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* Jamie McCart, StJohnstone defender is making his mind up between five championship clubs including Swansea. Transfer possibly depends on Joel Latibeaudiere going out on loan.
* Kyle Joseph to leave the swans on loan once clauses for a return / call back are agreed.
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| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 13:53 - Aug 31 with 2629 views | vetchonian |
| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 13:45 - Aug 31 by Algorfajack |
Looks as though Martin is going to be shafted regarding transfers just as other Swansea managers have been. |
wouldnt be surprised to see a couple of crocked Yanks arrive |  |
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| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 13:56 - Aug 31 with 2591 views | jackrmee |
| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 13:53 - Aug 31 by vetchonian |
wouldnt be surprised to see a couple of crocked Yanks arrive |
You used to be such a good poster. I used to read your posts and agree with almost all of it. Reminded me of the insightful posts of The Rock.
Have you sold your username to one of the ParnASSus crew? |  |
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| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 13:58 - Aug 31 with 2583 views | Chief |
| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 13:51 - Aug 31 by Catullus |
How many goals did Lowe score before coming here? Was he prolific at Wigan? Not really, it was 6 in 48 games there.
This losing goals stuff, I always wonder why people say it. What Lowe scored last season is irrelevant now, unless he can guarantee at least as many again it's a nonsense phrase. So far this season Piroe has looked the better striker. For large chunks last season Lowe looked like his banjo couldn't find the cows arse! |
But the fact remains, in the division we are playing in this season, Lowe scored 14 in last season.
I'll repeated I wasn't advocating any either or argument between him and Piroe. But it should act as an eye opener as to how short on goals our forward is. |  |
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| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 13:59 - Aug 31 with 2569 views | Chief |
| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 13:52 - Aug 31 by jackrmee |
I'm very optimistic.
After all the rigmarole around the #9 shirt, I can't see us starting the season with it still spare |
Fair play to you. It's 2pm, we'll see how it goes. | |
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| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 14:03 - Aug 31 with 2540 views | jackrmee |
| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 13:59 - Aug 31 by Chief |
Fair play to you. It's 2pm, we'll see how it goes. |
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| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 14:25 - Aug 31 with 2399 views | vetchonian |
| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 13:56 - Aug 31 by jackrmee |
You used to be such a good poster. I used to read your posts and agree with almost all of it. Reminded me of the insightful posts of The Rock.
Have you sold your username to one of the ParnASSus crew? |
Its all about opinions really this post was a tongue in cheek reply to a post about Martin being shafted....
THe issue as I see it is that when Martin's start is being questioned along with the wole shambles that seems to be occuring around the club these days it is seen as pro Cooper worship.
All the Doc is doing is trying to offer an anopinion but with some data...For me I will always support the manager but when things are not right I will say so
It "amuses" and frustrates me that the previous manager received so much stick whilst the new manager is "guilty " of the same things yet is not to be criticised?
He openly admits he is a "one trick pony" therefore his play will be predictable and there fore allow opposition managers to set up accordingly , he has refused to play Whittaker our previous manager was pilloried for this.
But before I am accused again of being a Cooper fan boy the point I am tryin gto make is how "one eyed" it all seems.....Cooper was open game but when "sensible" points are raised the posters are shouted down. I really hope MArtin succeeds I am concerned though because whilst he is attempting to change style of play without perhaps the right players defending of set pieces is constant and we proved to be good at that over the past two seasons yet somwhow now?
I do not buy into getting relagetd if it is part of a reset....we wont get back out Lg1....things are different now our current owners do not have the "love of the club and the beautiful" game our previous ones did....they are here purely for the money....that means being in the PL that means results getting relegated will spell disaster for us as a club.
As I have pointed out MArtinez had a head start he knew the squads capabilities and what it was he could/ needed to do to implement his vision whilst along the way then recruiting those to evolve it...MArtin has come in and attempted to impose his style regardless of teh resources available | |
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| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 14:34 - Aug 31 with 2319 views | jackrmee |
| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 14:25 - Aug 31 by vetchonian |
Its all about opinions really this post was a tongue in cheek reply to a post about Martin being shafted....
THe issue as I see it is that when Martin's start is being questioned along with the wole shambles that seems to be occuring around the club these days it is seen as pro Cooper worship.
All the Doc is doing is trying to offer an anopinion but with some data...For me I will always support the manager but when things are not right I will say so
It "amuses" and frustrates me that the previous manager received so much stick whilst the new manager is "guilty " of the same things yet is not to be criticised?
He openly admits he is a "one trick pony" therefore his play will be predictable and there fore allow opposition managers to set up accordingly , he has refused to play Whittaker our previous manager was pilloried for this.
But before I am accused again of being a Cooper fan boy the point I am tryin gto make is how "one eyed" it all seems.....Cooper was open game but when "sensible" points are raised the posters are shouted down. I really hope MArtin succeeds I am concerned though because whilst he is attempting to change style of play without perhaps the right players defending of set pieces is constant and we proved to be good at that over the past two seasons yet somwhow now?
I do not buy into getting relagetd if it is part of a reset....we wont get back out Lg1....things are different now our current owners do not have the "love of the club and the beautiful" game our previous ones did....they are here purely for the money....that means being in the PL that means results getting relegated will spell disaster for us as a club.
As I have pointed out MArtinez had a head start he knew the squads capabilities and what it was he could/ needed to do to implement his vision whilst along the way then recruiting those to evolve it...MArtin has come in and attempted to impose his style regardless of teh resources available |
Yeah but the previous manager only received stick after 2 seasons. Martin is getting it in the neck after 2 weeks!
They were not guilty of the same things either.
His refusal to play Whittaker may be because he's not ready or capable.
I for one, did not criticise Cooper for not playing him, as I think he looked even less ready last season. Extremely poor for that matter.
Yeah I agree with the set piece thing.
I was gutted when Margytson left. I believe he was the reason we improved so much in that area.
Remember Potter? I think we were the worst at set pieces in the league under him. Margytson comes in and improves. Margytson leaves and it's gone again.
I don't buy into getting relegated wither. I don't think anyone does deep down. But I'm willing for a 17th place finish this season, as long as there is improvement and progression. I said exactly the same when Potter was here.
I would have also accepted that in Cooper's first season as a manager, but wouldn't have been happy with 17th playing poor football though.
OK, Martinez probably did have a headstart, but even more reason to give Martin extra time. | |
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| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 14:47 - Aug 31 with 2230 views | max936 |
| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 14:34 - Aug 31 by jackrmee |
Yeah but the previous manager only received stick after 2 seasons. Martin is getting it in the neck after 2 weeks!
They were not guilty of the same things either.
His refusal to play Whittaker may be because he's not ready or capable.
I for one, did not criticise Cooper for not playing him, as I think he looked even less ready last season. Extremely poor for that matter.
Yeah I agree with the set piece thing.
I was gutted when Margytson left. I believe he was the reason we improved so much in that area.
Remember Potter? I think we were the worst at set pieces in the league under him. Margytson comes in and improves. Margytson leaves and it's gone again.
I don't buy into getting relegated wither. I don't think anyone does deep down. But I'm willing for a 17th place finish this season, as long as there is improvement and progression. I said exactly the same when Potter was here.
I would have also accepted that in Cooper's first season as a manager, but wouldn't have been happy with 17th playing poor football though.
OK, Martinez probably did have a headstart, but even more reason to give Martin extra time. |
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| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 14:59 - Aug 31 with 2120 views | jackrmee |
| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 14:47 - Aug 31 by max936 |
Is grimes still here or gone |
Still here.
I reckon he will be gone though. So I won't be crying when it happens. I've been ready for it for weeks. | |
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| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 15:07 - Aug 31 with 2068 views | jasper_T |
| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 14:59 - Aug 31 by jackrmee |
Still here.
I reckon he will be gone though. So I won't be crying when it happens. I've been ready for it for weeks. |
Don't think Fulham are that fussed. List of other targets, were rolling the dice on a cheeky bargain. | | | |
| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 15:08 - Aug 31 with 2028 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 14:34 - Aug 31 by jackrmee |
Yeah but the previous manager only received stick after 2 seasons. Martin is getting it in the neck after 2 weeks!
They were not guilty of the same things either.
His refusal to play Whittaker may be because he's not ready or capable.
I for one, did not criticise Cooper for not playing him, as I think he looked even less ready last season. Extremely poor for that matter.
Yeah I agree with the set piece thing.
I was gutted when Margytson left. I believe he was the reason we improved so much in that area.
Remember Potter? I think we were the worst at set pieces in the league under him. Margytson comes in and improves. Margytson leaves and it's gone again.
I don't buy into getting relegated wither. I don't think anyone does deep down. But I'm willing for a 17th place finish this season, as long as there is improvement and progression. I said exactly the same when Potter was here.
I would have also accepted that in Cooper's first season as a manager, but wouldn't have been happy with 17th playing poor football though.
OK, Martinez probably did have a headstart, but even more reason to give Martin extra time. |
“ Yeah but the previous manager only received stick after 2 seasons. Martin is getting it in the neck after 2 weeks!”
That’s not even close to being true. |  |
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| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 15:14 - Aug 31 with 1973 views | jackrmee |
| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 15:07 - Aug 31 by jasper_T |
Don't think Fulham are that fussed. List of other targets, were rolling the dice on a cheeky bargain. |
I'd be happy for him to stay as well, so either way doesn't matter to me. | |
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| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 15:15 - Aug 31 with 1963 views | jackrmee |
| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 15:08 - Aug 31 by Dr_Parnassus |
“ Yeah but the previous manager only received stick after 2 seasons. Martin is getting it in the neck after 2 weeks!”
That’s not even close to being true. |
Well you know what I mean. He was given a lot more time, even without the decent style. | |
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| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 15:47 - Aug 31 with 1740 views | onehunglow |
Blackburn have now got 3 over the line today.
Nice that | |
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| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 16:44 - Aug 31 with 1428 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 15:15 - Aug 31 by jackrmee |
Well you know what I mean. He was given a lot more time, even without the decent style. |
He wasn’t “given” time, he earned it by winning football matches. We won 7 of our first 8 matches.
People had it in for him after a few weeks. I reckon it may have been the Cardiff connection.
That frustration grew as the results weren’t giving the fans the outlet for anger that they craved. So they invented reasons for it. | |
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| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 16:53 - Aug 31 with 1398 views | vetchonian |
| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 16:44 - Aug 31 by Dr_Parnassus |
He wasn’t “given” time, he earned it by winning football matches. We won 7 of our first 8 matches.
People had it in for him after a few weeks. I reckon it may have been the Cardiff connection.
That frustration grew as the results weren’t giving the fans the outlet for anger that they craved. So they invented reasons for it. |
I also suspect the "dislike" of Cooper was down to his roots..He has gone now but so many myths were created to diss him it is unreal...
Again I ll be attacked as a fanboy but really i just like fairness and facts....IT has made me laugh how the previous manager was much criticised and called out as a one trick pony yet people accpet it when the current manager admits this is what he is a one trickl pony and will only ever play one way.....
I hope for our clubs sake and his sake that Martin turns things around soon...I dont give with seasons to change it ...a good manager should find the compromise and then develop things as Einsten said “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” | |
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| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 17:07 - Aug 31 with 1271 views | dobjack2 |
| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 16:53 - Aug 31 by vetchonian |
I also suspect the "dislike" of Cooper was down to his roots..He has gone now but so many myths were created to diss him it is unreal...
Again I ll be attacked as a fanboy but really i just like fairness and facts....IT has made me laugh how the previous manager was much criticised and called out as a one trick pony yet people accpet it when the current manager admits this is what he is a one trickl pony and will only ever play one way.....
I hope for our clubs sake and his sake that Martin turns things around soon...I dont give with seasons to change it ...a good manager should find the compromise and then develop things as Einsten said “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” |
My dislike of Cooper was nothing to do with his roots or him personally. It was down to the awful quality of the football. The play off final was the final straw. I’ve watched some poor quality stuff in my time but as I get older I would rather watch teams try and play football.
Whether Martin can provide this will depend on what happens today and on the training ground. If the squad are incapable of playing the way he wants and results are poor then he has a decision to make. | | | |
| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 17:08 - Aug 31 with 1264 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 16:53 - Aug 31 by vetchonian |
I also suspect the "dislike" of Cooper was down to his roots..He has gone now but so many myths were created to diss him it is unreal...
Again I ll be attacked as a fanboy but really i just like fairness and facts....IT has made me laugh how the previous manager was much criticised and called out as a one trick pony yet people accpet it when the current manager admits this is what he is a one trickl pony and will only ever play one way.....
I hope for our clubs sake and his sake that Martin turns things around soon...I dont give with seasons to change it ...a good manager should find the compromise and then develop things as Einsten said “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” |
Possession football and accurate passing is not a 'one trick' strategy it is a philosophy. It was starkly demonstrated in Wales capitulation to Denmark in the Euros and Swansea's capitulation to Brentford at Wembley.
Both Welsh teams managed by in house coaches (the Welsh way ha ha) were hopelessly out gunned against the Danish school of coaching. So much so that frustration and demoralisation kicked in with Wilson and Fulton lashing out and getting sent off. Neco Williams and Grimes also had mad moments of self destruction. In both gmes the contst was pretty much over in one half.
Neither Page nor Cooper had any alternative. Coper never even tried route one and knockdowns. (plan B ).
Swansea at least have a strategy and philosophy. Roberts Grimes Lowe and Bidwell have not signed up for the long term so are in their last 10 months. Russell Martin has a long term strategy like Farke had. The 2022-2023 season should see the big benefits where Downes Whittaker Joseph Cabango Benda and Copper B kick on. In that respect the out of contract four are no use to Swansea. |  |
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| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 17:12 - Aug 31 with 1211 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 17:07 - Aug 31 by dobjack2 |
My dislike of Cooper was nothing to do with his roots or him personally. It was down to the awful quality of the football. The play off final was the final straw. I’ve watched some poor quality stuff in my time but as I get older I would rather watch teams try and play football.
Whether Martin can provide this will depend on what happens today and on the training ground. If the squad are incapable of playing the way he wants and results are poor then he has a decision to make. |
The quality was sufficient to get a record points haul for the club in this division. | |
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| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 17:14 - Aug 31 with 1190 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 17:08 - Aug 31 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Possession football and accurate passing is not a 'one trick' strategy it is a philosophy. It was starkly demonstrated in Wales capitulation to Denmark in the Euros and Swansea's capitulation to Brentford at Wembley.
Both Welsh teams managed by in house coaches (the Welsh way ha ha) were hopelessly out gunned against the Danish school of coaching. So much so that frustration and demoralisation kicked in with Wilson and Fulton lashing out and getting sent off. Neco Williams and Grimes also had mad moments of self destruction. In both gmes the contst was pretty much over in one half.
Neither Page nor Cooper had any alternative. Coper never even tried route one and knockdowns. (plan B ).
Swansea at least have a strategy and philosophy. Roberts Grimes Lowe and Bidwell have not signed up for the long term so are in their last 10 months. Russell Martin has a long term strategy like Farke had. The 2022-2023 season should see the big benefits where Downes Whittaker Joseph Cabango Benda and Copper B kick on. In that respect the out of contract four are no use to Swansea. |
Interesting. Sounds good.
Is this philosophy demonstrated by our capitulation at the hands of Preston or Blackburn then? | |
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| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 17:14 - Aug 31 with 1190 views | Sirjohnalot |
| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 16:53 - Aug 31 by vetchonian |
I also suspect the "dislike" of Cooper was down to his roots..He has gone now but so many myths were created to diss him it is unreal...
Again I ll be attacked as a fanboy but really i just like fairness and facts....IT has made me laugh how the previous manager was much criticised and called out as a one trick pony yet people accpet it when the current manager admits this is what he is a one trickl pony and will only ever play one way.....
I hope for our clubs sake and his sake that Martin turns things around soon...I dont give with seasons to change it ...a good manager should find the compromise and then develop things as Einsten said “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” |
Not sure what other people's thoughts are but It made no difference to me where Cooper's roots were from. Unlike the overwhelming number of fans, I have no dislike of Cardiff, and want all Welsh teams to do well, so that had no bearing at all.
My issue with him was the football was incredibly dull, as successful as he was, it was not something I wanted to watch. I would imagine it is infinitely easier to get your teams to play the ultra defensive way that the way in which RM is trying to play. it is going to take a while, he needs to bed in players that are suited to his style, some of which are not here at the moment. It's a long term project which will plummet before it starts to recover and then see, (if he is backed) dividends.
Really have to be patient and see it develop |  | | |
| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 17:15 - Aug 31 with 1183 views | jackrmee |
| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 17:14 - Aug 31 by Dr_Parnassus |
Interesting. Sounds good.
Is this philosophy demonstrated by our capitulation at the hands of Preston or Blackburn then? |
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| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 17:18 - Aug 31 with 1141 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 17:15 - Aug 31 by jackrmee |
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Aye so I hear.
7 games in now… still look as bad as game 1. | |
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| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 17:23 - Aug 31 with 1090 views | JackDragon |
| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 17:18 - Aug 31 by Dr_Parnassus |
Aye so I hear.
7 games in now… still look as bad as game 1. |
Exactly, only 7 games with many extenuating circumstances. Let's hold fire for a couple of months at least. STID | | | |
| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 17:23 - Aug 31 with 1087 views | jackrmee |
| The Transfer latest thread : Rumours & Confirms on 17:18 - Aug 31 by Dr_Parnassus |
Aye so I hear.
7 games in now… still look as bad as game 1. |
Plenty of reasons for that.
At least give the poor guy until after the transfer window closes for christ's sake before baying for his head. | |
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