| Electric Cars 20:03 - Jul 25 with 14832 views | onehunglow |
OK then,who's gone the whole way.
Are we ready at forecourts nationwide and at repair shops
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| Electric Cars on 12:11 - Dec 31 with 1335 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Electric Cars on 10:20 - Dec 31 by mangohilljack |
The Fire brigade do NOT carry the tools to put a lithium fire out immediately.
Let that sink in |
You will find all car fires result in the car being written off before the fire brigade arrive.
Some research fugure
Hybrid car fires 3475 per 100,000
Petrol car fires 1529 per 100,000
Ev car fires 25 per 100,000
Petrol and diesel carry large amounts of highly flammable liquid on board, diesel is less inflammable than petrol. They also run hotter than EV and have more moving parts. | |
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| Electric Cars on 12:15 - Dec 31 with 1321 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Electric Cars on 12:11 - Dec 31 by felixstowe_jack |
You will find all car fires result in the car being written off before the fire brigade arrive.
Some research fugure
Hybrid car fires 3475 per 100,000
Petrol car fires 1529 per 100,000
Ev car fires 25 per 100,000
Petrol and diesel carry large amounts of highly flammable liquid on board, diesel is less inflammable than petrol. They also run hotter than EV and have more moving parts. |
Hmmm, a petrol car is more likley o catch fire but an EV fire is more dangerous, it burns a lot hotter and is much harder to put out as the chemicals in the battery need to be used up, it doesn't need the air to burn which is why specialist equipment is needed. | | | |
| Electric Cars on 12:23 - Dec 31 with 1319 views | Whiterockin |
| Electric Cars on 11:47 - Dec 31 by SullutaCreturned |
I have looked and according to Tesla themselves you can get approx 200 miles of charge in about 15 minutes.
It's still not good enough, you can get 600 miles of petrol in 5 minutes and there are nearly always enough pumps so you don't have to queue.
Those batteries are also an ecological night mare, they need replacing at very great cost in about 10 years and are even ore polluting than a current conventional car battery. |
Its worth looking at this.
https://hydraev.co.uk/does-fast-charging-damage-electric-vehicle-batteries/ |  | | |
| Electric Cars on 12:32 - Dec 31 with 1315 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Electric Cars on 12:15 - Dec 31 by SullutaCreturned |
Hmmm, a petrol car is more likley o catch fire but an EV fire is more dangerous, it burns a lot hotter and is much harder to put out as the chemicals in the battery need to be used up, it doesn't need the air to burn which is why specialist equipment is needed. |
Think you will be a lot safer in an EV than a petrol car. Petrol cars are far likely to catch fire in the first place and they can explode. Plenty of time to get out in the unlikely event EVs do catch fire.
Petrol and Desiel cars are 20 more likely than EV to catch fire according to fireservice site. Although 1 in 12 stolen vehicles are deliberately set on fire.
More ebikes and escooters than EV cars have caught fire.
Seems deaths have occurred at home due to ebikes fires while charging indoors due to substandard equipment.
Fortunately highly regulated EVs and chargers do not have this problem. | |
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| Electric Cars on 13:09 - Dec 31 with 1306 views | Dr_Winston |
| Electric Cars on 11:47 - Dec 31 by SullutaCreturned |
I have looked and according to Tesla themselves you can get approx 200 miles of charge in about 15 minutes.
It's still not good enough, you can get 600 miles of petrol in 5 minutes and there are nearly always enough pumps so you don't have to queue.
Those batteries are also an ecological night mare, they need replacing at very great cost in about 10 years and are even ore polluting than a current conventional car battery. |
Your second paragraph is the key point.
EV technology was a stupid road to go down until there are huge leaps in battery performance. |  |
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| Electric Cars on 13:16 - Dec 31 with 1298 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Electric Cars on 13:09 - Dec 31 by Dr_Winston |
Your second paragraph is the key point.
EV technology was a stupid road to go down until there are huge leaps in battery performance. |
How often if ever does anyone make a 600 mile trip in one go?
Even they have to stop to put petrol in.
95% of all journeys are local and charging at home is not a problem. | |
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| Electric Cars on 13:32 - Dec 31 with 1292 views | Dr_Winston |
| Electric Cars on 13:16 - Dec 31 by felixstowe_jack |
How often if ever does anyone make a 600 mile trip in one go?
Even they have to stop to put petrol in.
95% of all journeys are local and charging at home is not a problem. |
And for that 5% of journeys electric vehicles are totally unsuitable. My other half's brother lives near Dundee and travels back and fore between there and Swansea regularly. It's just shy of 500 miles for fans of the Proclaimers. That is not a trip that can be made in an EV.
Notwithstanding the reality that an EV's stated range is often considerably exagerrated by the manufacturer. It might be able to do 300 miles on one charge if you don't open a window, turn the radio on or need your headlights.
Charging at home is simply impossible for a lot of people. I am lucky enough to be able to park right outside my house 99% of the time. My father has to park 50 yards away from his house. How is he supposed to charge an EV?
It's a luxury technology. Completely pointless for the majority of motorists. | |
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| Electric Cars on 14:15 - Dec 31 with 1267 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Electric Cars on 13:16 - Dec 31 by felixstowe_jack |
How often if ever does anyone make a 600 mile trip in one go?
Even they have to stop to put petrol in.
95% of all journeys are local and charging at home is not a problem. |
Lots of people travelthe motirways to watch sport and do a lot more miles than an EV will give you. So you have to find a charger mid way into the trip. Then using a fast charger reduces the life of the battery, damages it and it needs replacing sooner and may even be a greater risk of fire.
Those fast chargers aren't everywhere though and you may have to stop twice at services as they ony allow you 2 hours before charging you to park.
Petrol is quicker and easier. Besides which, I cannot afford an EV, a decent one is well over the 20k mark and I don't even pay half that for my cars. I'll have stopped driving long before I can afford one. | | | |
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| Electric Cars on 13:21 - Jan 1 with 1169 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Electric Cars on 14:15 - Dec 31 by SullutaCreturned |
Lots of people travelthe motirways to watch sport and do a lot more miles than an EV will give you. So you have to find a charger mid way into the trip. Then using a fast charger reduces the life of the battery, damages it and it needs replacing sooner and may even be a greater risk of fire.
Those fast chargers aren't everywhere though and you may have to stop twice at services as they ony allow you 2 hours before charging you to park.
Petrol is quicker and easier. Besides which, I cannot afford an EV, a decent one is well over the 20k mark and I don't even pay half that for my cars. I'll have stopped driving long before I can afford one. |
It never takes 2 hours to charge at a motorway service station. No idea when you got that idea from.
What nonsense to suggest EV catch fire when charging. Much safer than pouring an imflamable liquid like petrol into a car. [Post edited 1 Jan 13:25]
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| Electric Cars on 18:05 - Jan 1 with 1123 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Electric Cars on 13:21 - Jan 1 by felixstowe_jack |
It never takes 2 hours to charge at a motorway service station. No idea when you got that idea from.
What nonsense to suggest EV catch fire when charging. Much safer than pouring an imflamable liquid like petrol into a car. [Post edited 1 Jan 13:25]
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I didn't say catch fire when charging, I said the batteries get damaged and are maybe a greater risk of fire.
Read the part about London,
https://cesafety.co.uk/news/data-reveals-extent-of-electric-vehicle-fires-around
And the wait for charging isn't just about the time on charge, there aren't enough chargers and I have seen eople queuing at the services. You ony get 2 hours so if you have to wait too long, what happens?
It's irrelevant anyway, I cannot guarantee parking outside my house and I cannot afford an EV. Or at least I refuse to pay the price. Why should I pay all that money to save the planet when what the UK does won't save anything? | | | |
| Electric Cars on 18:29 - Jan 1 with 1112 views | KeithHaynes |
| Electric Cars on 18:05 - Jan 1 by SullutaCreturned |
I didn't say catch fire when charging, I said the batteries get damaged and are maybe a greater risk of fire.
Read the part about London,
https://cesafety.co.uk/news/data-reveals-extent-of-electric-vehicle-fires-around
And the wait for charging isn't just about the time on charge, there aren't enough chargers and I have seen eople queuing at the services. You ony get 2 hours so if you have to wait too long, what happens?
It's irrelevant anyway, I cannot guarantee parking outside my house and I cannot afford an EV. Or at least I refuse to pay the price. Why should I pay all that money to save the planet when what the UK does won't save anything? |
Cousin drive down from south London to Haverfordwest two weeks ago.
Had to recharge his car twice and three times on the way back. |  |
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| Electric Cars on 19:44 - Jan 1 with 1093 views | Whiterockin |
| Electric Cars on 18:29 - Jan 1 by KeithHaynes |
Cousin drive down from south London to Haverfordwest two weeks ago.
Had to recharge his car twice and three times on the way back. |
People seem to forget that the battery runs everything. Put on the wipers, lights, aircon for demisting and the radio and your range will drop and that's excluding stop start in traffic. | | | |
| Electric Cars on 08:22 - Jan 2 with 1036 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Electric Cars on 18:29 - Jan 1 by KeithHaynes |
Cousin drive down from south London to Haverfordwest two weeks ago.
Had to recharge his car twice and three times on the way back. |
I regularly drive from Felixstowe to Swansea one charge at Reading services is all I need. | |
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| Electric Cars on 12:43 - Jan 2 with 994 views | Boundy |
| Electric Cars on 08:22 - Jan 2 by felixstowe_jack |
I regularly drive from Felixstowe to Swansea one charge at Reading services is all I need. |
Like men ,not all cars are created equally | |
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| Electric Cars on 17:26 - Jan 3 with 917 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Electric Cars on 08:22 - Jan 2 by felixstowe_jack |
I regularly drive from Felixstowe to Swansea one charge at Reading services is all I need. |
What EV do you have and how much do they cost? How much will your new batteries cost you when yours have run their course? That is another reason I don't like EV's and wouldn't buy a second hand one, if I managed to source a decent Ev for the price I usually pay for my cars (6-7k) it'd prbably be 7-9 years old and the batteries will probably need replacing long before I would normally consider replacing the car and those batteries will cost what, 10k? More than what I'd pay for a car.
In thie rush to save the planet ( well that's what they claim to be doing) they are pricing a large chunk of motorists out of driving. A repacement engine for a petrol car can be found for less than 1k, for an EV 10k? It's nonsense. | | | |
| Electric Cars on 17:48 - Jan 3 with 892 views | Whiterockin |
| Electric Cars on 17:26 - Jan 3 by SullutaCreturned |
What EV do you have and how much do they cost? How much will your new batteries cost you when yours have run their course? That is another reason I don't like EV's and wouldn't buy a second hand one, if I managed to source a decent Ev for the price I usually pay for my cars (6-7k) it'd prbably be 7-9 years old and the batteries will probably need replacing long before I would normally consider replacing the car and those batteries will cost what, 10k? More than what I'd pay for a car.
In thie rush to save the planet ( well that's what they claim to be doing) they are pricing a large chunk of motorists out of driving. A repacement engine for a petrol car can be found for less than 1k, for an EV 10k? It's nonsense. |
The manufacturers claim the batteries will last 10-20 years but will only guarantee them for 6-10 years depending on the manufacturer. I have known the range to drop significantly after 2 years even on a Tesla. Replacements average about £5.500 and a Tesla £6,500 depending on the model. | | | |
| Electric Cars on 19:59 - Jan 3 with 861 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Electric Cars on 17:48 - Jan 3 by Whiterockin |
The manufacturers claim the batteries will last 10-20 years but will only guarantee them for 6-10 years depending on the manufacturer. I have known the range to drop significantly after 2 years even on a Tesla. Replacements average about £5.500 and a Tesla £6,500 depending on the model. |
Manufacturers of petrol cars say their cars will last 20 years but most warranty periods are 2 or 3 years with some offering 5 or 7 years.
Not sure where you got this idea the range of EV drops significantly after 2 years. | |
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| Electric Cars on 20:22 - Jan 3 with 835 views | Whiterockin |
| Electric Cars on 19:59 - Jan 3 by felixstowe_jack |
Manufacturers of petrol cars say their cars will last 20 years but most warranty periods are 2 or 3 years with some offering 5 or 7 years.
Not sure where you got this idea the range of EV drops significantly after 2 years. |
I did not say the range drops on all cars but is known to happen. I have a mate who collects and delivers cars throughout the UK driving them, so I am going on his experience across the majority of makes and models. He has picked up a couple of end of lease Teslas with the battery's completely shot. He picked up a Toyota with a full charge and after 90 miles he was looking for a charging point. The oldest any of these cars are 3 years old and end of lease. So I get a reasonable assessment of most cars. | | | |
| Electric Cars on 20:32 - Jan 3 with 810 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Electric Cars on 20:22 - Jan 3 by Whiterockin |
I did not say the range drops on all cars but is known to happen. I have a mate who collects and delivers cars throughout the UK driving them, so I am going on his experience across the majority of makes and models. He has picked up a couple of end of lease Teslas with the battery's completely shot. He picked up a Toyota with a full charge and after 90 miles he was looking for a charging point. The oldest any of these cars are 3 years old and end of lease. So I get a reasonable assessment of most cars. |
Engines on some petrol vehicles have needed to be changed after 4 years. The exception to the norm does not mean every engine or every battery will need changing.
You are free to have any type of vehicle you want. Not as if the manufacturers of diesel vehicles ever cheated the public. | |
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| Electric Cars on 20:48 - Jan 3 with 791 views | Whiterockin |
| Electric Cars on 20:32 - Jan 3 by felixstowe_jack |
Engines on some petrol vehicles have needed to be changed after 4 years. The exception to the norm does not mean every engine or every battery will need changing.
You are free to have any type of vehicle you want. Not as if the manufacturers of diesel vehicles ever cheated the public. |
I have no interest in getting into an argument, just passing on unbiased first hand experience that was given to me, to anyone interested. | | | |
| Electric Cars on 10:42 - Jan 4 with 715 views | lifelong |
Nio the Chinese electric car maker has introduced a battery swap system in China, and some European countries. Apparently it is planning to introduce its vehicles into the UK when it can get the battery swap stations sorted.
Takes about 5 minutes to swap the battery, allegedly. |  | | |
| Electric Cars on 10:44 - Jan 4 with 710 views | onehunglow |
| Electric Cars on 10:42 - Jan 4 by lifelong |
Nio the Chinese electric car maker has introduced a battery swap system in China, and some European countries. Apparently it is planning to introduce its vehicles into the UK when it can get the battery swap stations sorted.
Takes about 5 minutes to swap the battery, allegedly. |
You fancy one Lifey.
My son in law is trying to influence me to get an Enyaq.
Insurance is slightly dearer ,servicing by main dealer isn’t much cheaper so that leaves the cost of the car alone .
Skoda Enyaq or a Lexus NH 350 is where we are
I might just keep my wonderful CX 5 instead . Great car . My third | |
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| Electric Cars on 11:00 - Jan 4 with 705 views | lifelong |
| Electric Cars on 10:44 - Jan 4 by onehunglow |
You fancy one Lifey.
My son in law is trying to influence me to get an Enyaq.
Insurance is slightly dearer ,servicing by main dealer isn’t much cheaper so that leaves the cost of the car alone .
Skoda Enyaq or a Lexus NH 350 is where we are
I might just keep my wonderful CX 5 instead . Great car . My third |
Wouldn’t mind one for the Mrs who only drives short distances, she currently drives a Astra 1,4 petrol 5 years old with very low mileage. I have a BMW X3, 4 years old..I love it. | | | |
| Electric Cars on 13:12 - Jan 4 with 678 views | onehunglow |
| Electric Cars on 11:00 - Jan 4 by lifelong |
Wouldn’t mind one for the Mrs who only drives short distances, she currently drives a Astra 1,4 petrol 5 years old with very low mileage. I have a BMW X3, 4 years old..I love it. |
Nice.
Are those X3 s reasonable to run ? | |
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| Electric Cars on 13:21 - Jan 4 with 666 views | lifelong |
| Electric Cars on 13:12 - Jan 4 by onehunglow |
Nice.
Are those X3 s reasonable to run ? |
Not really, tax and insurance is pricey, fuel economy is good though. I have a diesel and get mid 40’s on a run which I’m happy with. | | | |
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