| Everton points deduction reduced 13:50 - Feb 26 with 20884 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
Reduced by 4 points to 6. Can't surely have them get relegated rather than little old Luton. What a joke.
Good thing is it pulls Brentford down a little further. |  | | |  |
| Everton points deduction reduced on 13:54 - Feb 26 with 7862 views | daveB |
They are facing a second points deduction for this season so may well end up getting a 12 point hit this season.
Forest bang in trouble now as well if a 6 points deduction is the norm |  | | |
| Everton points deduction reduced on 13:55 - Feb 26 with 7827 views | LazyFan |
This will be about Citeh really, so when they appeal against relegation, it will be reduced to -30 pts. They cannot win anything in that season but still stay up for the season after. Same with the Scum.
It's not about Everton it's about the others. Florist will be upset at this now, as if Luton win a couple they are in trouble. |  |
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| Everton points deduction reduced on 15:10 - Feb 26 with 7508 views | lassel |
| Everton points deduction reduced on 13:55 - Feb 26 by LazyFan |
This will be about Citeh really, so when they appeal against relegation, it will be reduced to -30 pts. They cannot win anything in that season but still stay up for the season after. Same with the Scum.
It's not about Everton it's about the others. Florist will be upset at this now, as if Luton win a couple they are in trouble. |
Eh? City and Everton cases and completely different. | | | |
| Everton points deduction reduced on 16:02 - Feb 26 with 7343 views | WatfordR |
It's utter nonsense that these points deductions are being applied and amended mid season. Should be done prior to the start of the season, and should not be changed after that point.
We know from our appeal that courts take the view that it's the Prem/EFL's competition, so they can do what they like, so why they can't dictate that all clubs have a business year that ends, let's say 5 April, and that results for that year are complete by, let's say 30 Jun, so that any punishment may be applied before the start of the next season. No results released by then, max points deduction automatically applied.
The current system is open to all sorts of abuse, and is unfair on other clubs which are complying with the rules. I suspect though, it will take a club to actually sue the ruling body/ies to ever get this changed. Why the f@ck Luton now, and Wycombe before them should be treated in this way is unfathomable, it's discriminatory at the very least. |  | | |
| Everton points deduction reduced on 16:34 - Feb 26 with 7249 views | bosh67 |
I really feel that Luton are far more worthy of staying up rather than Everton and Forrest, or even Brentford. |  |
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| Everton points deduction reduced on 16:45 - Feb 26 with 7187 views | switchingcode |
| Everton points deduction reduced on 16:02 - Feb 26 by WatfordR |
It's utter nonsense that these points deductions are being applied and amended mid season. Should be done prior to the start of the season, and should not be changed after that point.
We know from our appeal that courts take the view that it's the Prem/EFL's competition, so they can do what they like, so why they can't dictate that all clubs have a business year that ends, let's say 5 April, and that results for that year are complete by, let's say 30 Jun, so that any punishment may be applied before the start of the next season. No results released by then, max points deduction automatically applied.
The current system is open to all sorts of abuse, and is unfair on other clubs which are complying with the rules. I suspect though, it will take a club to actually sue the ruling body/ies to ever get this changed. Why the f@ck Luton now, and Wycombe before them should be treated in this way is unfathomable, it's discriminatory at the very least. |
Yes agree it’s all utter nonsense highlighted by the PL stating that when they dish out their punishment to Everton again and Forrest soon and the outcome of any appeal will be announced no later than a week after the season has finished..When the new regulator is appointed for next season the top rich clubs will be able to lose as much as they like as long it is guaranteed in a sort of escrow account.Might as well dump the whole FFP charade.
The Premier league is just a place clubs like Brentford Luton Bournmouth and many others to visit for a short time and most of their fans prefer the championship. | | | |
| Everton points deduction reduced on 17:03 - Feb 26 with 7122 views | numptydumpty |
Forest broke the rules knowingly but it worked they went up.
Second season and a small points dedcution could have little effect and will still get parachute payments if they went down so financially themselves breaking the rules and managing two or three seasons in the premiership would have made the rule breaking a risk well taken even if they are correctly punished.
Stupid system that has no real set punishments and the timings of changes make the whole situation farcical !!! |  |
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| Everton points deduction reduced on 17:28 - Feb 26 with 7013 views | switchingcode |
| Everton points deduction reduced on 16:34 - Feb 26 by bosh67 |
I really feel that Luton are far more worthy of staying up rather than Everton and Forrest, or even Brentford. |
How do you work that out | | | |
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| Everton points deduction reduced on 18:03 - Feb 26 with 6922 views | Kensal_Ranger |
| Everton points deduction reduced on 17:28 - Feb 26 by switchingcode |
How do you work that out |
It’s a ‘feeling’, so you don’t have to show your working out to anybody. |  | | |
| Everton points deduction reduced on 18:42 - Feb 26 with 6797 views | stevec |
You can’t escape the feeling that any further points deductions will be short enough to send Luton down. |  | | |
| Everton points deduction reduced on 19:23 - Feb 26 with 6693 views | Harbour |
| Everton points deduction reduced on 16:02 - Feb 26 by WatfordR |
It's utter nonsense that these points deductions are being applied and amended mid season. Should be done prior to the start of the season, and should not be changed after that point.
We know from our appeal that courts take the view that it's the Prem/EFL's competition, so they can do what they like, so why they can't dictate that all clubs have a business year that ends, let's say 5 April, and that results for that year are complete by, let's say 30 Jun, so that any punishment may be applied before the start of the next season. No results released by then, max points deduction automatically applied.
The current system is open to all sorts of abuse, and is unfair on other clubs which are complying with the rules. I suspect though, it will take a club to actually sue the ruling body/ies to ever get this changed. Why the f@ck Luton now, and Wycombe before them should be treated in this way is unfathomable, it's discriminatory at the very least. |
Yes totally agree it’s a farce get 10 points then reduced to 6 during the season. Ridiculous for other clubs. Give the deduction at start of the season no change that’s it. Sometimes think would have been better if we had 6 points deduction instead of the huge fine we are still playing. Unsurprisingly the big clubs City the scum flout the laws and get away with it. | | | |
| Everton points deduction reduced on 22:42 - Feb 26 with 6453 views | numptydumpty |
| Everton points deduction reduced on 19:23 - Feb 26 by Harbour |
Yes totally agree it’s a farce get 10 points then reduced to 6 during the season. Ridiculous for other clubs. Give the deduction at start of the season no change that’s it. Sometimes think would have been better if we had 6 points deduction instead of the huge fine we are still playing. Unsurprisingly the big clubs City the scum flout the laws and get away with it. |
There is a lot of noise about the rule breaking by City and Chelsea and the rule breaking by City so am led to believe the number of transgressions is in three figures.
These rumours whether true or not have been.bandied around for a year or so, so why has nothing been done.
Should be done immediately.
Or are they not going to be doing anything at all.
If City have transgressed more than 100 occasions in comparison to others, it's on a par with Glasgow Rangers who got relegated down about six leagues.
City and Chelsea could then be regular competitors at Wembley finals still. FA Vase !!!! | |
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| Everton points deduction reduced on 00:08 - Feb 27 with 6326 views | ted_hendrix |
Issue a club with a 10 point deduction and then reduce It to a six point deduction.
What the hell Is the point In that FFS?
Just issue a six point deduction at the start of the season and say 'deal with It'
Or stick the point deductions up your arse and f uck off and do something useful and Is beneficial to football.
Useless bastards. |  |
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| Everton points deduction reduced on 00:54 - Feb 27 with 6263 views | SydneyRs |
| Everton points deduction reduced on 13:54 - Feb 26 by daveB |
They are facing a second points deduction for this season so may well end up getting a 12 point hit this season.
Forest bang in trouble now as well if a 6 points deduction is the norm |
If this happens and they appeal it apparently takes it past the end of the season so I assume any punishment would be next season.
And again. Chelsea? | | | |
| Everton points deduction reduced on 00:56 - Feb 27 with 6259 views | SydneyRs |
| Everton points deduction reduced on 22:42 - Feb 26 by numptydumpty |
There is a lot of noise about the rule breaking by City and Chelsea and the rule breaking by City so am led to believe the number of transgressions is in three figures.
These rumours whether true or not have been.bandied around for a year or so, so why has nothing been done.
Should be done immediately.
Or are they not going to be doing anything at all.
If City have transgressed more than 100 occasions in comparison to others, it's on a par with Glasgow Rangers who got relegated down about six leagues.
City and Chelsea could then be regular competitors at Wembley finals still. FA Vase !!!! |
Glasgow Rangers were not relegated, they were liquidated. Its a new club now. | | | |
| Everton points deduction reduced on 07:11 - Feb 27 with 6080 views | PlanetHonneywood |
As with any forum with the power to issue sanctions, a right of appeal is part of the process of natural justice.
Thus, for me, the questions are: What rule(s) did Everton break? What were the penalties for breaking those rules? Were they known? Was the decion finding Everton guilty fair? Was the penalty appropriate for the rule(s) broken, and in line with those handed down to other clubs? If the penalties were appropriate, why and on what basis have they been reduced?
Reading got a double points deduction last season if I recall correctly. No idea if they appealed, or if their breach and treatment the same. However, I have zero confidence that our authorities are not acting with their eyes elsewhere, and even less confident that they would do what the Italian authorities did a few years back to Juventus, and really throw the book at a top club for serious breaches of the rules, and relegate several leagues.
Fcuk 'em! |  |
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| Everton points deduction reduced on 08:01 - Feb 27 with 6023 views | CamberleyR |
| Everton points deduction reduced on 00:56 - Feb 27 by SydneyRs |
Glasgow Rangers were not relegated, they were liquidated. Its a new club now. |
Even though their fans try and make out it isn't hence the massive fuss they made when Gerrard won the SPL with them and their fans kept going on about 'number 53' or whatever it was. |  |
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| Everton points deduction reduced on 08:03 - Feb 27 with 6013 views | SydneyRs |
| Everton points deduction reduced on 08:01 - Feb 27 by CamberleyR |
Even though their fans try and make out it isn't hence the massive fuss they made when Gerrard won the SPL with them and their fans kept going on about 'number 53' or whatever it was. |
55 and almost every single one of them has it in their Twitter photo or name. Its pathetic. | | | |
| Everton points deduction reduced on 08:48 - Feb 27 with 5928 views | Landshark |
I see Nottingham Forest are having their hearing next week and are being represented by our very own Nick de Marco. It could be a very messy end of the season if Forest get a points deduction or Everton get a further deduction and are relegated. | | | |
| Everton points deduction reduced on 08:51 - Feb 27 with 5919 views | slmrstid |
| Everton points deduction reduced on 07:11 - Feb 27 by PlanetHonneywood |
As with any forum with the power to issue sanctions, a right of appeal is part of the process of natural justice.
Thus, for me, the questions are: What rule(s) did Everton break? What were the penalties for breaking those rules? Were they known? Was the decion finding Everton guilty fair? Was the penalty appropriate for the rule(s) broken, and in line with those handed down to other clubs? If the penalties were appropriate, why and on what basis have they been reduced?
Reading got a double points deduction last season if I recall correctly. No idea if they appealed, or if their breach and treatment the same. However, I have zero confidence that our authorities are not acting with their eyes elsewhere, and even less confident that they would do what the Italian authorities did a few years back to Juventus, and really throw the book at a top club for serious breaches of the rules, and relegate several leagues.
Fcuk 'em! |
Juve never got that much of a punishment, originally it was 2 leagues and a huge points deduction with risk of a third relegation, eventually reduced to just one year in Serie B with a 9 point deduction and they still won the league by miles and went straight back to Serie A. |  | | |
| Everton points deduction reduced on 08:53 - Feb 27 with 5907 views | NorthantsHoop |
| Everton points deduction reduced on 00:08 - Feb 27 by ted_hendrix |
Issue a club with a 10 point deduction and then reduce It to a six point deduction.
What the hell Is the point In that FFS?
Just issue a six point deduction at the start of the season and say 'deal with It'
Or stick the point deductions up your arse and f uck off and do something useful and Is beneficial to football.
Useless bastards. |
Absolutely a total farce the whole lot of the fining system. |  | | |
| Everton points deduction reduced on 08:54 - Feb 27 with 5895 views | daveB |
| Everton points deduction reduced on 00:54 - Feb 27 by SydneyRs |
If this happens and they appeal it apparently takes it past the end of the season so I assume any punishment would be next season.
And again. Chelsea? |
Chelsea haven't breached the rules yet as they get good prize money from Europe, sold a lot of players for big money, high league finishes etc although that may well change soon as they've been crap for 18 months | | | |
| Everton points deduction reduced on 10:35 - Feb 27 with 5764 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Everton points deduction reduced on 08:51 - Feb 27 by slmrstid |
Juve never got that much of a punishment, originally it was 2 leagues and a huge points deduction with risk of a third relegation, eventually reduced to just one year in Serie B with a 9 point deduction and they still won the league by miles and went straight back to Serie A. |
Good clarification.
However, do we have any confidence that the English authorities will drop City and/or Chelsea and hand down similar or harsher punishments if found guilty?
If they were so relegated, then I wonder how FFP would impact them. Surely a season in the Championship with its financial impact would fcuk em up at some stage?
Either way: I remain to be surprised if found guilty, that the book will be thrown at them. [Post edited 27 Feb 11:05]
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| Everton points deduction reduced on 11:08 - Feb 27 with 5701 views | Marshy67 |
Fair play to Brentford.
How many clubs would stand by a manager that has seen his team win 2 draw 1 and lose14 of their last 17 matches
Quite remarkable in this world of hire and fire.
Let's hope the Bees pick up 3 points on Saturday! | | | |
| Everton points deduction reduced on 11:55 - Feb 27 with 5564 views | SydneyRs |
| Everton points deduction reduced on 11:08 - Feb 27 by Marshy67 |
Fair play to Brentford.
How many clubs would stand by a manager that has seen his team win 2 draw 1 and lose14 of their last 17 matches
Quite remarkable in this world of hire and fire.
Let's hope the Bees pick up 3 points on Saturday! |
They look good enough to stay up and probably will. They also stuck with the manager when he had a very bad start after joining them. | | | |
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