| Drakeford on 23:53 - Jan 12 with 1802 views | majorraglan |
| Drakeford on 17:09 - Jan 12 by SullutaCreturned |
If only we had some kind of database that has all the information about how much people earn and how much tax they pay so we could refer to it, maybe we need a new government department, lets call it HMRC and have them start charging taxes...
Sorry for the sarcasm. |
We also have Data Protection, GDPR which will, under a lot of circumstances prevent the sharing of information. Very unlikely HMRC would be allowed to share this information. [Post edited 13 Jan 2023 0:08]
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| Drakeford on 23:59 - Jan 12 with 1796 views | majorraglan |
| Drakeford on 17:03 - Jan 12 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Nah. The energy support was done within months a bit like furlough, the free prescription nonsense has been going on for years. It would be quite simple to set up a process similar to the one in England that identifies those entitled to free prescriptions and those not. |
Nah, your initial post only made reference to “those on the top rate of tax” and not those entitled to free prescriptions. I know quite a few people who work and pay tax, and have a number of medical ailments, who are struggling to make ends meet - the free prescriptions make a difference. | | | |
| Drakeford on 00:07 - Jan 13 with 1788 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Drakeford on 23:59 - Jan 12 by majorraglan |
Nah, your initial post only made reference to “those on the top rate of tax” and not those entitled to free prescriptions. I know quite a few people who work and pay tax, and have a number of medical ailments, who are struggling to make ends meet - the free prescriptions make a difference. |
What I'm saying is that it is possible to identify the top tax earners using the system they use on England where free prescriptions are in part linked to income, not necessarily to use the same criteria as England |  |
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| Drakeford on 06:41 - Jan 13 with 1717 views | BryanSwan |
| Drakeford on 22:25 - Jan 12 by Scotia |
All I'm calling for is a move to the same system as in England.
Most people should not have free prescriptions. Even if you only earn £15k, that's enough to make a contribution towards your medicine if it's something you occasionally need. |
£15k is enough to make a contribution, try asking someone how much of their 15k annual salary is left arfter rent, bills, childcare etc I'd suggest their reaponse would be next to nothing.
There should be a line on when people contribute but it shouldnt be one that disadvantages or provides a barrier to healthcare for those on low wages. | |
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| Drakeford on 06:44 - Jan 13 with 1717 views | Scotia |
There's a cut off point of £50k. Earn over that and you don't get it.
Does someone who earns £49.9k need an extra £20 a week to bring up their own child? I don't think so.
I'd suggest that cut off point is at least £20k too high. | | | |
| Drakeford on 07:13 - Jan 13 with 1698 views | Dr_Winston |
| Drakeford on 06:44 - Jan 13 by Scotia |
There's a cut off point of £50k. Earn over that and you don't get it.
Does someone who earns £49.9k need an extra £20 a week to bring up their own child? I don't think so.
I'd suggest that cut off point is at least £20k too high. |
Depends.
A single person with three kids might earn £30k. Wouldn't fancy running a house, car and raising three children on about £1900 a month take home. |  |
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| Drakeford on 07:18 - Jan 13 with 1694 views | Gwyn737 |
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| Drakeford on 08:08 - Jan 13 with 1678 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Drakeford on 07:13 - Jan 13 by Dr_Winston |
Depends.
A single person with three kids might earn £30k. Wouldn't fancy running a house, car and raising three children on about £1900 a month take home. |
Yes, housing costs and wages vary across the country. And as you say circumstances are at the heart of this. Two people with no kids earning £11 per hour have a combined monthly take home of £3,070 which is a different situation to the one you outline. | |
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| Drakeford on 16:23 - Jan 13 with 1555 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Drakeford on 23:53 - Jan 12 by majorraglan |
We also have Data Protection, GDPR which will, under a lot of circumstances prevent the sharing of information. Very unlikely HMRC would be allowed to share this information. [Post edited 13 Jan 2023 0:08]
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The functions of the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) and those of HMRC often depend on a common interest in the same information. In particular the two departments overlap when dealing with National Insurance Contributions (NICs), tax credit applicants, social security benefit claimants and pension credit claimants.
https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/department-for-work-pensions/about/p
Section 127 of the Welfare Reform
Act 2012 is designed to enable reciprocal sharing of HMRC and DWP
information for both Departments’ respective functions. When we disclose
information to DWP, they take on responsibility for ensuring that it is
handled properly.
So there you have it, the HMRC and DWP already share our information including tax information. Not so unlikely eh? | | | |
| Drakeford on 20:21 - Jan 13 with 1497 views | majorraglan |
| Drakeford on 16:23 - Jan 13 by SullutaCreturned |
The functions of the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) and those of HMRC often depend on a common interest in the same information. In particular the two departments overlap when dealing with National Insurance Contributions (NICs), tax credit applicants, social security benefit claimants and pension credit claimants.
https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/department-for-work-pensions/about/p
Section 127 of the Welfare Reform
Act 2012 is designed to enable reciprocal sharing of HMRC and DWP
information for both Departments’ respective functions. When we disclose
information to DWP, they take on responsibility for ensuring that it is
handled properly.
So there you have it, the HMRC and DWP already share our information including tax information. Not so unlikely eh? |
There is a small overlap with welfare, but not to society in general or the Welsh Government or the NHS. They won’t share data. | | | |
| Drakeford on 20:31 - Jan 13 with 1479 views | Boundy |
| Drakeford on 20:21 - Jan 13 by majorraglan |
There is a small overlap with welfare, but not to society in general or the Welsh Government or the NHS. They won’t share data. |
won't or can't? | |
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| Drakeford on 20:42 - Jan 13 with 1468 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Drakeford on 20:21 - Jan 13 by majorraglan |
There is a small overlap with welfare, but not to society in general or the Welsh Government or the NHS. They won’t share data. |
But they do share data and there are a lot of people in the welfare and pensions systems too. The fact is they CAN share data, it is entirely legal and possible. | | | |
| Drakeford on 20:51 - Jan 13 with 1464 views | Dr_Winston |
HMRC income data is routinely shared with DWP for Universal Credit claimants.
Previously people had to declare their earnings. Now it's done automatically. It's an advantage over the previous Tax Credit system as entitlement can be calculated on an ongoing basis as opposed to annually, which often resulted in significant over/under payments.
And I'm not telling tales out of school here, but tax inspectors and DWP Fraud investigators can see basically anything they deem necessary if the justification is there. [Post edited 13 Jan 2023 20:55]
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| Drakeford on 21:29 - Jan 13 with 1429 views | Badgeman |
| Drakeford on 18:01 - Jan 12 by Scotia |
If you work you pay. It should be as simple as that.
But it's the free school meals that really get me, imagine how much that must cost? And every primary school child will get one every day.
I'm glad I'm not paying the increased school fuel and grocery bill, oh wait I am. |
Why are you so desperate for kids to go hungry? |  |
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| Drakeford on 21:34 - Jan 13 with 1425 views | majorraglan |
| Drakeford on 20:42 - Jan 13 by SullutaCreturned |
But they do share data and there are a lot of people in the welfare and pensions systems too. The fact is they CAN share data, it is entirely legal and possible. |
They can share data under certain circumstances, but they won’t share it with the NHS or WG re prescriptions. | | | |
| Drakeford on 19:16 - Mar 11 with 1168 views | felixstowe_jack |
Drakeford had returned to public life after his recent bereavement.
At the WELSH Labour Party conference he calls on UK Labour leader Starmer to change the UK election system to proportional representation. Does the man understand democracy. He is member of the Senedd not Westminster. He also ignores the democratic decisions of the UK voters, who in 2011 referendum, voted 68% to 32% not to change the UK voting system.
How out of touch can a politician be. He argues it is not fair that the Conservatives who won the most voted in the 2019 general election are in power despite getting the most votes, 43.6% of the vote. Meanwhile he thinks it is okay for Labour to be in power with 39.9% in the 2021 Senedd election.
Time for Drakeford to follow Nicola's lead and step down. | |
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| Drakeford on 22:02 - Mar 11 with 1111 views | Whiterockin |
| Drakeford on 19:16 - Mar 11 by felixstowe_jack |
Drakeford had returned to public life after his recent bereavement.
At the WELSH Labour Party conference he calls on UK Labour leader Starmer to change the UK election system to proportional representation. Does the man understand democracy. He is member of the Senedd not Westminster. He also ignores the democratic decisions of the UK voters, who in 2011 referendum, voted 68% to 32% not to change the UK voting system.
How out of touch can a politician be. He argues it is not fair that the Conservatives who won the most voted in the 2019 general election are in power despite getting the most votes, 43.6% of the vote. Meanwhile he thinks it is okay for Labour to be in power with 39.9% in the 2021 Senedd election.
Time for Drakeford to follow Nicola's lead and step down. |
I fully understand his wish to immerse himself in work at this time, I wish him well, even though I am probably his biggest critic. |  | | |
| Drakeford on 22:45 - Mar 11 with 1081 views | max936 |
| Drakeford on 19:16 - Mar 11 by felixstowe_jack |
Drakeford had returned to public life after his recent bereavement.
At the WELSH Labour Party conference he calls on UK Labour leader Starmer to change the UK election system to proportional representation. Does the man understand democracy. He is member of the Senedd not Westminster. He also ignores the democratic decisions of the UK voters, who in 2011 referendum, voted 68% to 32% not to change the UK voting system.
How out of touch can a politician be. He argues it is not fair that the Conservatives who won the most voted in the 2019 general election are in power despite getting the most votes, 43.6% of the vote. Meanwhile he thinks it is okay for Labour to be in power with 39.9% in the 2021 Senedd election.
Time for Drakeford to follow Nicola's lead and step down. |
And then what, put a corrupt, fraudulent, lying member of Sunak's party in his place. |  |
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| Drakeford on 07:42 - Mar 12 with 1005 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Drakeford on 22:45 - Mar 11 by max936 |
And then what, put a corrupt, fraudulent, lying member of Sunak's party in his place. |
Drakeford is labour so he would be replaced by a labour MS.
I know you left wing but how would he be replaced by a someone from a different party? Do you not know how the Senedd works? | |
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| Drakeford on 08:44 - Mar 12 with 985 views | Whiterockin |
| Drakeford on 07:42 - Mar 12 by felixstowe_jack |
Drakeford is labour so he would be replaced by a labour MS.
I know you left wing but how would he be replaced by a someone from a different party? Do you not know how the Senedd works? |
He was intending to go this year, I think recent events will mean he stays on longer. | | | |
| Drakeford on 12:11 - Mar 12 with 945 views | felixstowe_jack |
Latest policy to come out of Labour's Welsh conference is "AntiRacistWales Action Plan " They intend to remove all statues of historical figures and cancel the works of classic Authors. No doubt they will also burn books they think are inappropriate just like the NAZI. Wonder what Gary will say. | |
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| Drakeford on 13:18 - Mar 12 with 928 views | Boundy |
| Drakeford on 00:07 - Jan 13 by JACKMANANDBOY |
What I'm saying is that it is possible to identify the top tax earners using the system they use on England where free prescriptions are in part linked to income, not necessarily to use the same criteria as England |
The tax /benifit systems are both set up to identify both low & high earners ., you're means tested for benifits and your tax code alloawnaces are based on your earnings, so I really can't see why it would be difficult to filter out those who can pay and those that can't . When my kids were small the only benifits I ever received was the family allowance and I was the only earner but just over the threshold to claim anything else | |
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| Drakeford on 09:22 - Apr 17 with 700 views | Boundy |
Everything this inept shower of second rate politicians does is summed up with this statement "A Welsh Government spokesman said: “We are working with the local authority to establish whether any properties along the route are suitable for social housing schemes. If a property is not considered suitable for housing If so, we will consider selling them.”
They really are beyond parody , with a housing crisis in this country along with the welcome mat laid out to all and sundry why not sell them back to housing associations etc but is that too difficult to consider, Just how much more money is this so called government be allowed to waste before being held o account | |
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