| General Election Thread 17:46 - May 22 with 246966 views | loftboy |
This will be the first election that I have no idea who to vote for, will never vote Tory again after the lies during covid where my dad lost his life, don’t trust starmer, would never vote for a bunch of racists like reform , anyone give me a clue?
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| General Election Thread on 13:08 - May 28 with 2837 views | essextaxiboy |
| General Election Thread on 12:12 - May 28 by derbyhoop |
No vote = no say. You can't then complain if what follows is not to your taste. |
Which of course applies to the 18-30 age group after the Brexit vote |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 13:09 - May 28 with 2830 views | Watford_Ranger |
| General Election Thread on 12:29 - May 28 by SheffieldHoop |
We had a referendum on voting reform in 2011. Less than 50% of eligible voters bothered to vote. 2 out of 3 voted no.
I don't really buy the "We need to bin FPTP" sentiment given we had an opportunity to do it in recent history, and passed on it. For context, I was a Yes. AV was not ideal, but surely still better than FPTP/2 party (But both basically the same) system. Apparently not when both major parties like things the way they are. |
A lot changes in 13 years. I think there’s a lot more appetite for something more representative now after the nonsense we’ve had in that time. Young people who would benefit more from a different system are far more politically engaged than I was at that age in 2011. |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 13:44 - May 28 with 2746 views | Jevlar |
I don’t think the conservatives have had long enough. |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 13:45 - May 28 with 2742 views | CamberleyR |
Can we steer the topic away from the B word guys and stick to the General Election? |  |
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| General Election Thread on 14:01 - May 28 with 2707 views | derbyhoop |
| General Election Thread on 13:08 - May 28 by essextaxiboy |
Which of course applies to the 18-30 age group after the Brexit vote |
No argument from me on that.
If you can't be bothered to vote you can't complain too much about the outcome.
I've never subscribed to claims of 37% approval in Brexit vote. It was 52:48 for those who could be ars3d. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 14:03 - May 28 with 2678 views | SheffieldHoop |
| General Election Thread on 13:09 - May 28 by Watford_Ranger |
A lot changes in 13 years. I think there’s a lot more appetite for something more representative now after the nonsense we’ve had in that time. Young people who would benefit more from a different system are far more politically engaged than I was at that age in 2011. |
Meh, I still think that both major parties would whip their MPs and grassroots to campaign for a 'No', and 'No' would win. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 14:05 - May 28 with 2680 views | QPR_John |
| General Election Thread on 11:25 - May 28 by QPR_Hibs |
" Which will lead to every state pensioner with no other income having to fill in a self assessment form with the extra burden on the IR at the end of the tax year. "
A small point, but I'm pretty sure that there will be no requirement to fill out self assessment forms. If your income exceeds your tax code the government will know! |
But the problem stems from the fact while taxable the state pension is not taxed at source. That is no tax is paid during the tax year and will have to be paid as a lump sum should the state pension exceed the tax free allowance. So its self assessment or the IR sending payment demands to all receiving only the state pension. [Post edited 28 May 14:11]
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| General Election Thread on 14:23 - May 28 with 2609 views | essextaxiboy |
| General Election Thread on 10:15 - May 28 by QPR_John |
The tax allowance is £12750 and the state pension is about £11500. Now while the state pension is taxable it is not taxed at source (like PAYE). Hence any pensioner receiving only the state pension does not in effect pay any tax. Without any change the state pension will eventually exceed the free pay allowance. Which will lead to every state pensioner with no other income having to fill in a self assessment form with the extra burden on the IR at the end of the tax year. Unless the free pay allowance increases in the near future this plan was inevitable whoever gets in. |
The tax free allowance is frozen until 27/28 | | | |
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| General Election Thread on 15:41 - May 28 with 2493 views | kensalriser |
| General Election Thread on 14:23 - May 28 by essextaxiboy |
The tax free allowance is frozen until 27/28 |
It is and it isn't. It can be changed in any budget. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 16:04 - May 28 with 2425 views | dmm |
| General Election Thread on 11:09 - May 28 by SheffieldHoop |
UKIP eating into the Conservative vote forced the referendum. Cameron wouldn't have got his majority in 2015 without including that referendum commitment in the manifesto. It's a rare case of democracy actually working and giving the Government no option but to listen to us, and we should be proud of that.
More referendums, more democracy. |
So you like direct democracy? Okay then, let's have another referendum on Brexit. |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 16:21 - May 28 with 2375 views | rbee |
| General Election Thread on 16:04 - May 28 by dmm |
So you like direct democracy? Okay then, let's have another referendum on Brexit. |
I wonder how the European Union would treat us slinking back with our tail between our legs. I doubt it would be a painless process.
With regard to the General Election seeing as whoever is in power makes little difference nationally I will be voting locally. [Post edited 28 May 16:28]
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| General Election Thread on 16:31 - May 28 with 2343 views | QPR_Hibs |
| General Election Thread on 14:05 - May 28 by QPR_John |
But the problem stems from the fact while taxable the state pension is not taxed at source. That is no tax is paid during the tax year and will have to be paid as a lump sum should the state pension exceed the tax free allowance. So its self assessment or the IR sending payment demands to all receiving only the state pension. [Post edited 28 May 14:11]
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Fair enough.
It would therefore make sense (and save a load of administration) for the tax free allowance to be raised to match the state pension amount in the future. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 16:43 - May 28 with 2284 views | QPR_John |
| General Election Thread on 16:04 - May 28 by dmm |
So you like direct democracy? Okay then, let's have another referendum on Brexit. |
You obviously think you will win even with the knowledge that we will be in the Schengen area and will be forced to adopt the Euro should we be allowed to re-join. It seems to me that those wanting a return to the EU not only think it was a bad idea to leave but in reality believe there is no circumstance where we could leave no matter what Brussels inflicted on us with majority voting. Is such an organisation a little dangerous. We voted to join the Common Market not what the organisation became and when given the choice we voted out. The EU like any other such organisation wants more and more power until it will eventually kill itself. | | | |
| General Election Thread on 16:44 - May 28 with 2274 views | QPR_John |
| General Election Thread on 16:31 - May 28 by QPR_Hibs |
Fair enough.
It would therefore make sense (and save a load of administration) for the tax free allowance to be raised to match the state pension amount in the future. |
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| General Election Thread on 16:56 - May 28 with 2227 views | SheffieldHoop |
| General Election Thread on 16:04 - May 28 by dmm |
So you like direct democracy? Okay then, let's have another referendum on Brexit. |
I've always expected we would be asked again. Standard EU tactic. A second referendum was always going to come eventually, regardless of whether anybody is seriously asking for it or not. And atm I can't see that many people seriously are.
I'm not sure this country has been sufficiently engineered and propagandized to prevent another "leave" vote, although it does seem to be in the works. I can't see that many people in Sunderland or Sheffield or any other Brexity town have changed their view on it. These people were abandoned while we were very much in the EU and nothing has changed since we left. The EU migrants have been replaced by Non-EU migrants. It's now time for those abandoned people to come to terms with a managerial elite that hates them (and basically wants them substituted for a more compliant slave class) | |
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| General Election Thread on 17:14 - May 28 with 2177 views | Lblock |
| General Election Thread on 16:43 - May 28 by QPR_John |
You obviously think you will win even with the knowledge that we will be in the Schengen area and will be forced to adopt the Euro should we be allowed to re-join. It seems to me that those wanting a return to the EU not only think it was a bad idea to leave but in reality believe there is no circumstance where we could leave no matter what Brussels inflicted on us with majority voting. Is such an organisation a little dangerous. We voted to join the Common Market not what the organisation became and when given the choice we voted out. The EU like any other such organisation wants more and more power until it will eventually kill itself. |
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| General Election Thread on 18:24 - May 28 with 2074 views | willesdenr |
It's worth pointing out that FPTP is not exactly democratic. In the 2019 election the current Tory government received only 43.6% of the popular vote, yet ended up with an 80 seat majority. Nationally the SNP received 3.9% of the vote and gained 48 seats, while the Greens received 2,7% and only 1 seat.
Putin wouldn't have to murder his opponents with that voting system. | | | |
| General Election Thread on 18:34 - May 28 with 2040 views | loftupper |
| General Election Thread on 16:56 - May 28 by SheffieldHoop |
I've always expected we would be asked again. Standard EU tactic. A second referendum was always going to come eventually, regardless of whether anybody is seriously asking for it or not. And atm I can't see that many people seriously are.
I'm not sure this country has been sufficiently engineered and propagandized to prevent another "leave" vote, although it does seem to be in the works. I can't see that many people in Sunderland or Sheffield or any other Brexity town have changed their view on it. These people were abandoned while we were very much in the EU and nothing has changed since we left. The EU migrants have been replaced by Non-EU migrants. It's now time for those abandoned people to come to terms with a managerial elite that hates them (and basically wants them substituted for a more compliant slave class) |
I honestly enjoy reading your hyperbole. 'compliant slave class' | | | |
| General Election Thread on 19:52 - May 28 with 1949 views | loftboy |
| General Election Thread on 11:40 - May 28 by colinallcars |
I was alarmed by Starmer wishing to lower the voting age to 16.
I would raise it to 53 and smoking a pipe. |
Oxymoron that one by Kier, I left school at 16 and 1 month, straight into work paying taxes but couldn’t vote until I was 18, now kids can’t leave until they’re 18 but will be able to vote whilst still at school. 🤷♂️ | |
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| General Election Thread on 20:32 - May 28 with 1895 views | numptydumpty |
| General Election Thread on 19:52 - May 28 by loftboy |
Oxymoron that one by Kier, I left school at 16 and 1 month, straight into work paying taxes but couldn’t vote until I was 18, now kids can’t leave until they’re 18 but will be able to vote whilst still at school. 🤷♂️ |
I am guessing the lowest percentage of actual votes cast is lowest in the youngest age range ie 18 to 24.
I was reasonably intelligent as a 16 to 18 year old but most of my views around politics at the time came from Spitting Image and I was far from responsible.
But I guess a great percentage of voters dont look deeply into what is promised and what is expected anyhow
But then also there is the question as to what we are actually voting for and who exactly we are voting for, to implement their specific policies and who we actually believe will do what they say
Its almost like we are voting for who we dont like the least !!!
Not great options
But if you are legally allowed to engage in sexual intercourse with the responsibility of birth control, then voting isnt really that much of a responsibility by way of comparison. [Post edited 28 May 20:34]
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| General Election Thread on 07:54 - May 29 with 2853 views | QPR_Jim |
| General Election Thread on 16:43 - May 28 by QPR_John |
You obviously think you will win even with the knowledge that we will be in the Schengen area and will be forced to adopt the Euro should we be allowed to re-join. It seems to me that those wanting a return to the EU not only think it was a bad idea to leave but in reality believe there is no circumstance where we could leave no matter what Brussels inflicted on us with majority voting. Is such an organisation a little dangerous. We voted to join the Common Market not what the organisation became and when given the choice we voted out. The EU like any other such organisation wants more and more power until it will eventually kill itself. |
Maybe he just thinks it's ironic that people hail the democracy of the referendum but refused to have a further referendum once the options for what Brexit looked like were fleshed out.
If it's so great why don't we turn the general election into a referendum. It would have to be a yes/no type question s I guess do you want to stick with the conservatives or not? If/when conservatives lose we'll leave it to the MPs to decide what happens after that and the public just have to live with it.
The Liberal Democrats want to stop companies polluting our rivers and seas. It's a shame that when politicians were saying that leaving the EU will allow us to set our own rules they weren't clearer than it meant lowering our water standards so swimmers would get sick and we'd have to send bottled water to Devon. Who could have seen that coming? |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 08:15 - May 29 with 2771 views | SydneyRs |
| General Election Thread on 20:32 - May 28 by numptydumpty |
I am guessing the lowest percentage of actual votes cast is lowest in the youngest age range ie 18 to 24.
I was reasonably intelligent as a 16 to 18 year old but most of my views around politics at the time came from Spitting Image and I was far from responsible.
But I guess a great percentage of voters dont look deeply into what is promised and what is expected anyhow
But then also there is the question as to what we are actually voting for and who exactly we are voting for, to implement their specific policies and who we actually believe will do what they say
Its almost like we are voting for who we dont like the least !!!
Not great options
But if you are legally allowed to engage in sexual intercourse with the responsibility of birth control, then voting isnt really that much of a responsibility by way of comparison. [Post edited 28 May 20:34]
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Getting your views from Spitting Image is probably no worse than getting them from the Sun, Mirror, Express, Mail, Sky News, GB News etc as so many do.
There's a reason why so many of these outlets put deliberately misleading headlines on stories than often when you read them bear little resemblance to the title, its because so many don't bother to read beyond it.
At least Spitting Image lampooned all sides. Too many media outlets are essentially just ongoing campaigns for political parties, mainly the tories. | | | |
| General Election Thread on 09:05 - May 29 with 2664 views | loftboy |
Diane Abbott banned from standing by labour due to her comments last year on race. [Post edited 29 May 9:06]
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| General Election Thread on 09:22 - May 29 with 2613 views | nix |
| General Election Thread on 08:15 - May 29 by SydneyRs |
Getting your views from Spitting Image is probably no worse than getting them from the Sun, Mirror, Express, Mail, Sky News, GB News etc as so many do.
There's a reason why so many of these outlets put deliberately misleading headlines on stories than often when you read them bear little resemblance to the title, its because so many don't bother to read beyond it.
At least Spitting Image lampooned all sides. Too many media outlets are essentially just ongoing campaigns for political parties, mainly the tories. |
Even worse is getting your politics from social media.
I thnk there's an awful lot of sustained campaigning disguised as normal conversation. I also follow a predominantly female forum and nearly every day at the moment there's a political post shoe-horned into a completely irrelevant subject area. For example, someone talking about cheeky f*ckers and there's a post about Cheri Blair getting freebies. It doesn't happen outside of an election, so I really think it's a thing.
It worked really well for Brexit or anti-vaxxing - you just repeat a made up fact ad nauseum and eventually normal people start repeating it as the truth. It's very dispiriting All those people who want to appear in the know or who want to believe they are 'independent thinkers' - for that read conspiracy theorists - lap up all this stuff. |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 09:27 - May 29 with 2596 views | hubble |
| General Election Thread on 09:22 - May 29 by nix |
Even worse is getting your politics from social media.
I thnk there's an awful lot of sustained campaigning disguised as normal conversation. I also follow a predominantly female forum and nearly every day at the moment there's a political post shoe-horned into a completely irrelevant subject area. For example, someone talking about cheeky f*ckers and there's a post about Cheri Blair getting freebies. It doesn't happen outside of an election, so I really think it's a thing.
It worked really well for Brexit or anti-vaxxing - you just repeat a made up fact ad nauseum and eventually normal people start repeating it as the truth. It's very dispiriting All those people who want to appear in the know or who want to believe they are 'independent thinkers' - for that read conspiracy theorists - lap up all this stuff. |
"All those people who want to appear in the know or who want to believe they are 'independent thinkers' - for that read conspiracy theorists - lap up all this stuff."
I'm sure people who have alternative opinions to those of the mainstream orthodoxy feel exactly the same way about your opinions, Nix. |  |
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