| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread 13:54 - Dec 23 with 28064 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
Match 5 😯
Going a bit early due to Xmas and I'm not changing the format as I'm becoming more superstitious the longer this run continues.
Will the Welsh valleys be filled with the joyous choir melodies of Rangers fans celebrating another good result?
Will The Rs refuse to go gentle into that good night?
Does Matri look younger when QPR do well?
Those Ancient Alien Astronaut theorists give a resounding Yes!
Tough game, no Cook, but we are looking difficult to breakdown. Going for a 1-0 win, but be delighted with a draw.
Happy Xmas everyone, and safe journey to those making the trip along the M4. U Rs! |  | | |  |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 20:40 - Dec 26 with 1432 views | Northernr |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 20:38 - Dec 26 by Burnleyhoop |
Don’t recall seeing a single pass into Kolli’s feet. Can’t hold it up if no one passes to you. Kolli spent the entire period he was on the pitch chasing 3 defenders around with little or no supporting press.
We literally invited Swansea onto to us but did nothing when they arrived. The loss of Cook and Morrison could have a profound effect on performances for the foreseeable future, at least until one of them is back. Fox is not the answer. |
Fox was frightening today. |  | | |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 20:40 - Dec 26 with 1429 views | E15Hoop |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 20:10 - Dec 26 by stainrods_elbow |
If you think the five massively successful managers, players and chefs I cited are all 'psychopaths', I suggest you see a psychiatrist - or maybe just buy a dictionary!
I could also have cited the likes of Dennis Bergkamp, Bobby Moore, and even John Sitton. It isn't only about 'winning at all costs', which is why I included the likes of Ramsey and Pierre White, where the concept doesn't even make sense. It's about the marriage of passion and perfectionism - as Sitton put it, 'wanting to be a good player every game'. That needs fierceness and a kind of obsessive commitment to, as Woody Allen once said, 'keep turning up'.
The only Rs who consistently 'turn up' are some of the mad and lovely people who go to the games week in, week out. This team, and this management team, follow one good game (or good half) with a bad one, or atrocious one, irrespective of who's playing. That, for me, is indicative of a lack of pride, passion and/or, as we saw in today's first half, utter ineptitude. As to the second half, the 'improvement' was as much down to Swansea 'putting their cue on the rack', as anything else. The fact that 15 minutes of reasonable possession (possession that still achieved next to nothing in front of goal) is getting paludits mainly attests to how low people have allowed their expectations to be managed down. [Post edited 26 Dec 20:24]
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..Or maybe just that most posters on here are prepared to look at the mechanics of what happened today and have some level of balanced empathy with the circumstances that led to it happening, rather than indulging ourselves in a feast of pointless finger-pointing and lust for spilled blood. | | | |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 20:50 - Dec 26 with 1330 views | turnsey |
I think next game at Norwich will tell us a lot. These last two away displays against Brizzle City and Swansea have been utterly awful, whether it's a personnel thing, a tactical thing, or combination of both. It's one thing to cede possession and make do with ~30% of the ball, but attempting to become a counter-attacking team relying on the wing pair of Smyth and Saito to provide all of the transitional pace clearly isn't working when you look at the dearth of times we've troubled defences.
Not sure what the way forward is, and I have a bad feeling about the games ahead without either Cook or Morrison to steady the ship. |  | | |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 20:56 - Dec 26 with 1284 views | Northernr |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 20:50 - Dec 26 by turnsey |
I think next game at Norwich will tell us a lot. These last two away displays against Brizzle City and Swansea have been utterly awful, whether it's a personnel thing, a tactical thing, or combination of both. It's one thing to cede possession and make do with ~30% of the ball, but attempting to become a counter-attacking team relying on the wing pair of Smyth and Saito to provide all of the transitional pace clearly isn't working when you look at the dearth of times we've troubled defences.
Not sure what the way forward is, and I have a bad feeling about the games ahead without either Cook or Morrison to steady the ship. |
I didn't fancy us at Norwich before today. Less so now. | | | |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 20:57 - Dec 26 with 1281 views | PunteR |
Morgan was well out of his depth today. |  |
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| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 21:03 - Dec 26 with 1249 views | Northernr |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 20:57 - Dec 26 by PunteR |
Morgan was well out of his depth today. |
Put this on another thread but I'll copy and paste it here seen as carpet bombing the message board is in vogue tonight...
Morgan has done very, very well. But he looks like, and is built like, a child. He's only 18. It's unfair to rely on him in this situation and expect him to do 20+ games through the back half of the season. Firstly you'll get too many weeks like this, where he's brilliant against Preston then awful the next game. Secondly you'll burn him out and risk hurting him physically. We're not managing our squad's health at all well this year. Thinking an 18 year old is gonna do you 20 games in the next four months would be that in spades. | | | |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 21:04 - Dec 26 with 1234 views | Logman |
I think the answer in the next game is to go 5 at the back - so by default, Dunne, JCS and Fox centre backs, Ashby and Paal wing backs and Santos on the bench. Field and Varane are good enough to give us something in centre mid and then a front three from Frey, Chair, Kolli, Smyth, Saito, Morgan etc etc etc with the best option being Frey, Chair and Smyth.
That would be my gameplan. [Post edited 26 Dec 21:05]
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| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 21:06 - Dec 26 with 1222 views | Northernr |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 21:04 - Dec 26 by Logman |
I think the answer in the next game is to go 5 at the back - so by default, Dunne, JCS and Fox centre backs, Ashby and Paal wing backs and Santos on the bench. Field and Varane are good enough to give us something in centre mid and then a front three from Frey, Chair, Kolli, Smyth, Saito, Morgan etc etc etc with the best option being Frey, Chair and Smyth.
That would be my gameplan. [Post edited 26 Dec 21:05]
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I don't hate it, but you've got two in among those five (Paal and JCS) who are very fragile atm and are struggling to do 90. It would leave you with no bench options, really, other than moving Field back. | | | |
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| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 21:07 - Dec 26 with 1203 views | Logman |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 21:03 - Dec 26 by Northernr |
Put this on another thread but I'll copy and paste it here seen as carpet bombing the message board is in vogue tonight...
Morgan has done very, very well. But he looks like, and is built like, a child. He's only 18. It's unfair to rely on him in this situation and expect him to do 20+ games through the back half of the season. Firstly you'll get too many weeks like this, where he's brilliant against Preston then awful the next game. Secondly you'll burn him out and risk hurting him physically. We're not managing our squad's health at all well this year. Thinking an 18 year old is gonna do you 20 games in the next four months would be that in spades. |
Agree with that but Marti would have got pelters if he had omitted him after his game against Preston, especially if it had been for Hamlet (the Danish Ghost) | | | |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 21:08 - Dec 26 with 1203 views | Markofthegrove |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 21:03 - Dec 26 by Northernr |
Put this on another thread but I'll copy and paste it here seen as carpet bombing the message board is in vogue tonight...
Morgan has done very, very well. But he looks like, and is built like, a child. He's only 18. It's unfair to rely on him in this situation and expect him to do 20+ games through the back half of the season. Firstly you'll get too many weeks like this, where he's brilliant against Preston then awful the next game. Secondly you'll burn him out and risk hurting him physically. We're not managing our squad's health at all well this year. Thinking an 18 year old is gonna do you 20 games in the next four months would be that in spades. |
Totally agree it's not Morgans fault. He's been given great development minutes due to squad injuries and our marquee summer signing being absolute dog water.
He will benefit from it and has done well in parts, but I think we need to look at why he has had to be relied upon........over to you Christian. | | | |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 21:08 - Dec 26 with 1202 views | JamesB1979 |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 21:04 - Dec 26 by Logman |
I think the answer in the next game is to go 5 at the back - so by default, Dunne, JCS and Fox centre backs, Ashby and Paal wing backs and Santos on the bench. Field and Varane are good enough to give us something in centre mid and then a front three from Frey, Chair, Kolli, Smyth, Saito, Morgan etc etc etc with the best option being Frey, Chair and Smyth.
That would be my gameplan. [Post edited 26 Dec 21:05]
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Think that’s a good idea away from home. At home though, I think the same formation we’ve had vs Preston. | | | |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 21:11 - Dec 26 with 1175 views | Northernr |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 21:07 - Dec 26 by Logman |
Agree with that but Marti would have got pelters if he had omitted him after his game against Preston, especially if it had been for Hamlet (the Danish Ghost) |
Yeh I'm talking more the months ahead, rather than today. | | | |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 21:19 - Dec 26 with 1119 views | stainrods_elbow |
I would play exactly the same team so they can show us what they're made of. |  |
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| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 21:24 - Dec 26 with 1114 views | JamesB1979 |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 21:19 - Dec 26 by stainrods_elbow |
I would play exactly the same team so they can show us what they're made of. |
Can’t play Fox. I’d move Dunne alongside JCS. Ashby on right and Paal on left. Chair in for Saito. Maybe Madsen for Morgan. Let Morgan go full steam in home game. | | | |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 21:25 - Dec 26 with 1109 views | Watford_Ranger |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 21:08 - Dec 26 by Markofthegrove |
Totally agree it's not Morgans fault. He's been given great development minutes due to squad injuries and our marquee summer signing being absolute dog water.
He will benefit from it and has done well in parts, but I think we need to look at why he has had to be relied upon........over to you Christian. |
Another 45 minutes where I’m no closer to knowing what Madsen is meant to be good at. I’m relieved now when the bloke plays a successful ten yard pass under no pressure. It’ll get lost a bit amongst the various dire performances and defending but that was atrocious. | | | |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 21:27 - Dec 26 with 1100 views | Markofthegrove |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 21:19 - Dec 26 by stainrods_elbow |
I would play exactly the same team so they can show us what they're made of. |
You try to convince everyone you are intelligent, but this is stupid. You've got players falling like flies due to soft tissue injuries and a squad that's as thin as a piece of paper in about 5 positions, but you wanna trot the same players out there in 60 hours time.
You'd probably convince Nourry you're good enough to be Head of Performance. | | | |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 21:29 - Dec 26 with 1083 views | Markofthegrove |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 21:25 - Dec 26 by Watford_Ranger |
Another 45 minutes where I’m no closer to knowing what Madsen is meant to be good at. I’m relieved now when the bloke plays a successful ten yard pass under no pressure. It’ll get lost a bit amongst the various dire performances and defending but that was atrocious. |
Today he actively ran AWAY from a duel more than once. I've never seen anything like it. I've seen enough, but 4 and a half more years will keep everything light hearted for us won't it. [Post edited 26 Dec 21:30]
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| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 21:33 - Dec 26 with 1056 views | StrawberryHillR |
Marco Pierre White wouldn't rest his pastry chef after a botched madeleine, he'd fight him in the restaurant car park, firebomb his house and sleep with his wife, then put him BACK ON DUTY for the next service. There's simply no other way. | | | |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 21:55 - Dec 26 with 984 views | smudgehoop |
I was gutted by our defending in the first half, but given the injuries we've got understandable.
I'd be inclined to park the bus at Norwich and concentrate on a front-footed performance for the Watford game; rotating the players accordingly.
We're still in a better position than we were a year ago - it just hurts that bigger teams with bigger squads have such an advantage over us during the fixture frenzy of festive football. |  |
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| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 21:58 - Dec 26 with 968 views | baz_qpr |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 20:38 - Dec 26 by Burnleyhoop |
Don’t recall seeing a single pass into Kolli’s feet. Can’t hold it up if no one passes to you. Kolli spent the entire period he was on the pitch chasing 3 defenders around with little or no supporting press.
We literally invited Swansea onto to us but did nothing when they arrived. The loss of Cook and Morrison could have a profound effect on performances for the foreseeable future, at least until one of them is back. Fox is not the answer. |
A big part of the problem was both Smyth and Saito were too deep, we need Smyth offering the ball in behind but because the team got so deep whenever we got the ball we were just swarmed with no out to chase down. One of the changes second half was by bringing on Madsen he could drop into right midfield and that released Smyth to get forward without us being left wide open. Chair also is just more reliable in carrying the ball and coming deep. Love Saito but he needs a rest and we need to get Chair in as starter. |  | | |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 22:08 - Dec 26 with 931 views | Northernr |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 21:58 - Dec 26 by baz_qpr |
A big part of the problem was both Smyth and Saito were too deep, we need Smyth offering the ball in behind but because the team got so deep whenever we got the ball we were just swarmed with no out to chase down. One of the changes second half was by bringing on Madsen he could drop into right midfield and that released Smyth to get forward without us being left wide open. Chair also is just more reliable in carrying the ball and coming deep. Love Saito but he needs a rest and we need to get Chair in as starter. |
Saito offers nothing in away games like that. | | | |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 09:30 - Dec 27 with 535 views | mart_Goblin |
Staggering the difference in what some people have to say after a win and after a loss.
Slime all over the message board from the same lemon
I think the mute button might have to be activated . |  | | |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 10:18 - Dec 27 with 413 views | kernowhoop |
I was not there. I watched the club stream. So, forgive me if I am missing something.
I think certain things can be forgiven. Almost certainly, there was a game plan to let Swansea pretend to be Barcelona, dispossess them and attack on the break. Already harder to do than usual, because of Steve Cook's absence, this was badly disrupted by Morrison's late withdrawal. The last-minute patching up meant that Swansea found themselves able to do more than play their possession game - they were actually able to threaten our goal. But, we did win the ball from time to time. Trouble was, we promptly gave it away; so often that I think Swansea concluded that we were no threat at all and they could enjoy themselves. We seemed to have noone to play the ball out to and that reinforced the 'defence versus attack' mentality. There was no 'transition'.
For spells in the second half, we were far more positive. A change of personnel made a difference and I imagine, so did the team talk. But, it was to no avail. We were never going to climb out of a 3-0 hole.
My guess is that, before Norwich, a lot of thought will be given to how to make the best of a damaged defence (Marti earns his keep here) and how to be more threatening on the break. Chair and Frey will surely start the game? | | | |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 10:26 - Dec 27 with 385 views | Watford_Ranger |
The silver lining I hope is he realises the approach at Watford is better than yesterday’s and at Bristol City. Probably more so without Cook and Morrison. He’ll burn his saviour points with the fans quickly trying that at Norwich when we’re 2-0 down after 20 minutes.
If Smyth is out just play Lloyd there please. Can’t be carrying Madsen/Andersen. | | | |
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