that myself and some others have been saying for some time is that Rob Green should never be allowed anywhere near QPR again. The sooner Jimmy has the balls to get rid of this bloke the better for all. | | | |
| Jimmy on 11:10 - Jan 4 with 1245 views | adhoc_qpr |
| Jimmy on 11:07 - Jan 4 by Rangers67 |
I will give Jimmy credit for actually changing the team selection for the better from the Huddersfield game. Having a recognised forward on the pitch does make a difference surprisingly. We all have our own opinions of what is wrong with this team but one cast iron certainty that myself and some others have been saying for some time is that Rob Green should never be allowed anywhere near QPR again. The sooner Jimmy has the balls to get rid of this bloke the better for all. |
Hopefully Jimmy is learning with each game a bit more about the players.
That mistake versus Hull will give him a good reason to drop Green and give Smithies a chance. | | | |
| Jimmy on 14:56 - Jan 4 with 1194 views | Dando |
Dont think we deserved to win in my opinion. We matched them near enough for the first half, but Hull were clearly much more comfortable and confident in possesion and moved the ball quickly and flowingly. They were putting in some excellent crosses too, and had a few very good chances which they screwed up, I thought we gave the ball away far more easily than they did. A point wouldnt have been too flattering, but a win would have been.
What dissapointed me so much is that we pulled an undeserved goal back with barely anytime left on the clock, only to mess it up at the end. They nearly scored immediately after our goal, then finally hit the net soon after. We should never have let them back in, especially so quickly.
We just dont seem to have the players who have that determination to hold on for the points, except probably Faurlin and Mackie - and Hall with more experience. Derry and Hill were excellent examples of those we could have relied on to pull us through [Post edited 4 Jan 2016 15:04]
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| Jimmy on 15:40 - Jan 4 with 1169 views | karl |
| Jimmy on 14:56 - Jan 4 by Dando |
Dont think we deserved to win in my opinion. We matched them near enough for the first half, but Hull were clearly much more comfortable and confident in possesion and moved the ball quickly and flowingly. They were putting in some excellent crosses too, and had a few very good chances which they screwed up, I thought we gave the ball away far more easily than they did. A point wouldnt have been too flattering, but a win would have been.
What dissapointed me so much is that we pulled an undeserved goal back with barely anytime left on the clock, only to mess it up at the end. They nearly scored immediately after our goal, then finally hit the net soon after. We should never have let them back in, especially so quickly.
We just dont seem to have the players who have that determination to hold on for the points, except probably Faurlin and Mackie - and Hall with more experience. Derry and Hill were excellent examples of those we could have relied on to pull us through [Post edited 4 Jan 2016 15:04]
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Fair points Dando but JFH has had no time to make personnel changes if these players are not already at the club.
The only issue imo is whether he was right to back the players with positive comments or to criticise them in general. The Klopp comments are much more different to Jimmy's situation too, he is a proven winner (as a manager) and at a much higher level than his current squad have performed so they know that when he chastises them but also accepts part of the blame then he's still on their side but they need to respect him. Jimmy doesnt have that luxury and perhaps with the prima donnas still in the squad then he's in a much more precarious position to fling insults and criticism about, the Sandro situation is quite probably him being marginilised whilst keeping the rest of the squad sweet?
If he made broad statements about slackers whilst keeping Sandro and Fer in the team i would be concerned but instead he dropped them to the bench and played grafters who he then generally praised for their efforts. He'll benefit from this as the weeks pass and players realise hard work will pay off for them. | | | |
| Jimmy on 15:44 - Jan 4 with 1163 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Jimmy on 15:40 - Jan 4 by karl |
Fair points Dando but JFH has had no time to make personnel changes if these players are not already at the club.
The only issue imo is whether he was right to back the players with positive comments or to criticise them in general. The Klopp comments are much more different to Jimmy's situation too, he is a proven winner (as a manager) and at a much higher level than his current squad have performed so they know that when he chastises them but also accepts part of the blame then he's still on their side but they need to respect him. Jimmy doesnt have that luxury and perhaps with the prima donnas still in the squad then he's in a much more precarious position to fling insults and criticism about, the Sandro situation is quite probably him being marginilised whilst keeping the rest of the squad sweet?
If he made broad statements about slackers whilst keeping Sandro and Fer in the team i would be concerned but instead he dropped them to the bench and played grafters who he then generally praised for their efforts. He'll benefit from this as the weeks pass and players realise hard work will pay off for them. |
Good post, Karl. Very wise comments in my humble opinion. |  |
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| Jimmy on 15:55 - Jan 4 with 1146 views | karl |
| Jimmy on 15:44 - Jan 4 by BrianMcCarthy |
Good post, Karl. Very wise comments in my humble opinion. |
Thanks Brian, i do caveat my opinions on not being at the games (did watch Hull on a stream) so not in a position to make specific comments on matches like others can but so far i don't have a problem with his comments about performances. I think the general squad player will respond to him, (Polter looks like he has?) and hopefully if we can get Charlie and Mackie starting we'll see more improvement. Of course if Charlie's away the team performance is going to be vital and the contribution of Polter and his like very much so. | | | |
| Jimmy on 17:20 - Jan 4 with 1083 views | Westy75 |
| Jimmy on 15:28 - Jan 2 by BrianMcCarthy |
I agree with him for the most part. naturally, he's glossing over the negatives.
I was very encouraged by the first half.
Firstly, JFH made a few of the changes that a lot of people were asking for. He played with a striker, two wide men, Chery was brought in, Faurlin was back in his natural centre-mid rather than anchor role. Right-back was clearly an area still to be fixed but - as Clive says - many managers have had a look at our right-back options and decided that we don't have any bar Perch.
I thought that it was obvious that the players had belief from the off and a good work rate and pressing game in the first twenty five minutes in particular. Countless times we turned the ball over through organised and intense pressing. The centre halfs were excellent and Henry held the anchor well, Faurlin pushed forward more to good effect, our wingers were wider than on Monday and we missed two great chances from a striker who was - in every sense - finding his feet (Austin would have worked the keeper with both. Full backs were a problem, though - Onouha is out of position and gives little in defense or attack, Konchesky is solid but very defensive.
At half-time I was quietly encouraged.
Hull were always going to change their tempo and effort after the break, and they did. However, when the goal came it was still somewhat undeserved for the visitors. Our reaction took a while to get going but Polter and Cherry were threatening, the former growing into the game with every touch, the latter showing superb touch and showing great promise before tiring. I agreed with him being subbed as he looked spent.
I thought that Fer upset our rhythm when he came on, or - to be more precise - carrying a non-working player cost us.
Our goal, when it came, was superb. It was a 1992 goal, I could nearly see Les and Sinton as Polter layed off to Philips and somehow (for a player who according to some is slow) getting himself into the box for a great headed finish from a superb cross. I used to watch Ferdinand train on that move with Roger Cross and I would be amazed of he hadn't a part in yesterday's goal.
Their winner was a sickener and I would put it down to us having to play a centre-back at right back and having a keeper in who was devoid of confidence.
Generally, I thought that a draw would have been about right, and that if any team deserved to win it was us. I thought we were good positionally, well set-up and solid without being at all spectacular, excellent on defending set-pieces, with obvious work done on zonal set-up and wise positioning of key players (Polter must have cleared four?). I also thought that we were superb on attacking set pieces, again showing good positioning, good movement and a wise choice of takers (Faurlin from the right, Chery taking the ones from the left so that we got a fast inswinger, Faurlin being waved off in no uncertain terms by JFH when he tried to take one from the corner of the Loft and Paddock and Philips taking one off of Chery when the latter tired.
There's plenty, I mean plenty, work to do. We badly need two full-backs to help our centre-backs and to provide width and overlaps. Smithies should take over from Green for the cup game and see how we go. I think our pressing needs to be continued with, and that our fitness and sharpness will continue to improve. We're also struggling to put attacking moves together, and my only concern is whether JFH can add that to us. We shall see.
I would have been very encouraged leaving HQ with a draw against a Hull team who were playing well and stacked with good players. One error, as annoying as it might have been, wasn't going to change my mood, and hasn't. |
Well said. |  | | |
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