| Bitter Sweet feeling 09:20 - Dec 4 with 13167 views | The_Mole |
A very bitter sweet feeling in the Mole hole today! Woke up this morning absolutely buzzing after Warnock's inspired win last night and then that good feeling came crashing down to earth as it hit home that the club are making yet more unnecessary changes.
Warnock's passion and energy clearly rubbed off on this group of players and that transferred to the supporters, well me at least. Really feeling the QPR buzz for the first time this season.
Really do feel Ferdinand is pulling a PC stunt here - real shame - all the best Neil and thank you.
#warnockisking
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| Bitter Sweet feeling on 13:45 - Dec 4 with 2489 views | simmo |
| Bitter Sweet feeling on 13:10 - Dec 4 by The_Mole |
As a black supporter I feel I'm entitled to voice an opinion on this and for the record loved sir Les as a player, by far my favourite R's player but what I don't like about the role he's in now is his constant references and interviews which always comes down to 'not enough black managers in football etc etc...' 'Let's raise awareness etc etc...' 'Let's kick this out of football etc etc...'
Just do the job you're supposed to do and get the right man in, regardless of colour!
I hope JFH is that man but can't feel a little sorry for Warnock |
Being black doesn't entitle you to have an opinion on this, anybody can have one.
As a black man in a position few black people are occupying, I think it is Les's job to voice his concerns about the issue - especially if he's asked about it - which as one of the only black high profile DoF's he's going to be asked more than most. I am absolutely convinced that he doesn't let it sway his judgement when choosing a manager, I just think he'll be more receptive to all candidates from any background and will make the decision from there.
It shouldn't even be up for discussion, it's ludicrous to suggest he has a pro-black agenda. |  |
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| Bitter Sweet feeling on 13:53 - Dec 4 with 2463 views | Hunterhoop |
| Bitter Sweet feeling on 13:45 - Dec 4 by simmo |
Being black doesn't entitle you to have an opinion on this, anybody can have one.
As a black man in a position few black people are occupying, I think it is Les's job to voice his concerns about the issue - especially if he's asked about it - which as one of the only black high profile DoF's he's going to be asked more than most. I am absolutely convinced that he doesn't let it sway his judgement when choosing a manager, I just think he'll be more receptive to all candidates from any background and will make the decision from there.
It shouldn't even be up for discussion, it's ludicrous to suggest he has a pro-black agenda. |
Exactly. This line of argument about Les' "agenda" are astonishing!
1) there is no evidence and 2) IT'S LES FERDINAND!
Honestly, one of our all time greats, who loves the club, came in, took on the DoF job and spouted all the stuff we all wanted to hear AND began actually doing it.....and now, after his first coach "fails" and we're mid table, and he appoints one of the most promising young managers in English football, he and his motives are being questioned?!
It's enough to make you totally despair at our fanbase.
SUPPORT THE TEAM! SUPPORT THE COACH! SUPPORT THE DOF! As fanbase we need to stop undermining our own club! |  | | |
| Bitter Sweet feeling on 13:55 - Dec 4 with 2456 views | NW5Hoop |
| Bitter Sweet feeling on 12:01 - Dec 4 by paulparker |
we had to be top scorers when your conceding over 2 goals a game within the first 10 minutes , Ramsey's teams were so open it was untrue especially the midfield , and our defending was abysmal, look at the confidence of Ned & Hall now compared to a month a go, that's down to Blackwell & NW
id rather we shored the defence up and nick a point or 3 , it isn't pretty but we needed to go back to basics , if you look at our promotion team, we were very hard to beat
NW was blessed as he had Adel, Mackie, & HH , so we could hit teams with a couple of goals , we have a half fit Austin this time round and Mackie is injured so fair play to NW and changing tactics , bar that last minute pen against Boro we wouldn't of conceded a goal under NW and like it or not if we had NW from the start of the season we would be looking at a top 4 spot now |
I know facts are tedious things, but …
QPR conceded twice in Ramsey's last four games in charge, those two goals coming in crap games against Derby and Brentford. In neither of those games were we letting the opposition create clear chance after clear chance.
The comparable records show that Ramsey won one, drew one and lost two of his last four, with three scored and two conceded. Warnock won two, drew one and last once, with two scored and one conceded. Warnock won one game with a lucky goal from a terrible goalkeeping error. Ramsey lost one because we twice hit the woodwork and then JET decided not to pick up the ball in centre mid. That's how fine the margins are.
I am not trying to claim Ramsey was a golden age. Just trying to point out that there's a certain amount of rewriting history going on. [Post edited 4 Dec 2015 14:05]
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| Bitter Sweet feeling on 14:01 - Dec 4 with 2453 views | Mvpeter |
| Bitter Sweet feeling on 13:34 - Dec 4 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Do you feel you have more entitlement because you are a black supporter?
Still a load of unjustified bollocks and a bit of a slur on Les's character. |
Everyones opinion is equally valid but plenty judge them based on who is speaking it. Not saying you do but it happens. | |
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| Bitter Sweet feeling on 14:03 - Dec 4 with 2442 views | Hunterhoop |
| Bitter Sweet feeling on 13:55 - Dec 4 by NW5Hoop |
I know facts are tedious things, but …
QPR conceded twice in Ramsey's last four games in charge, those two goals coming in crap games against Derby and Brentford. In neither of those games were we letting the opposition create clear chance after clear chance.
The comparable records show that Ramsey won one, drew one and lost two of his last four, with three scored and two conceded. Warnock won two, drew one and last once, with two scored and one conceded. Warnock won one game with a lucky goal from a terrible goalkeeping error. Ramsey lost one because we twice hit the woodwork and then JET decided not to pick up the ball in centre mid. That's how fine the margins are.
I am not trying to claim Ramsey was a golden age. Just trying to point out that there's a certain amount of rewriting history going on. [Post edited 4 Dec 2015 14:05]
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"a certain amount of rewriting going on".
Christ, there's more rewriting going on than if French tried to claim they defeated the Nazis single handed!
Excellent post, NW5. The lack of balance and any semblance of objectivity from some on here recently has been staggering. | | | |
| Bitter Sweet feeling on 14:05 - Dec 4 with 2437 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Bitter Sweet feeling on 14:01 - Dec 4 by Mvpeter |
Everyones opinion is equally valid but plenty judge them based on who is speaking it. Not saying you do but it happens. |
True.
If The Mole was familiar with Les's Ferdinand's inner thoughts then i'd definitely value his opinion higher. [Post edited 4 Dec 2015 14:11]
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| Bitter Sweet feeling on 14:18 - Dec 4 with 2405 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
No one ever said he got in on a 'white northerner' agenda though did they? | | | |
| Bitter Sweet feeling on 14:43 - Dec 4 with 2366 views | Hunterhoop |
sanctimonious: "making a show of being morally superior to other people"
Who is being sanctimonious? Who is making a show of being morally superior to others? Don't think anyone's bringing morals into it.
Also not seen anyone have a go at anyone who's annoyed the club have got rid of Warnock.
On this thread in particular it is about people offering their opinion (it's a message board) that his talk of Ferdinand's "agenda" is ridiculous and that not keeping Warnock, in their view, was the right move. All seems perfectly reasonable, Clive. | | | |
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| Bitter Sweet feeling on 14:50 - Dec 4 with 2346 views | terryb |
And I still don't like Blackwell.
The football & performance last night was exactly what I had against him coming to the club I support!
If he was still with the club that would be what you had to endure every match! | | | |
| Bitter Sweet feeling on 15:03 - Dec 4 with 2321 views | Northernr |
If anyone had said we only hired Kevin Blackwell because Lee Hoos is white and he wants other white guys here you'd have a point. |  | | |
| Bitter Sweet feeling on 15:31 - Dec 4 with 2291 views | BklynRanger |
| Bitter Sweet feeling on 13:45 - Dec 4 by terryb |
I'm a little confused here.
A Warnock inspired win? What I saw was a dreadful game of football that Queens Park Rangers won because the Reading 'keeper was impersonating Rob Green! BTW, well done Rob on staying glued to your line last night & not going walkabout!
I say a thank you to Neil warnock & a big welcome to JFH. |
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We can all be eternally grateful for the season he gave us last time but we were quite lucky to actually get that win last night. The error by their keeper was atrocious. And that was against a Reading team in poor form.
If Warnock had been treated unfairly then that would be out of order, but I'm not sure he has. He's a wiley enough operator to have known the situation and what he was doing, and if Les and Hoos have felt the need to exclude him from the decision making process then I think we should just accept that, thank Neil for what he's done, and move on. [Post edited 4 Dec 2015 15:38]
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| Bitter Sweet feeling on 15:54 - Dec 4 with 2263 views | The_Mole |
First of all, my opinion is just as important as everyone's on here and that's my point, regardless of skin colour but I raised that point about mine before the PC brigade tore me a new one!
The point about Sir Les, is why keep going on about it? I find it embarrassing and just hoped he could crack on without highlighting these issues. Sure, if you are asked the question then answer diplomatically, not keep banging on about black this and that!
We are QPR, all colours and creeds and so we should embrace that and not keep singling out people, but yes in answer to a few replies here I do believe Les is trying to make a statement - just my opinion... | | | |
| Bitter Sweet feeling on 16:00 - Dec 4 with 2251 views | paulparker |
| Bitter Sweet feeling on 12:51 - Dec 4 by simmo |
I understand what you're saying PP, I really do, but 'we had to be top scorers when your conceding over 2 goals a game within the first 10 minutes' is exactly the same as me saying 'we have to be solid defensively when you score 1 goal every 270 mins'. My point is that neither have got the balance right yet, that's what JFH has to do. Ultimately NW and KB is not as good as some are making out the same way CR wasn't as bad.
I appreciate the job NW did and I'm disappointed it didn't work out for Ramsey - I would rather have JFH ahead of both of them though.
All the Sir Les bashing is bollocks btw (not from you, I mean generally) |
I Don't get the Les Bashing Either Simmo
I like a lot of what he is doing , I liked the signings he made bar Perch I just think he let his heart rule his head when he appointed Ramsey
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| Bitter Sweet feeling on 17:52 - Dec 4 with 1899 views | BerkoRanger |
| Bitter Sweet feeling on 13:04 - Dec 4 by bosh67 |
Neil turned 67 on Tuesday. Happy birthday Neil.
He is a legend here at QPR but he has been realistic and said he doesn't really want to manage full time again. He is perfectly capable of it but you think that the reality of that for us would be a man approaching 70 being in charge of the longer term plans of the club.
The problem we have is that if that is ever to be a reality, and it seldom does at this club, but if it does then we have to have someone who is going to be here for the next 5 years. A stupid comment perhaps but Jimmy is 43 and that is (even if it is science fiction) possible.
It's a difficult one for the club because as far as I know they have already told Neil that they want him to stay and be involved with the club in his previous capacity again. To be an older head for the manager to bounce off. If Neil had been in his early 60s I don't even think an appointment would have been made. He would have been appointed full time in a 2nd spell, but when Neil says he doesn't want to manage full time, and perhaps that is a decision he and his wife have taken in regards to retirement down south, then it's hard for the board to do anything else but try and find the right man, a younger man, to take the club forward.
Obviously timing was right for Jimmy. I would have waited with Neil for the hand over at the end of the season but they obviously think Jimmy is the man and got him now.
I have loved the way we have played under Neil, whoever would have expected such an open way of playing under him with such a solid back line. But he is in his 68th year and that makes it tough because with the best will in the world, even full time he possibly would have only done until Christmas 2016 before thinking, jeez, do I really want to travel 300+ miles X times a week to do this?
So, Jimmy has started well as a manager. He has a lot of the same values as Neil. Attacking and solid at the back. Hopefully he will look at elements like Ned and Hall, Sandro and Faurlin and hopefully Charlie and Chery or Fer and think, I have a good spine here to build on. |
Very good post, Bosh. Obviously, one cannot be politically incorrect but at 67, Neil couldn't possibly be a long-term option for the club, but I still am sad to see Neil go, particularly after the very organised 3 points last night.
BUT......I have to say I am thrilled that Jimmy has joined us and I really believe this is an inspired appointment - particularly with no-nonsence David as his assistant. Really, REALLY looking forward to watching quality football. The January window could be REALLY interesting.  | | | |
| Bitter Sweet feeling on 18:26 - Dec 4 with 1854 views | johncharles |
Racism/Ageism . It's just as offensive not to say illegal, to refuse a person a job because of their age just as much as the colour of their skin.
Just saying like. [Post edited 4 Dec 2015 19:58]
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| Bitter Sweet feeling on 19:15 - Dec 4 with 1804 views | connell10 |
| Bitter Sweet feeling on 15:54 - Dec 4 by The_Mole |
First of all, my opinion is just as important as everyone's on here and that's my point, regardless of skin colour but I raised that point about mine before the PC brigade tore me a new one!
The point about Sir Les, is why keep going on about it? I find it embarrassing and just hoped he could crack on without highlighting these issues. Sure, if you are asked the question then answer diplomatically, not keep banging on about black this and that!
We are QPR, all colours and creeds and so we should embrace that and not keep singling out people, but yes in answer to a few replies here I do believe Les is trying to make a statement - just my opinion... |
I just dont see les is making a statement and has a secret agenda, to be honset mate i think thats total and utter rubbish! |  |
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| Bitter Sweet feeling on 21:11 - Dec 4 with 1760 views | kensalriser |
| Bitter Sweet feeling on 18:26 - Dec 4 by johncharles |
Racism/Ageism . It's just as offensive not to say illegal, to refuse a person a job because of their age just as much as the colour of their skin.
Just saying like. [Post edited 4 Dec 2015 19:58]
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And when the person is over the age of retirement? |  |
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| Bitter Sweet feeling on 21:27 - Dec 4 with 1753 views | johncharles |
| Bitter Sweet feeling on 21:11 - Dec 4 by kensalriser |
And when the person is over the age of retirement? |
Makes no difference unless you're in the armed forces or the police. | |
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| Bitter Sweet feeling on 21:35 - Dec 4 with 1745 views | johann28 |
| Bitter Sweet feeling on 12:36 - Dec 4 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Can anyone really pin down the source of any decision made at QPR in recent times? I've got a theory that Jude The Cat is the brains of the whole operation.
I was a Ramsey cheerleader, but don't want him back for the record. I've got an open mind and no opinion for the first time in my gobby life.
Let's sit back and enjoy the ride. [Post edited 4 Dec 2015 12:40]
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That's a scurrilous slur on Jude the Cat. |  | | |
| Bitter Sweet feeling on 00:04 - Dec 5 with 1689 views | WindsorHoopMan |
He was treated pretty badly when he was sacked, so to come back again to help us out was a massive ask and he did it for th Rangers, because I very much doubt he did it as a favour for Tony. Neil shoul have been given the job and I know would have done a great job with the full backing of the fans? He would have got us up. Now we are waiting on another experiment, which could go horribly wrong. | | | |
| Bitter Sweet feeling on 03:17 - Dec 5 with 1657 views | isawqpratwcity |
| Bitter Sweet feeling on 14:01 - Dec 4 by Mvpeter |
Everyones opinion is equally valid but plenty judge them based on who is speaking it. Not saying you do but it happens. |
Perfectly fair sentiment. But I really enjoyed down-arrowing it! |  |
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| Bitter Sweet feeling on 06:17 - Dec 5 with 1637 views | CHUBBS |
| Bitter Sweet feeling on 13:10 - Dec 4 by The_Mole |
As a black supporter I feel I'm entitled to voice an opinion on this and for the record loved sir Les as a player, by far my favourite R's player but what I don't like about the role he's in now is his constant references and interviews which always comes down to 'not enough black managers in football etc etc...' 'Let's raise awareness etc etc...' 'Let's kick this out of football etc etc...'
Just do the job you're supposed to do and get the right man in, regardless of colour!
I hope JFH is that man but can't feel a little sorry for Warnock |
Personally i like to think this appointment has nothing to do with race however previous comments by Les leave him open to this sort of accusation.
Although I would have preferred NW,I also think JFH is a decent up and coming manager who could do well for us given time.
He has the sort of presence and charisma a manager needs but most of all his quality On the pitch gains him instant respect from the players,something CR never had.
I hope Hoos made the decision because after CR I just don't trust Les' judgement on management recruitment.
As gutted as I am to see the end of NW I'm glad he's gone out as a winner because our previous treatment of him was despicable after all he'd done for us. |  | | |
| Bitter Sweet feeling on 19:26 - Dec 5 with 1585 views | derbyhoop |
| Bitter Sweet feeling on 15:54 - Dec 4 by The_Mole |
First of all, my opinion is just as important as everyone's on here and that's my point, regardless of skin colour but I raised that point about mine before the PC brigade tore me a new one!
The point about Sir Les, is why keep going on about it? I find it embarrassing and just hoped he could crack on without highlighting these issues. Sure, if you are asked the question then answer diplomatically, not keep banging on about black this and that!
We are QPR, all colours and creeds and so we should embrace that and not keep singling out people, but yes in answer to a few replies here I do believe Les is trying to make a statement - just my opinion... |
Tongue in cheek - before every one jumps down my throat.
Black managers and coaches are under represented in the modern game. But at QPR we had Ramsey, now have JFH and apparently interviewed Chris Powell. Is Sir Les on a one man Rooney Rule? |  |
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| Bitter Sweet feeling on 19:46 - Dec 5 with 2275 views | DeepcutHoop |
| Bitter Sweet feeling on 15:54 - Dec 4 by The_Mole |
First of all, my opinion is just as important as everyone's on here and that's my point, regardless of skin colour but I raised that point about mine before the PC brigade tore me a new one!
The point about Sir Les, is why keep going on about it? I find it embarrassing and just hoped he could crack on without highlighting these issues. Sure, if you are asked the question then answer diplomatically, not keep banging on about black this and that!
We are QPR, all colours and creeds and so we should embrace that and not keep singling out people, but yes in answer to a few replies here I do believe Les is trying to make a statement - just my opinion... |
I'm guessing he keeps mentioning it because he keeps being asked about it. | | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 19:59 - Dec 5 with 2268 views | Dorse |
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