| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 08:19 - Sep 19 with 1608 views | onehunglow |
Not great is it |  |
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| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 08:29 - Sep 19 with 1595 views | mangohilljack |
Whatever happened to madazalam Matt? | | | |
| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 08:32 - Sep 19 with 1591 views | AnotherJohn |
Forum readers may care to remember that as a supposedly neutral civil servant (i.e. in a previous role), Sue Gray produced the report on "Partygate" that landed Boris Johnson in hot water. In that report she criticised the culture and leadership of Downing Street.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61578618
Subsequently she was given a plum position that allows her to re-shape that culture. Some may suspect a quid pro quo. | | | |
| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 08:36 - Sep 19 with 1584 views | onehunglow |
| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 08:32 - Sep 19 by AnotherJohn |
Forum readers may care to remember that as a supposedly neutral civil servant (i.e. in a previous role), Sue Gray produced the report on "Partygate" that landed Boris Johnson in hot water. In that report she criticised the culture and leadership of Downing Street.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61578618
Subsequently she was given a plum position that allows her to re-shape that culture. Some may suspect a quid pro quo. |
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| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 08:39 - Sep 19 with 1581 views | AnotherJohn |
| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 08:29 - Sep 19 by mangohilljack |
Whatever happened to madazalam Matt? |
I fear that this may be a bit obscure and off topic. The drug that got Matt Hancock into trouble was Midazolum, a palliative care drug that was alleged to have accelerated elderly deaths during COVID. | | | |
| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 09:20 - Sep 19 with 1512 views | Whiterockin |
When will the public wake up and realise who is actually running the country and its not Starmer. |  | | |
| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 09:28 - Sep 19 with 1504 views | Scotia |
| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 09:20 - Sep 19 by Whiterockin |
When will the public wake up and realise who is actually running the country and its not Starmer. |
It's been a long time since any Prime Minister actually ran the country. Cummings has been mentioned but Princess Nut Nut had a far bigger influence and for longer over BJ, probably because of BJ's :)
Allegedly she encouraged him to crack on with HS2 when everyone else was teling him it was a stupid idea amongst other things.
Before you even consider the influence of people like Ruprt Murdoch - who once said he supported Brexit because people in number 10 listened to him whereas those in Brussels didn't.
I don't think her salary is remarkable when compared to others. The Chief exec of Swansea council earns similar. | | | |
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| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 09:38 - Sep 19 with 1489 views | mangohilljack |
| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 08:39 - Sep 19 by AnotherJohn |
I fear that this may be a bit obscure and off topic. The drug that got Matt Hancock into trouble was Midazolum, a palliative care drug that was alleged to have accelerated elderly deaths during COVID. |
Yup just curious as to what happened to him, or more to the point, is he doing time yet | | | |
| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 12:31 - Sep 19 with 1445 views | felixstowe_jack |
She is only being reward for her "allegedly impartial enquiry " that got rid of an elected PM.
Labour always rewards it friends and union paymasters. | |
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| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 15:30 - Sep 19 with 1380 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
This is a comment from 2017 from former Conservative minister Oliver letwin:
“It took me precisely two years before I realised finally who it is that runs Britain. Our great United Kingdom is actually entirely run by a lady called Sue Gray, the Head of Ethics or something in the Cabinet Office.
“Unless she agrees, things just don’t happen. Cabinet reshuffles, departmental reorganisations, the whole lot – it’s all down to Sue Gray. Nothing moves in Whitehall unless Sue says so. She gets to censor our memoirs too! Our poor, deluded voters think the Prime Minister holds the reins of power. Wrong! The truth is our real leader, Sue Gray, sits at a small desk in the Cabinet Office. If only the Chinese and the Russians knew! They have probably been bugging all the wrong phones for years.”
Another opinion:
“She heads Whitehall’s equivalent of the Office of the Holy Inquisition. If Jeremy Heywood [the Cabinet Secretary] is the Pope she leads the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. She defines what is heretical.
“A slash of scarlet lipstick and bouffant brown hair should not distract one from the truth that she is a steely enforcer of Whitehall authority. All power to the Civil Service is her modus operandi. She owes her allegiance to the permanent government and the deep state.” |  |
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| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 16:01 - Sep 19 with 1360 views | Scotia |
| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 15:30 - Sep 19 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
This is a comment from 2017 from former Conservative minister Oliver letwin:
“It took me precisely two years before I realised finally who it is that runs Britain. Our great United Kingdom is actually entirely run by a lady called Sue Gray, the Head of Ethics or something in the Cabinet Office.
“Unless she agrees, things just don’t happen. Cabinet reshuffles, departmental reorganisations, the whole lot – it’s all down to Sue Gray. Nothing moves in Whitehall unless Sue says so. She gets to censor our memoirs too! Our poor, deluded voters think the Prime Minister holds the reins of power. Wrong! The truth is our real leader, Sue Gray, sits at a small desk in the Cabinet Office. If only the Chinese and the Russians knew! They have probably been bugging all the wrong phones for years.”
Another opinion:
“She heads Whitehall’s equivalent of the Office of the Holy Inquisition. If Jeremy Heywood [the Cabinet Secretary] is the Pope she leads the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. She defines what is heretical.
“A slash of scarlet lipstick and bouffant brown hair should not distract one from the truth that she is a steely enforcer of Whitehall authority. All power to the Civil Service is her modus operandi. She owes her allegiance to the permanent government and the deep state.” |
Sounds like she deserves a pay rise. | | | |
| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 16:03 - Sep 19 with 1350 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 16:01 - Sep 19 by Scotia |
Sounds like she deserves a pay rise. |
Would you agree with the politicisation of the civil service? | |
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| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 16:36 - Sep 19 with 1327 views | max936 |
| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 08:39 - Sep 19 by AnotherJohn |
I fear that this may be a bit obscure and off topic. The drug that got Matt Hancock into trouble was Midazolum, a palliative care drug that was alleged to have accelerated elderly deaths during COVID. |
Its not just a palliative care drug, its used to relax people who have continuous seizures, my youngest has got epilepsy amongst is many other issues and we got to use that drug to break the cycle of the seizures, basically it him relaxes him and he drops off to sleep breaking the cycle. |  |
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| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 16:40 - Sep 19 with 1314 views | max936 |
| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 12:31 - Sep 19 by felixstowe_jack |
She is only being reward for her "allegedly impartial enquiry " that got rid of an elected PM.
Labour always rewards it friends and union paymasters. |
What like the Tories do you mean who also give their mates contracts worth billions who then supply useless PPE.  | |
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| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 18:08 - Sep 19 with 1266 views | Scotia |
| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 16:03 - Sep 19 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Would you agree with the politicisation of the civil service? |
Not at all. Any political affiliation would have to be declared as a conflict of interest. | | | |
| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 18:20 - Sep 19 with 1257 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 18:08 - Sep 19 by Scotia |
Not at all. Any political affiliation would have to be declared as a conflict of interest. |
Well yeah exactly. So it could be considered by any sane individual a conflict of interest if a civil servant releases a report bringing down the sitting prime minister and then immediately taking up high office with the opposition.
It’s just not a good look.
Also her office was reported to have been “an antechamber off the prime ministers office”. Considering “nothing happens in Whitehall without Sue Gray’s approval” surely she would have been aware of the parties in Downing Street as and when they were happening. | |
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| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 18:32 - Sep 19 with 1250 views | majorraglan |
| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 08:32 - Sep 19 by AnotherJohn |
Forum readers may care to remember that as a supposedly neutral civil servant (i.e. in a previous role), Sue Gray produced the report on "Partygate" that landed Boris Johnson in hot water. In that report she criticised the culture and leadership of Downing Street.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61578618
Subsequently she was given a plum position that allows her to re-shape that culture. Some may suspect a quid pro quo. |
Where’s the evidence that she was hiased? I seem to recall that her investigation in to the Downing Street parties identified a culture of sleaze ( which most people could probably see from the stories in the press and on TV, Cummings antics etc). As the ethics it was claimed her integrity was beyond reproach.
I’d suggest that based on what we saw under Boris, there was a need to reshape that culture and with her background in ethics and propriety she’d be a good shout. | | | |
| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 18:40 - Sep 19 with 1226 views | majorraglan |
| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 16:03 - Sep 19 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Would you agree with the politicisation of the civil service? |
Absolutely not, but if Letwin’s frustrations with Grey were because the Conservative regime were trying to cut corners, deviate from protocol, do dodgy deals, slot people in to key posts without due process etc etc then that puts another context to his comments. | | | |
| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 18:41 - Sep 19 with 1222 views | Scotia |
| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 18:20 - Sep 19 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Well yeah exactly. So it could be considered by any sane individual a conflict of interest if a civil servant releases a report bringing down the sitting prime minister and then immediately taking up high office with the opposition.
It’s just not a good look.
Also her office was reported to have been “an antechamber off the prime ministers office”. Considering “nothing happens in Whitehall without Sue Gray’s approval” surely she would have been aware of the parties in Downing Street as and when they were happening. |
It depends on the precise timing. It might just be good recruitment.
Poacher turned game keeper.
I wouldn't have thought the parties were known about outside of the attendees and definitely not the wider civil service. | | | |
| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 18:43 - Sep 19 with 1212 views | majorraglan |
| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 12:31 - Sep 19 by felixstowe_jack |
She is only being reward for her "allegedly impartial enquiry " that got rid of an elected PM.
Labour always rewards it friends and union paymasters. |
I’d have a lot more faith an a career civil servant than a politician, especially someone like Boris the liar. | | | |
| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 18:51 - Sep 19 with 1178 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 18:41 - Sep 19 by Scotia |
It depends on the precise timing. It might just be good recruitment.
Poacher turned game keeper.
I wouldn't have thought the parties were known about outside of the attendees and definitely not the wider civil service. |
Wouldn’t have known? One of the parties happened in the garden. She’d only have to look out the window! There were also emails flying around with invites and staffers nipping out to the local shop to bring back hundreds of pounds of booze in suitcases, which the metropolitan police turned a blind eye to. This isn’t a lock in at the local pub. It’s one of the most guarded and surveyed complex of buildings in the western hemisphere. | |
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| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 18:59 - Sep 19 with 1173 views | majorraglan |
Going back to the OP, Considering the role, her experience and comparative salaries while it is a lot I don’t think it’s that excessive, the Chief Executives of our county councils are on similar salaries.
Cummings was pulling around £145k four years ago, allowing for inflation that would now be higher than what Grey is now earning. I don’t think it’s case of Cummings eat your heart out at all. [Post edited 19 Sep 19:00]
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| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 19:06 - Sep 19 with 1155 views | Scotia |
| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 18:51 - Sep 19 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Wouldn’t have known? One of the parties happened in the garden. She’d only have to look out the window! There were also emails flying around with invites and staffers nipping out to the local shop to bring back hundreds of pounds of booze in suitcases, which the metropolitan police turned a blind eye to. This isn’t a lock in at the local pub. It’s one of the most guarded and surveyed complex of buildings in the western hemisphere. |
As I understand she didn't work in number 10, but in the cabinet office around the corner.
If I was going to throw a party that was against the law I'd make sure as few people knew as possible. | | | |
| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 19:26 - Sep 19 with 1142 views | AnotherJohn |
| Is Number 10 dysfunctional? on 18:32 - Sep 19 by majorraglan |
Where’s the evidence that she was hiased? I seem to recall that her investigation in to the Downing Street parties identified a culture of sleaze ( which most people could probably see from the stories in the press and on TV, Cummings antics etc). As the ethics it was claimed her integrity was beyond reproach.
I’d suggest that based on what we saw under Boris, there was a need to reshape that culture and with her background in ethics and propriety she’d be a good shout. |
I made no allegation that Sue Gray was biased. The glaringly obvious point is that it is not a good look for a senior civil servant who played a big part in bringing down a Conservative government to then accept what is essentially a political appointment as a special advisor to the incoming Labour PM. Can you think of any precedent for this kind of thing? | | | |
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