| Irish Unification Referendum 18:34 - Feb 7 with 8537 views | johnlangy |
When there is a unification referendum a very strange occurrence could take place.
In the 2019 GE a huge number of natural Labour voters in the Red Wall seats voted Conservative for the very first (and hopefully last) time. And they did that in order to ‘Get Brexit Done’. They ‘lent’ the Conservatives their vote for the one specific purpose. Because they had voted for Brexit.
In Northern Ireland, in the 2016 referendum, the vote was 58% to remain. Which means that a substantial number of unionists voted for remain. So, when the Unification referendum happens it’s quite possible that a similar thing will happen as per the 2019 GE. Except in reverse.
The Red Wall voters voted Tory to get Brexit done. In NI unionists may vote for the Nationalists unification argument (lend them their vote for the one specific purpose) in order to rejoin the EU. Because they had voted remain.
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 16:46 - Feb 11 with 934 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 16:42 - Feb 11 by onehunglow |
And many in the south don’t want an Ireland including theBritish Protestant bigots in the north.
Presumably ,instead of identifying as British,they will then identify as Irish .
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Don't think the Republic of Ireland wants Catholic or protestants bigots or wants to have to fund all their benefits. | |
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 17:23 - Feb 11 with 916 views | Togg |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 16:46 - Feb 11 by felixstowe_jack |
Don't think the Republic of Ireland wants Catholic or protestants bigots or wants to have to fund all their benefits. |
It will cost them financially huge amounts to have two waring bunch of bigoted idiots. If I was Irish I would want nothing to do with Northern Ireland | | | |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 17:36 - Feb 11 with 901 views | onehunglow |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 17:23 - Feb 11 by Togg |
It will cost them financially huge amounts to have two waring bunch of bigoted idiots. If I was Irish I would want nothing to do with Northern Ireland |
which was my point | |
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 20:54 - Feb 11 with 873 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 17:23 - Feb 11 by Togg |
It will cost them financially huge amounts to have two waring bunch of bigoted idiots. If I was Irish I would want nothing to do with Northern Ireland |
The Constitution of Ireland had a claim to the north of Ireland until 1998. It was removed and replaced by the GFA.
The GFA details the process for a united Ireland based on the will of the people. |  |
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 08:27 - Feb 12 with 844 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 20:54 - Feb 11 by Kilkennyjack |
The Constitution of Ireland had a claim to the north of Ireland until 1998. It was removed and replaced by the GFA.
The GFA details the process for a united Ireland based on the will of the people. |
The GFA fully recognises that NI is part of the UNITED KINGDOM.
The ROI has fully recognised this as has the UNITED NATIONS and the EU. | |
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 09:58 - Feb 12 with 828 views | johnlangy |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 08:27 - Feb 12 by felixstowe_jack |
The GFA fully recognises that NI is part of the UNITED KINGDOM.
The ROI has fully recognised this as has the UNITED NATIONS and the EU. |
This is what Kilkenny said. 'The GFA details the process for a united Ireland based on the will of the people.'
When the GFA was agreed it recognised that NI was, and still is, part of the UK. The GFA also detailed the situation when a unification ref could be called.
The two aren't incompatible. | | | |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 10:07 - Feb 12 with 826 views | onehunglow |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 09:58 - Feb 12 by johnlangy |
This is what Kilkenny said. 'The GFA details the process for a united Ireland based on the will of the people.'
When the GFA was agreed it recognised that NI was, and still is, part of the UK. The GFA also detailed the situation when a unification ref could be called.
The two aren't incompatible. |
Surely the fundamental issue is British people reclassifying themselves as another nationality. | |
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 10:42 - Feb 12 with 821 views | jackrmee |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 10:07 - Feb 12 by onehunglow |
Surely the fundamental issue is British people reclassifying themselves as another nationality. |
Isn’t that possible with any nationality though?
I mean, if i go live in Spain for 30 years, surely I can then repatriate? |  |
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 15:02 - Feb 12 with 776 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 10:07 - Feb 12 by onehunglow |
Surely the fundamental issue is British people reclassifying themselves as another nationality. |
It was all agreed in 1999.
It’s why there has been 20 years of relative peace since.
Every people have a right to self determination as per the UN Charter.
I have no idea why anyone is getting excited by 20 year old news.
The people will decide and thats a good thing.
The people are not bound by the past, and they are not in jail. | |
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 17:54 - Feb 12 with 756 views | onehunglow |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 10:42 - Feb 12 by jackrmee |
Isn’t that possible with any nationality though?
I mean, if i go live in Spain for 30 years, surely I can then repatriate? |
If you are welsh,would you re identify as English ? | |
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 18:19 - Feb 12 with 748 views | felixstowe_jack |
Currently when polled on the future of Ni the results were
Devolved Government 35%
Irish reunification 31%
Direct rule 16%
Independence 10%
Don't know 8% | |
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 18:39 - Feb 12 with 744 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 15:02 - Feb 12 by Kilkennyjack |
It was all agreed in 1999.
It’s why there has been 20 years of relative peace since.
Every people have a right to self determination as per the UN Charter.
I have no idea why anyone is getting excited by 20 year old news.
The people will decide and thats a good thing.
The people are not bound by the past, and they are not in jail. |
Kilky, they are very much bound by their past, the peace walls, the murals, hundreds of years of sectarianism that still exists today.
You'll never understand becus you can't understand that peoples history defines who they are, that's why it (at least in part) defines their future. Until they can put that past to one side and take a different road nothing will change.
On the subject of a united Ireland, personally I welcome it, let them go. The ROI will suddenly have to fund everything in the North that the UK does and the 10.6 billions that the Uk used to give them can be used on the remaining members of the Union, or put towards paying off the massive debt our totaly clueless politicians have run up this last 25 years. | | | |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 19:56 - Feb 12 with 718 views | Boundy |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 18:39 - Feb 12 by SullutaCreturned |
Kilky, they are very much bound by their past, the peace walls, the murals, hundreds of years of sectarianism that still exists today.
You'll never understand becus you can't understand that peoples history defines who they are, that's why it (at least in part) defines their future. Until they can put that past to one side and take a different road nothing will change.
On the subject of a united Ireland, personally I welcome it, let them go. The ROI will suddenly have to fund everything in the North that the UK does and the 10.6 billions that the Uk used to give them can be used on the remaining members of the Union, or put towards paying off the massive debt our totaly clueless politicians have run up this last 25 years. |
But there in is the problem so many unionists would rather take up arms than align themselves with the republic .You cannot rewrite nor ignore recent history and the Union Flag will still be flying along the Shankill ,Springmartin etc for many years to come despite some wishing the whole lot would disappear into the Irish sea. | |
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 20:49 - Feb 12 with 709 views | onehunglow |
Nobody should far has answered the key question and key it is,
Are Britishnpeople going to change their nationality and see their religion marginalised and see a head of state rather than a monarch
This cannot be answered IMO because ,in honesty ,people realise they won’t and a “ united” Irelandcis only a wet dream for republicans Irish .
That simple
That dangerous
It ain’t worth it | |
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 21:48 - Feb 12 with 685 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 20:49 - Feb 12 by onehunglow |
Nobody should far has answered the key question and key it is,
Are Britishnpeople going to change their nationality and see their religion marginalised and see a head of state rather than a monarch
This cannot be answered IMO because ,in honesty ,people realise they won’t and a “ united” Irelandcis only a wet dream for republicans Irish .
That simple
That dangerous
It ain’t worth it |
Half of them never considered themselves British.
Britain threatened Ireland with a terrible war unless it agreed to partition.
Its a made up statelet on the island of Ireland.
Its only 100 years old.
The people in the north of Ireland will vote and decide.
Only a minority in the uk want a monarch, let alone Ireland.
Happy to have a vote on it.
Of course the people can chose their own future, thats a given.
They are not in jail. | |
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 21:51 - Feb 12 with 682 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 18:19 - Feb 12 by felixstowe_jack |
Currently when polled on the future of Ni the results were
Devolved Government 35%
Irish reunification 31%
Direct rule 16%
Independence 10%
Don't know 8% |
Only 16% want London rule.
The union is dead, killed by Brexit. | |
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 23:05 - Feb 12 with 673 views | onehunglow |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 21:48 - Feb 12 by Kilkennyjack |
Half of them never considered themselves British.
Britain threatened Ireland with a terrible war unless it agreed to partition.
Its a made up statelet on the island of Ireland.
Its only 100 years old.
The people in the north of Ireland will vote and decide.
Only a minority in the uk want a monarch, let alone Ireland.
Happy to have a vote on it.
Of course the people can chose their own future, thats a given.
They are not in jail. |
Facts are facts
Majority in the north identify as Zbritusit says do on their passports
Are they to javck them in for an Irish one
Straight question as was the one about Welsh people being forced to become English citizens
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 08:15 - Feb 13 with 651 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 21:51 - Feb 12 by Kilkennyjack |
Only 16% want London rule.
The union is dead, killed by Brexit. |
Once again you unable to understand simple facts
51% want to remain in the United Kingdom either with devolution or direct rule.
31% want Irish reunification.
10 % want independence. | |
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 08:19 - Feb 13 with 650 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 20:49 - Feb 12 by onehunglow |
Nobody should far has answered the key question and key it is,
Are Britishnpeople going to change their nationality and see their religion marginalised and see a head of state rather than a monarch
This cannot be answered IMO because ,in honesty ,people realise they won’t and a “ united” Irelandcis only a wet dream for republicans Irish .
That simple
That dangerous
It ain’t worth it |
The peole of NI already have dual nationality.
They can by choice either hold a UK passport or an Irish passport. Some of the Republican community hold Irish Passport but prefer to live in NI rather than live in the Republic. | |
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 08:41 - Feb 13 with 644 views | onehunglow |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 08:19 - Feb 13 by felixstowe_jack |
The peole of NI already have dual nationality.
They can by choice either hold a UK passport or an Irish passport. Some of the Republican community hold Irish Passport but prefer to live in NI rather than live in the Republic. |
And if it becomes one country … | |
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 16:10 - Feb 13 with 608 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 08:41 - Feb 13 by onehunglow |
And if it becomes one country … |
They will still have dual nationality. Can't see any independence agreement between the ROI and the UK being made without guaranteeing the rights of the people who wish to remain British and giving them the rights to either remain in Ulster or move to the UK.
Wonder if ROI will take over NI share of the UK national debt. £67 billion as well as guaranteeing to pay all NI benefits, unemployment, pensions etc. | |
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 20:13 - Feb 13 with 573 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 21:48 - Feb 12 by Kilkennyjack |
Half of them never considered themselves British.
Britain threatened Ireland with a terrible war unless it agreed to partition.
Its a made up statelet on the island of Ireland.
Its only 100 years old.
The people in the north of Ireland will vote and decide.
Only a minority in the uk want a monarch, let alone Ireland.
Happy to have a vote on it.
Of course the people can chose their own future, thats a given.
They are not in jail. |
Can you name me a country/state that isn't made up? You keep using that term, do you understand anything?
There are countries in the world that are younger, South Sudan was recognised in 2011.
What if the ROI have their own vote and decide they don't want to unite? | | | |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 20:15 - Feb 13 with 572 views | majorraglan |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 16:10 - Feb 13 by felixstowe_jack |
They will still have dual nationality. Can't see any independence agreement between the ROI and the UK being made without guaranteeing the rights of the people who wish to remain British and giving them the rights to either remain in Ulster or move to the UK.
Wonder if ROI will take over NI share of the UK national debt. £67 billion as well as guaranteeing to pay all NI benefits, unemployment, pensions etc. |
At the current time, anyone who has an Irish grandparent can apply for an Irish passport, and in some circumstances this right can be extended down to great grandchildren. Lots of “Brits” with Irish ancestry, but who have never had a ROI passport are now applying for ROI passports as having an EU passport is a big plus.
I see no reason why, in the event of there being a move towards reunification we couldn’t introduce a similar arrangements here preserving access to British passports. | | | |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 20:36 - Feb 13 with 565 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 08:19 - Feb 13 by felixstowe_jack |
The peole of NI already have dual nationality.
They can by choice either hold a UK passport or an Irish passport. Some of the Republican community hold Irish Passport but prefer to live in NI rather than live in the Republic. |
They can both. Or none. | |
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| Irish Unification Referendum on 20:41 - Feb 13 with 560 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Irish Unification Referendum on 21:51 - Feb 12 by Kilkennyjack |
Only 16% want London rule.
The union is dead, killed by Brexit. |
Remind me again, when did the "troubles" start in Ireland?
I didn't realise Brexit had caused it all. Maybe because it didn't. | | | |
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