| Pen Farthing 02:03 - Aug 27 with 3133 views | WalterBoyd |
Anyone else think saving cats and dogs is more important than saving human beings ?
Bizarre and tragic few days in truly awful conditions.
Need to prioritise though surely. |  | | |  |
| Pen Farthing on 19:43 - Aug 28 with 999 views | 1983 |
I'm not lecturing you this is an open forum for discussions and I'll say what I want. Thankfully our families are not in that God awful place and by the way I'm not your mate
Have a nice evening [Post edited 29 Aug 2021 7:58]
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| Pen Farthing on 20:32 - Aug 28 with 965 views | Treforys_Jack |
I dont believe anyone was left behind, purely for Farthing and his animals. It was a private rescue mission. There are some politicians and top brass panicking regarding the fallout from this. If there are still interpreters and families left in the country then the blame is certainly not on 200 animals stored in the hold of a private plane.
My heart goes out to the soldiers holding the line over the last 10days or so, the things they must have seen and the emotions they must feel, shocking. I'm not particularly religious but pray to God they all get out safely. |  | | |
| Pen Farthing on 20:34 - Aug 28 with 964 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Pen Farthing on 19:11 - Aug 28 by Gwyn737 |
I agree it’s only theoretical and we’ll never know if this came at any human cost.
However, I do think that the time used on this could have been better spent. Ministerial time. Parliament time. Civil servant time. Paratrooper time. Media coverage time.
All of this could have been used to save women and children.
As for the vehicles; it depends. If they were military vehicles and if left could have been used by the Taliban then yes, I’d have taken them before the animals too. |
Didn't you know, the Taliban are our partners now, apparently. | | | |
| Pen Farthing on 20:47 - Aug 28 with 958 views | Gwyn737 |
| Pen Farthing on 20:34 - Aug 28 by Treforys_Jack |
Didn't you know, the Taliban are our partners now, apparently. |
Frightening, innit?! | | | |
| Pen Farthing on 20:59 - Aug 28 with 950 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Pen Farthing on 20:47 - Aug 28 by Gwyn737 |
Frightening, innit?! |
100% scary mate | | | |
| Pen Farthing on 00:02 - Aug 29 with 904 views | WalterBoyd |
Mr Tugendhat, who served in Afghanistan, revealed how his former interpreter, who is now stuck in Kabul, asked him: ‘Why is my five-year-old worth less than your dog?
‘I didn’t have an answer,’ he says. | | | |
| Pen Farthing on 00:13 - Aug 29 with 899 views | WalterBoyd |
"A former Royal Marine who founded an animal shelter in Kabul ‘cost lives’ as a result of his mission to evacuate 173 cats and dogs from Afghanistan, senior defence sources said last night". | | | |
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| Pen Farthing on 08:13 - Aug 29 with 856 views | 1983 |
| Pen Farthing on 00:13 - Aug 29 by WalterBoyd |
"A former Royal Marine who founded an animal shelter in Kabul ‘cost lives’ as a result of his mission to evacuate 173 cats and dogs from Afghanistan, senior defence sources said last night". |
Unbelievable! so nothing to do with US and it's allies telling them lies, giving them false hope and then turning their backs on the people that served them. If they "really" wanted these people safe they should have and could have been evacuating these people months and months ago at a steady pace instead of the 11th hour and to say the Taliban took them by surprise is complete b*llshit!
That's like waking up on Christmas Day saying I never knew Christmas was coming. | |
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| Pen Farthing on 08:28 - Aug 29 with 853 views | 1983 |
| Pen Farthing on 00:02 - Aug 29 by WalterBoyd |
Mr Tugendhat, who served in Afghanistan, revealed how his former interpreter, who is now stuck in Kabul, asked him: ‘Why is my five-year-old worth less than your dog?
‘I didn’t have an answer,’ he says. |
Another quote for you from Mr Tugendhat (who left the Army over 8 years ago) who was most probably sat in the comfort of his leafy Surrey home
Mr Tugendhat — described the situation as “the sun setting over some really pretty terrible decisions by the West over a number of years”.
So not really Pen's fault | |
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| Pen Farthing on 09:25 - Aug 29 with 834 views | Gwyn737 |
| Pen Farthing on 08:28 - Aug 29 by 1983 |
Another quote for you from Mr Tugendhat (who left the Army over 8 years ago) who was most probably sat in the comfort of his leafy Surrey home
Mr Tugendhat — described the situation as “the sun setting over some really pretty terrible decisions by the West over a number of years”.
So not really Pen's fault |
By that measure, Biden isn’t to blame for anything and he’s just unfortunate in picking up poor decisions over a number of years. | | | |
| Pen Farthing on 09:44 - Aug 29 with 825 views | 1983 |
| Pen Farthing on 09:25 - Aug 29 by Gwyn737 |
By that measure, Biden isn’t to blame for anything and he’s just unfortunate in picking up poor decisions over a number of years. |
Didn't say he was and If you think Biden calls the shots then you are mislead like most Americans are.
America is and always be a machine no matter who's in power you would have thought they would have learned lessons like Vietnam which ironically was 20 yrs of bloodshed with Russia peaking over the wall again.
I've been luckily enough to travel a lot around the world and actually 99.9% of people are people just like all of us and it's the tiny tiny percentage who don't want you do think that way. [Post edited 29 Aug 2021 9:45]
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| Pen Farthing on 13:55 - Aug 29 with 776 views | Flashberryjack |
| Pen Farthing on 19:43 - Aug 28 by 1983 |
I'm not lecturing you this is an open forum for discussions and I'll say what I want. Thankfully our families are not in that God awful place and by the way I'm not your mate
Have a nice evening [Post edited 29 Aug 2021 7:58]
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"and by the way I'm not your mate"
Apologies, just assumed all swans fans are are mates of a sort, but obviously not, but hey you crack on. |  |
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| Pen Farthing on 14:08 - Aug 29 with 771 views | Catullus |
| Pen Farthing on 09:44 - Aug 29 by 1983 |
Didn't say he was and If you think Biden calls the shots then you are mislead like most Americans are.
America is and always be a machine no matter who's in power you would have thought they would have learned lessons like Vietnam which ironically was 20 yrs of bloodshed with Russia peaking over the wall again.
I've been luckily enough to travel a lot around the world and actually 99.9% of people are people just like all of us and it's the tiny tiny percentage who don't want you do think that way. [Post edited 29 Aug 2021 9:45]
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This unstructured withdrawal was Bidens doing, he had the final say. If he knew months ago he was going to do this then I entirely agree with the previous opinions that he should have been helping those who helped his country and not leaving them for the enemy. No matter what is said, the Taliban are the enemy.
It seems to me Biden has said if they're not actually US citizens then sod them. The troops left to deal with it have done their best but they've been screwed over as well.
There is more going on here than we know about, than we will ever know about but what we do know is pretty distasteful. | |
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| Pen Farthing on 18:03 - Aug 29 with 719 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar |
Another aspect I don't understand - why would workers at an animal rescue charity be eligible for evacuation? Surely it should be reserved for those who helped the British military.
Anyway, the full story is beginning to reveal itself in newspapers today and proves my feelings earlier in the week correct. |  |
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| Pen Farthing on 01:24 - Aug 30 with 655 views | WalterBoyd |
| Pen Farthing on 18:03 - Aug 29 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
Another aspect I don't understand - why would workers at an animal rescue charity be eligible for evacuation? Surely it should be reserved for those who helped the British military.
Anyway, the full story is beginning to reveal itself in newspapers today and proves my feelings earlier in the week correct. |
Good old Pen did threaten anyone who.put human lives before his cats and dogs , with typical animal right threats and bullying.
I am amazed how many people prefer to save cats and dogs ahead of humans ( I own a dog who I walk twice a day and he has treats to ).
If an animal can survive in a 'hold' then a human can.
A sponsored flight, if this can be done for animals then why not humans. Are people putting animals before humans ?
Where does this lunacy end. | | | |
| Pen Farthing on 06:46 - Aug 30 with 627 views | 1983 |
| Pen Farthing on 01:24 - Aug 30 by WalterBoyd |
Good old Pen did threaten anyone who.put human lives before his cats and dogs , with typical animal right threats and bullying.
I am amazed how many people prefer to save cats and dogs ahead of humans ( I own a dog who I walk twice a day and he has treats to ).
If an animal can survive in a 'hold' then a human can.
A sponsored flight, if this can be done for animals then why not humans. Are people putting animals before humans ?
Where does this lunacy end. |
He said armed forces personnel "willingly and voluntarily" helped Mr Farthing load the animals' crates on to the aircraft in Kabul, but extra passengers were not found.
Mr Dyer claimed an appeal was put in to the British Government "to see if we could fill seats with refugees within the airport". "They told us there was no one they could find that could actually fill that aircraft.
"In fact, they had more air capacity than they had people, which probably tells you an awful lot about the final days of the withdrawal from Afghanistan." He added that "all efforts were made to do what we could" but it was "not possible to find anyone", with Mr Farthing loading the animals and leaving "on his own".
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| Pen Farthing on 12:12 - Aug 30 with 589 views | Treforys_Jack |
They probably willingly volunteered because they knew a lot of the dogs and cats belonged to serving servicemen and women, awaiting adoption and transportation to the UK. | | | |
| Pen Farthing on 12:31 - Aug 30 with 584 views | Catullus |
| Pen Farthing on 06:46 - Aug 30 by 1983 |
He said armed forces personnel "willingly and voluntarily" helped Mr Farthing load the animals' crates on to the aircraft in Kabul, but extra passengers were not found.
Mr Dyer claimed an appeal was put in to the British Government "to see if we could fill seats with refugees within the airport". "They told us there was no one they could find that could actually fill that aircraft.
"In fact, they had more air capacity than they had people, which probably tells you an awful lot about the final days of the withdrawal from Afghanistan." He added that "all efforts were made to do what we could" but it was "not possible to find anyone", with Mr Farthing loading the animals and leaving "on his own".
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Isn't the reality there that plenty of people were trying to get into the airport to get onto flights but that they couldn't 'process' the people fast enough so many, many people got left behind.
Otherwise why have I seen on the tv, people who used to work for UK/USA armed forces who are left behind and in fear for they and their families lives? | |
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| Pen Farthing on 12:43 - Aug 30 with 581 views | Treforys_Jack |
Aren't the media great, there is no way a top aides personal interpreter has been left behind because of Farthing as quoted in a few of the dailies. If they are left behind then said aide needs his arse kicked and not be allowed to deflect any blame. | | | |
| Pen Farthing on 12:53 - Aug 30 with 574 views | Catullus |
| Pen Farthing on 12:43 - Aug 30 by Treforys_Jack |
Aren't the media great, there is no way a top aides personal interpreter has been left behind because of Farthing as quoted in a few of the dailies. If they are left behind then said aide needs his arse kicked and not be allowed to deflect any blame. |
That could easily be true, some people will use Farthing as a scapegoat to cover up their uselessness. | |
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| Pen Farthing on 01:28 - Sep 1 with 454 views | WalterBoyd |
Wait for the book, film, breakfast tv
The charity
When you give once they will come calling again and again, usually targetting the gullible and the old.
Free will writing- no kids, yippe, why not give it all to charity.
The old have more money, so will sign up for ever increasing direct debits and the raffle tickets buy 2 this year, 6 next...and so on.
I foresee another scam ( allegedly).
Cats and dogs can survive in conditions humans can't by all accounts. Afghans so desperate they will hang onto
the outside of a plane but not allowed a space inside a plane. | | | |
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