| In your opinion, What made us so successful during our promotion season? 16:16 - Nov 12 with 4385 views | Bakes |
Was it the management? The players? The other teams being poor? Adel? Spirit? Why can't we recreate that success? We were unbeaten for nearly half a season and now 2 years on we haven't a game as of yet or won an away match in a year. |  |
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| In your opinion, What made us so successful during our promotion season? on 13:15 - Nov 13 with 961 views | Antti_Heinola |
| In your opinion, What made us so successful during our promotion season? on 18:07 - Nov 12 by Northernr |
People with a point to prove.
Absolutely invaluable to an organisation in any walk of life.
Kenny - just been banned for a year, written off as a Championship keeper, not Prem standard.
Orr, Gorkss, Faurlin, Buzsaky, Mackie - all, with respect, playing for the biggest club in their careers (Orr was a trainee at Newcastle but never played), grateful to the club for giving them a chance and eager to prove themselves in the Premier League.
Connolly, Taarabt, Helguson, Smith, Ephraim - rejected by Premiership teams, hungry to get back and prove them wrong
Derry, Hill - last chance to go for the Premier League.
Walker - forgotten after leaving Sheff Utd, stuck in Spurs reserves, have a good spell and he can break through at Spurs and with England.
Warnock - bit of money to spend, shot at the Premier League again where he failed before.
Our team now is made up of players who have nothing left to prove on a final pay day and/or players who have come from far, far bigger clubs and potentially see QPR as a bit small time and beneath them. They don't owe QPR their Premier League player status, they could have got another club if we hadn't bid for them. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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but plenty of players go from big clubs to smaller clubs and do a good job. i don't think you can be quite so sweeping. After all, Cisse, for example, was very good last season when he wasn't being sent off. Zamora did a great job, if not scoring a lot. SWP when he first came was very good for half a dozen games.
I think there's a lot of 'this could be a reason, and it fits' thinking that gets turned into fact on here sometimes. Of course, we can only judge on performances and I understand and agree with a lot of this thinking, but we're now ready to bury about 10 players we thought were quite good 3 months ago. |  |
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| In your opinion, What made us so successful during our promotion season? on 13:16 - Nov 13 with 956 views | Northernr |
| In your opinion, What made us so successful during our promotion season? on 13:15 - Nov 13 by Antti_Heinola |
but plenty of players go from big clubs to smaller clubs and do a good job. i don't think you can be quite so sweeping. After all, Cisse, for example, was very good last season when he wasn't being sent off. Zamora did a great job, if not scoring a lot. SWP when he first came was very good for half a dozen games.
I think there's a lot of 'this could be a reason, and it fits' thinking that gets turned into fact on here sometimes. Of course, we can only judge on performances and I understand and agree with a lot of this thinking, but we're now ready to bury about 10 players we thought were quite good 3 months ago. |
Oh absolutely, there are hundreds of reasons why it's not going well now. But the question was 'what made us so successful during the promotion season' and in my opinion the biggest factor was a collection of people who, for one reason or another, really felt they had either a point to prove or a once-in-a-career opportunity that season. |  | | |
| In your opinion, What made us so successful during our promotion season? on 13:20 - Nov 13 with 948 views | TacticalR |
| In your opinion, What made us so successful during our promotion season? on 13:15 - Nov 13 by Antti_Heinola |
but plenty of players go from big clubs to smaller clubs and do a good job. i don't think you can be quite so sweeping. After all, Cisse, for example, was very good last season when he wasn't being sent off. Zamora did a great job, if not scoring a lot. SWP when he first came was very good for half a dozen games.
I think there's a lot of 'this could be a reason, and it fits' thinking that gets turned into fact on here sometimes. Of course, we can only judge on performances and I understand and agree with a lot of this thinking, but we're now ready to bury about 10 players we thought were quite good 3 months ago. |
I agree. I think there is a great fallacy at work here. Effectively people are arguing that something has happened because people *wanted* it to happen. They are explaining outcomes by intentions. The recession happened, but nobody *wanted* it to happen. |  |
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| In your opinion, What made us so successful during our promotion season? on 14:58 - Nov 13 with 916 views | JonDoeman |
| In your opinion, What made us so successful during our promotion season? on 12:45 - Nov 13 by Jamie |
39.3% win ratio over 32 years for Warnock - 7 promotions
39.6% win ratio over 12 years for Hughes - no honours
Fun fact - 59% win percentage for Villas-Boas. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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Their respective QPR stats, would be only ones I'd be mildly interested in. I prefer the evidence of my eyes. And my eyes tell me, Hughes doesn't know what he's doing.
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| In your opinion, What made us so successful during our promotion season? on 15:21 - Nov 13 with 898 views | Jamie |
| In your opinion, What made us so successful during our promotion season? on 14:58 - Nov 13 by JonDoeman |
Their respective QPR stats, would be only ones I'd be mildly interested in. I prefer the evidence of my eyes. And my eyes tell me, Hughes doesn't know what he's doing.
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Warnock - 39.2% mostly in the Championship
Hughes - 24.2% in the PL. |  | | |
| In your opinion, What made us so successful during our promotion season? on 15:24 - Nov 13 with 893 views | SpiritofGregory |
One major factor was the wage structure which led to a better team spirit.
Now you have players from the succesful Championship side being paid a fraction of what the so called better players are getting. When useless players like SWP are getting 60k a week, it's enough to make anyones blood boil. |  | | |
| In your opinion, What made us so successful during our promotion season? on 15:24 - Nov 13 with 893 views | SpiritofGregory |
One major factor was the wage structure which led to a better team spirit.
Now you have players from the succesful Championship side being paid a fraction of what the so called better players are getting. When useless players like SWP are getting 60k a week, it's enough to make anyones blood boil. | | | |
| In your opinion, What made us so successful during our promotion season? on 15:28 - Nov 13 with 891 views | RamseyR |
I've never classed myself as a stato, but if I remember rightly we were about 9 points clear at Xmas, meaning we started well and far better than the opposition. After that we only manged to maintain the gap and no more. Towards the end of the season, we did not look like a team about to be promoted as champions.
Once Kyle walker went back, we went backwards in my view, and losing Routledge at the end of the season, meant we had a weaker squad in May than when we started the season.
Without our good start, I don't think we would have been so successful.
I think there is also more motivation as for some our players, it would be their only chance of playing in the PL, as they would never have been bought by a PL outfit |  | | |
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| In your opinion, What made us so successful during our promotion season? on 15:32 - Nov 13 with 888 views | Phildo |
but the club has always been a madhouse. The owners had spunked vast sums of money on players who were not worth it which could have been spent over the proceeding years to give us a much healthier set up. I know what Clive is saying about the point to prove thing - but it was still a side without much sense of the clubs history etc. There was some luck involved in the way the side came together - players who got injured at the wrong time and did not feature and there was that bit of a struggle to finally get over the line. Derry in the middle of the 433 made us hard to beat and Adel given the freedom to roam led to some mad cap stuff. Like all the best things in life I think it was our turn that year............... |  | | |
| In your opinion, What made us so successful during our promotion season? on 15:34 - Nov 13 with 885 views | Northernr |
| In your opinion, What made us so successful during our promotion season? on 15:32 - Nov 13 by Phildo |
but the club has always been a madhouse. The owners had spunked vast sums of money on players who were not worth it which could have been spent over the proceeding years to give us a much healthier set up. I know what Clive is saying about the point to prove thing - but it was still a side without much sense of the clubs history etc. There was some luck involved in the way the side came together - players who got injured at the wrong time and did not feature and there was that bit of a struggle to finally get over the line. Derry in the middle of the 433 made us hard to beat and Adel given the freedom to roam led to some mad cap stuff. Like all the best things in life I think it was our turn that year............... |
Following on from this post - it was a team that was put together with clear ideas of what sort of system we were going to use and what sort of players we'd need for it. Mark Bowen said on the podcast last week that after nine months, two transfer windows, and 11 matches of this season they don't know their best team. | | | |
| In your opinion, What made us so successful during our promotion season? on 15:39 - Nov 13 with 880 views | TacticalR |
| In your opinion, What made us so successful during our promotion season? on 15:28 - Nov 13 by RamseyR |
I've never classed myself as a stato, but if I remember rightly we were about 9 points clear at Xmas, meaning we started well and far better than the opposition. After that we only manged to maintain the gap and no more. Towards the end of the season, we did not look like a team about to be promoted as champions.
Once Kyle walker went back, we went backwards in my view, and losing Routledge at the end of the season, meant we had a weaker squad in May than when we started the season.
Without our good start, I don't think we would have been so successful.
I think there is also more motivation as for some our players, it would be their only chance of playing in the PL, as they would never have been bought by a PL outfit |
That's a good point. The fact that we limped over the line might have been more noticeable without the distraction of the Faurlin affair.
The last home match I saw that season was the 1-1 draw with Hull in April. We only had one goal to show for our dominance in the first half, couldn't close out the match, and let Hull back in with a late goal. | |
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| In your opinion, What made us so successful during our promotion season? on 16:39 - Nov 13 with 852 views | NW5Hoop |
I'd say the crucial thing was that in the close season NW identified the formation that would get the best out of Adel, convinced him to stay, and then built a team that would help Adel shine. When he brought in new players, on loan or on permanents, they were all players who would fit into 4-2-3-1. Not one of them was "He's alright. We'll work out what to do with him later" — which is what we've been doing since promotion. Did we play anything apart from 4-2-3-1 in the promotion season? I can't remember anything else. Result: everyone knew exactly what their job was, and they were pretty much all playing in their best position, while still (in the case of the 3) having room to improvise and move. | | | |
| In your opinion, What made us so successful during our promotion season? on 17:03 - Nov 13 with 839 views | WeaverQPR |
| In your opinion, What made us so successful during our promotion season? on 15:34 - Nov 13 by Northernr |
Following on from this post - it was a team that was put together with clear ideas of what sort of system we were going to use and what sort of players we'd need for it. Mark Bowen said on the podcast last week that after nine months, two transfer windows, and 11 matches of this season they don't know their best team. |
Exactly you buy the players that fit into the system,and the fact MH doesnt have a scooby what to play or who to play is a massive fck up. |  |
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| In your opinion, What made us so successful during our promotion season? on 20:23 - Nov 13 with 813 views | baz_qpr |
Like any if these things it was a combination of spine and match winners.
Take anyone of Faurlin Adel Routledge Kenny Gorks helgusson and Derry away and we would have struggled but Adel really was the key for us in that league in the same way that Zaha is doing for Palace this year |  | | |
| In your opinion, What made us so successful during our promotion season? on 20:42 - Nov 13 with 777 views | BAWHoops |
It was a magnificent starting 11 that stayed the same throughout the year give or take a few players
..........................Kenny.....................
Orr/Walker.....Gorrks.....Connolly......Hill
...................Derry......Faurlin............
Mackie/Routledge.....Taarabt..........Smith
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We went through a phase where Hulse replaced Heidur and Ephraim was there instead of Smith. What it meant was that any player like Buzsaky, Shittu, Miller etc who came in knew exactly what their role was.
We lucked out a bit that the Taarabt gamble paid off, the team was built around him before he had even signed.
Palace are using the same template as us this season. The pace of Bolaise on one wing with Zaha unstopable on the other. Murray does all the dog work up top too a la Helguson |  |
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| In your opinion, What made us so successful during our promotion season? on 20:56 - Nov 13 with 767 views | QPR1882 |
Simples.......we won because we had more money then anyone else and could loan / buy better players.
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| In your opinion, What made us so successful during our promotion season? on 20:57 - Nov 13 with 765 views | collegeranger |
| In your opinion, What made us so successful during our promotion season? on 20:42 - Nov 13 by BAWHoops |
It was a magnificent starting 11 that stayed the same throughout the year give or take a few players
..........................Kenny.....................
Orr/Walker.....Gorrks.....Connolly......Hill
...................Derry......Faurlin............
Mackie/Routledge.....Taarabt..........Smith
..........................Helguson..................
We went through a phase where Hulse replaced Heidur and Ephraim was there instead of Smith. What it meant was that any player like Buzsaky, Shittu, Miller etc who came in knew exactly what their role was.
We lucked out a bit that the Taarabt gamble paid off, the team was built around him before he had even signed.
Palace are using the same template as us this season. The pace of Bolaise on one wing with Zaha unstopable on the other. Murray does all the dog work up top too a la Helguson |
We had a very settled team - we had very few injuries and when we did we stuck to mostly the same formation. Connolly being replaced half way thru and HH missing the odd match was really the only big changes otherwise it was very settled. Warnock didn't tinker too much - we got on the roll and he stuck to it and let the opposition think about how to counter us rather than us worrying about countering the opposition. Good sides do that - Look at Chelscum and ManUre - they don't really worry too much about the formation that they send out against us. We do! In the Championship once we gained the air of supremacy after 5 games or so we never really lost that and we had the upper hand. Interestingly no one has it this year and there could be a few surprises on top of the Weasels leading currently and on paper a poor Boro team leading it! |  | | |
| In your opinion, What made us so successful during our promotion season? on 20:58 - Nov 13 with 765 views | kensalriser |
We had a simple but very effective game plan: get the ball to Taarabt in areas where he can test the opposition. |  |
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| In your opinion, What made us so successful during our promotion season? on 21:16 - Nov 13 with 753 views | Match82 |
| In your opinion, What made us so successful during our promotion season? on 18:07 - Nov 12 by Northernr |
People with a point to prove.
Absolutely invaluable to an organisation in any walk of life.
Kenny - just been banned for a year, written off as a Championship keeper, not Prem standard.
Orr, Gorkss, Faurlin, Buzsaky, Mackie - all, with respect, playing for the biggest club in their careers (Orr was a trainee at Newcastle but never played), grateful to the club for giving them a chance and eager to prove themselves in the Premier League.
Connolly, Taarabt, Helguson, Smith, Ephraim - rejected by Premiership teams, hungry to get back and prove them wrong
Derry, Hill - last chance to go for the Premier League.
Walker - forgotten after leaving Sheff Utd, stuck in Spurs reserves, have a good spell and he can break through at Spurs and with England.
Warnock - bit of money to spend, shot at the Premier League again where he failed before.
Our team now is made up of players who have nothing left to prove on a final pay day and/or players who have come from far, far bigger clubs and potentially see QPR as a bit small time and beneath them. They don't owe QPR their Premier League player status, they could have got another club if we hadn't bid for them. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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Devil's advocate: Connolly, Taarabt, Helguson, Smith, Ephraim - rejected by Premiership teams, hungry to get back and prove them wrong
Are we just saying that because we were successful? In advance of the signings, you could have said the same thing about Ferdinand, Onuoha etc, except that the results have shown otherwise and make us say that they are greedy money grabbers sitting on a last big payday (which may well be correct). Likewise, for Kenny, read Barton.
I don't disagree with the point, but I guess the key is how you identify the ones in the top list vs the ones in the second list in advance. |  | | |
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