| London Lisa 16:18 - Mar 22 with 4424 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Written a terrific post on Swansea’s second forum. We have had our disagreements in the past but will always give credit when and where it’s due.
A thoroughly excellent read and agree with every word. Not sure how anyone could argue.
I’m sure she (or anyone else) won’t mind me posting it on here as a discussion point.
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“I genuinely think people are watching a different game to me.
Firstly, Cooper didn’t play hoof ball. And as for turgid, imagine that match we’ve just endured with zero crowd noise and atmosphere and then talk boring.
Secondly we don’t at present ‘play football’. We aimlessly pass it back and forth with almost no movement and no pace (although it can look pleasant) until we reach the half way line, where we suffer vertigo and have no idea whatsoever what to do. At this point, Wolf or Christie will almost always lose the ball, the team we are playing breaks relatively quickly and we realise we are quite hopelessly out of position, overloaded at the back, and reliant on the fact that the majority of championship teams can’t finish very well (see Birmingham as an example of this).
Almost all of our actual goals come from longer or quicker balls, played instead of the Martin recycle of the sake of it mantra.
The system we employ is designed to both overload in attack and overload in defence, resulting in rapid recovery of the ball where we lose possession and dominant attack. Liverpool don’t play it. Man City do. When Man City play it often looks like they have more players on the pitch than the other team. It’s because of the system. Liverpool are more similar to Martinez, Rodgers, Laudrup etc.
But this system , relies on several pieces being in place for it to work.
One is wing backs who are genuinely attackers when we attack and defenders when we defend. What we have is attackers who aren’t as fast and skilful as proper wingers would be, yet who lack the pace to recover and defend when necessary, so the worst of both worlds.
It also relies on central midfielders who switch play quickly from back to front and from side to side. Man City do it well because they have De Bruyne amongst others. We have Grimes as our number one. Who only has one foot and has the turning circle of a Range Rover so can’t do what is needed quickly enough. Allowing the other team to recover and the attacking overload to disappear.
You also need centre backs who are athletic enough to cover side to side in the absence of full backs, are strong enough or have sufficient anticipation to prevent the aerial threat in the presence of a tall opposition striker, yet are able to play to the extent that one or other breaks the line as part of the attacking overload depending on what side it is or whether we have split further up the pitch to allow the central player to advance. We don’t have that. We have full backs as holding players, centre backs as wider players and no one with an ounce of pace. And our keeper at present doesn’t seem strong enough either for the system.
Instead of attacking and defensive overloading we lose the attacking overload because we are so bloody slow and yet are out of position to the extent that our players are not athletic or fast enough to create the defensive overload. In fact, it’s so bad it creates a defensive deficit for us.
It’s not rocket science, it’s completely obvious what we are trying to do, and even more obvious why we don’t have the ability to make it work. The fact that Martin won’t accept that, and seems to think it’s a tactic so clever that any players can make it work is ridiculous.
Our play is predictable and boring the vast majority of the time. Unless we discover a hidden gem or four in our youth or for relatively minimal transfer fees, we will never get it to work without significant amendment. Martinez, Rodgers etc created the overload by fast movement of players and ball, creating an overload by use of triangles where one player could be part of three triangles at a time, left side, right side and forward spot with the other players doing the same thing. It meant we always had an available out. The beauty of that is it didn’t rely on raw athleticism, but instead quick thinking, positional sense and quick feet. Easier to find smart players who maybe smaller or less naturally athletic than others, but who could fit in to our system. Also cheaper as too many teams look for the same athletic attributes so may discard smaller or less athletic players even if they have the quicker brain.
Anyway, that all a bit rambling way of saying that Martin will either change his approach or will continue doing badly.
And I’ve been watching us since 1976 so don’t bother with the whole ‘you’ve obviously just been watching us for two minutes’ nonsense.
Finally, I do wish people would stop saying our history shows us to be ‘x’ level. That was before we spent 7 years earning the best part of a billion quid playing in the premier league at the height of its earning power with very little to show for it (as a club that is - a few have quite a bit to show for it).”
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Bravo Lisa, one of the best analytical posts I think I have read on these forums 👠[Post edited 22 Mar 2022 16:20]
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| London Lisa on 23:22 - Mar 23 with 589 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| London Lisa on 23:19 - Mar 23 by STID2017 |
Whatever matey.
I was listening to Simon Jordan this morning on Talkshite and for a while I was thinking who does this arrogant, up his own Harris, know it all remind me of ?
Then I remembered it was the great blunder from down under  |
''Whatever'' 
The great historic retort of the inflicted. | |
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| London Lisa on 23:39 - Mar 23 with 558 views | STID2017 |
| London Lisa on 23:22 - Mar 23 by Dr_Parnassus |
''Whatever''
The great historic retort of the inflicted. |
I can take that.
Clearly you accept being compared to that great font of knows nothing, the arrogance that is Simon Jordan ?
Glad to hear it, as he thinks he knows it all as well, but in fact knows the sum total of naff all.
Think you been down under too long, ya flamin' galah |  |
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| London Lisa on 23:44 - Mar 23 with 554 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| London Lisa on 23:39 - Mar 23 by STID2017 |
I can take that.
Clearly you accept being compared to that great font of knows nothing, the arrogance that is Simon Jordan ?
Glad to hear it, as he thinks he knows it all as well, but in fact knows the sum total of naff all.
Think you been down under too long, ya flamin' galah |
Well Simon Jordan's views are often incorrect. Demonstrably, and often by me.
Happy for you to show me where mine are...  | |
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| London Lisa on 23:48 - Mar 23 with 550 views | STID2017 |
| London Lisa on 23:44 - Mar 23 by Dr_Parnassus |
Well Simon Jordan's views are often incorrect. Demonstrably, and often by me.
Happy for you to show me where mine are... |
Yours are all over here matey.
As you say, his views are often wrong.
Many have witnessed where yours are wrong - except your arrogance wont admit it. | |
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| London Lisa on 23:50 - Mar 23 with 545 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| London Lisa on 23:48 - Mar 23 by STID2017 |
Yours are all over here matey.
As you say, his views are often wrong.
Many have witnessed where yours are wrong - except your arrogance wont admit it. |
Again, feel free to tell me where.
I would be fascinated to see.
''Many have witnessed'' is just a nonsense cop out. Akin to ''If you don't know then I am not going to tell you''
Sh*t or get off the pot is the saying isn't it. | |
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| London Lisa on 00:02 - Mar 24 with 529 views | STID2017 |
| London Lisa on 23:50 - Mar 23 by Dr_Parnassus |
Again, feel free to tell me where.
I would be fascinated to see.
''Many have witnessed'' is just a nonsense cop out. Akin to ''If you don't know then I am not going to tell you''
Sh*t or get off the pot is the saying isn't it. |
Never heard of that one - must be an Oz thing.
Not a cop out.
Told you before though - you are not a schoolteacher to whom examples must be presented.
You're just another poster.
An arrogant one at that | |
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| London Lisa on 00:04 - Mar 24 with 528 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| London Lisa on 00:02 - Mar 24 by STID2017 |
Never heard of that one - must be an Oz thing.
Not a cop out.
Told you before though - you are not a schoolteacher to whom examples must be presented.
You're just another poster.
An arrogant one at that |
So no examples then?
I shall remain arrogant and correct then.  | |
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| London Lisa on 00:10 - Mar 24 with 527 views | STID2017 |
| London Lisa on 00:04 - Mar 24 by Dr_Parnassus |
So no examples then?
I shall remain arrogant and correct then. |
"So no examples then?
I shall remain arrogant and incorrect then "
Just edited your mistake there.
No need to thank me ... | |
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| London Lisa on 00:14 - Mar 24 with 526 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| London Lisa on 00:10 - Mar 24 by STID2017 |
"So no examples then?
I shall remain arrogant and incorrect then "
Just edited your mistake there.
No need to thank me ... |
If it is a mistake then you would need to show me where my views are often incorrect, as opposed to... you know, obviously being correct. | |
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| London Lisa on 00:24 - Mar 24 with 521 views | STID2017 |
| London Lisa on 00:14 - Mar 24 by Dr_Parnassus |
If it is a mistake then you would need to show me where my views are often incorrect, as opposed to... you know, obviously being correct. |
As I have made clear no examples will be shown as I left uni a while ago.
You are just a poster ( and an arrogant one at that ) so stop acting like a college lecturer.
Good boy | |
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| London Lisa on 00:29 - Mar 24 with 514 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| London Lisa on 00:24 - Mar 24 by STID2017 |
As I have made clear no examples will be shown as I left uni a while ago.
You are just a poster ( and an arrogant one at that ) so stop acting like a college lecturer.
Good boy |
No examples will be shown as you don't have any
Add this to the pile of STID nonsense Maureen. | |
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