| Paper interest in Freeman 09:13 - Jul 29 with 65848 views | bosh67 |
Apparently West Brom and Boro looking at a bid ITRO £3m for him. Would be a huge loss for us but given what's happened and what we bought him for that would be around a 10 fold return. Depends where we are in terms of being able to fight off bids. I imagine Freeman would be happy to stay as he plays every week here and perhaps the FFP settlement means that we don't have to get picked off by the vultures in terms of selling players. I guess if he does go we have Manning who could play that role and Chair.
Hopefully just press bluster. [Post edited 29 Jul 2018 9:13]
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| Paper interest in Freeman on 17:45 - Aug 9 with 2870 views | Fearless |
Is this real or fake? Fake I assume? [Post edited 9 Aug 2018 17:48]
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| Paper interest in Freeman on 17:54 - Aug 9 with 2753 views | traininvain |
All looks fairly positive. Kept Freeman. Loan signings will be made before the end of August. I'd imagine Hemed or Martin up front and a centre back.
Not a bad end to a day when we could've lost Freeman. Onwards and upwards. |  | | |
| Paper interest in Freeman on 18:01 - Aug 9 with 2662 views | DejR_vu |
Well, at least we managed to resist the temptation to give anyone else away for a packet of Chewits. Small positive salvaged from the wreckage. |  |
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| Paper interest in Freeman on 18:02 - Aug 9 with 2658 views | joolsyp |
| Paper interest in Freeman on 17:37 - Aug 9 by VancouverHoop |
Putting on my best Pollyanna smile...
As a club we know how to survive this division, in a sense it's kinda our home. That's not insignificant. Most (OK not all) clubs who get relegated have either just come up or just come down. A squad like ours, if coached and managed properly, should be better placed than most of them to understand what's required. |
I like the cut of your jib VancouverHoop. It's an optimistic jib but I like it nonetheless.
p.s fancy a Whitecaps game soon? Langara are doing 30% off alumni and staff deals. |  | | |
| Paper interest in Freeman on 18:14 - Aug 9 with 2565 views | loftus77 |
My take on it all. I think the way the club has handled this transfer window sums up the way it has conducted itself since relegation in 2015 — in an exemplary, prudent and forward-thinking manner.
Its work in the community, its realistic on-field ambitions and plans for the future (yes, including Warren Farm, OOC. LCS etc) all point to a leadership and management team that really understands where the club is and where it wants to go. I don’t see many clubs that have been run better than QPR in the last 3 years.
Now, the way the club was run from 1995-2015 (yep, that’s 2 decades), that’s an entirely different matter altogether IMHO. I guess it takes more than 3 years to detoxify the mistakes of 20. And the ‘bill’ came in the form of FFP which the club now has to deal with.
I guess the question we are all posing now is this - over the next 2/3 years, is the club budgeting its plans based on staying in the Championship or is it sanctioning, in financial terms, a demotion to League One (in effect, staying in the 2nd tier becomes a ‘bonus’, not a ‘given’)?
Because the difficulty is, IMHO, that The Championship is clearly no longer a ‘recuperation league’ — there are too many clubs with financial clout that we literally, under FFP, can’t compete with at the moment (even Ipswich, Blackburn, Preston and Sheff Utd are muscling in with the Premier League wannabes ‘Boro, Forest, Villa et al). Surely the club, run sensibly, can’t now be gambling on Championship survival under Steve - that would just be a repeat of the risks of recent years leading to probable disaster. I would have thought that we are adopting a League One financial model if the worst happens and if it doesn't (fingers crossed), its a bonus. We'll see. [Post edited 9 Aug 2018 18:17]
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| Paper interest in Freeman on 18:15 - Aug 9 with 2554 views | Northernr |
| Paper interest in Freeman on 21:58 - Aug 8 by Lblock |
So long Luke, we’ll miss you, quite significantly this season I think.
Not because you’ve gone which is “the QPR way now” (ie sell to a rival and significantly improve them); but because we seem patently unable to replace you or use your fee to improve other obviously weak areas.
I fully accept the need to buy low sell high, always was my mantra, and I’d accept £6.5Mill
I caveat that with the above, currently that fee would mean Bungle is £10Mill closer to having paid off the fine that he is 100% responsible for.
Boring following this club ..... it ain’t!!! |
Do you want to wave him back in? |  | | |
| Paper interest in Freeman on 18:24 - Aug 9 with 2483 views | Myke |
| Paper interest in Freeman on 17:54 - Aug 9 by traininvain |
All looks fairly positive. Kept Freeman. Loan signings will be made before the end of August. I'd imagine Hemed or Martin up front and a centre back.
Not a bad end to a day when we could've lost Freeman. Onwards and upwards. |
To be honest if Boro were heading towards 5 mill territory (or even 4,5 m) for all the reasons I outlined in previous post (about 5 pages back now!) Safe to say (A) he will not be as influential on the wing as he was through the centre , he became disillusioned at Bristol for just that reason (B) he is keeping out a really fine player in Smyth) and (C) he will never be worth this much again | | | |
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| Paper interest in Freeman on 18:27 - Aug 9 with 2460 views | Lblock |
| Paper interest in Freeman on 18:15 - Aug 9 by Northernr |
Do you want to wave him back in? |
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| Paper interest in Freeman on 18:30 - Aug 9 with 2438 views | Lblock |
| Paper interest in Freeman on 17:54 - Aug 9 by traininvain |
All looks fairly positive. Kept Freeman. Loan signings will be made before the end of August. I'd imagine Hemed or Martin up front and a centre back.
Not a bad end to a day when we could've lost Freeman. Onwards and upwards. |
So you're of the belief that the club will be able to actually get their loan targets over the line in the next three weeks whereas they failed miserably with every single rumoured (I stress rumoured) target since July???
Why is that?
You're also confident that Freeman and whoever else "bids came in for" wont actually leave in the next three weeks as loans with a view to permanent?
My cup is always half empty but come on, sometimes the past is an indicator as to what the future path may have. | |
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| Paper interest in Freeman on 18:32 - Aug 9 with 2422 views | kensalriser |
Think Northern's comment one of the most salient in all 16 pages - does Freeman want to go or not? If not then unless Boro were offering a silly uplift on his wages, he's staying put. |  |
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| Paper interest in Freeman on 18:33 - Aug 9 with 2416 views | essextaxiboy |
Could he still go on loan, with them paying a loan fee until he signs permanently in Jan ? |  | | |
| Paper interest in Freeman on 18:33 - Aug 9 with 2409 views | Mytch_QPR |
| Paper interest in Freeman on 18:30 - Aug 9 by Lblock |
So you're of the belief that the club will be able to actually get their loan targets over the line in the next three weeks whereas they failed miserably with every single rumoured (I stress rumoured) target since July???
Why is that?
You're also confident that Freeman and whoever else "bids came in for" wont actually leave in the next three weeks as loans with a view to permanent?
My cup is always half empty but come on, sometimes the past is an indicator as to what the future path may have. |
Why is that?
Financial prudence, for a start - rather than outbidding other clubs and ending up with spiralling wage bills / debts as well as a massive squad and overpaid players kicking about in the reserves. |  |
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| Paper interest in Freeman on 18:36 - Aug 9 with 2387 views | smegma |
SIXTEEN pages on something that has yet to happen and could possibly not happen this year. Do carry on as if you know what you're talking about.
Or making up. | | | |
| Paper interest in Freeman on 18:38 - Aug 9 with 2371 views | NW10Hoop |
| Paper interest in Freeman on 18:32 - Aug 9 by kensalriser |
Think Northern's comment one of the most salient in all 16 pages - does Freeman want to go or not? If not then unless Boro were offering a silly uplift on his wages, he's staying put. |
Yeah I thought our pulling power on getting him to the club was that he wanted to come home to London.
I hope he’s content at the club and continues to be one of our best. |  | | |
| Paper interest in Freeman on 18:44 - Aug 9 with 2314 views | traininvain |
| Paper interest in Freeman on 18:30 - Aug 9 by Lblock |
So you're of the belief that the club will be able to actually get their loan targets over the line in the next three weeks whereas they failed miserably with every single rumoured (I stress rumoured) target since July???
Why is that?
You're also confident that Freeman and whoever else "bids came in for" wont actually leave in the next three weeks as loans with a view to permanent?
My cup is always half empty but come on, sometimes the past is an indicator as to what the future path may have. |
The article with quotes from Hoos seems to suggest that we will be active in the loan market and won’t be loaning out any of our key players.
Hoos doesn’t strike me as someone prone to making things up but I suppose there’s a chance we might not agree any deals for the players identified as being loan targets.
Ultimately, that’s how we are operating now following FFP and the sooner we get used to it the better. | | | |
| Paper interest in Freeman on 19:02 - Aug 9 with 2206 views | Northernr |
| Paper interest in Freeman on 18:30 - Aug 9 by Lblock |
So you're of the belief that the club will be able to actually get their loan targets over the line in the next three weeks whereas they failed miserably with every single rumoured (I stress rumoured) target since July???
Why is that?
You're also confident that Freeman and whoever else "bids came in for" wont actually leave in the next three weeks as loans with a view to permanent?
My cup is always half empty but come on, sometimes the past is an indicator as to what the future path may have. |
So from waving him on his way this morning the relief that actually we didn't sell him lasted all of 90 minutes before a fresh panic about a loan deal that would be in nobody's interests and has never been mentioned? | | | |
| Paper interest in Freeman on 19:39 - Aug 9 with 2051 views | Lblock |
| Paper interest in Freeman on 19:02 - Aug 9 by Northernr |
So from waving him on his way this morning the relief that actually we didn't sell him lasted all of 90 minutes before a fresh panic about a loan deal that would be in nobody's interests and has never been mentioned? |
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| Paper interest in Freeman on 19:45 - Aug 9 with 2008 views | PunteR |
Its hardly a surprise fans were massively concerned about Freeman going and not getting decent money for him when a few weeks ago we lost Smithies.
Lets hope Maclaren can coach these players into better players and we have a decent season. By decent i mean better than the last 4. |  |
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| Paper interest in Freeman on 19:50 - Aug 9 with 1990 views | distortR |
| Paper interest in Freeman on 19:45 - Aug 9 by PunteR |
Its hardly a surprise fans were massively concerned about Freeman going and not getting decent money for him when a few weeks ago we lost Smithies.
Lets hope Maclaren can coach these players into better players and we have a decent season. By decent i mean better than the last 4. |
by 'better than the last 4', do you mean better than the last 4 seasons, or 5th from bottom?  | | | |
| Paper interest in Freeman on 19:52 - Aug 9 with 1979 views | PunteR |
| Paper interest in Freeman on 19:50 - Aug 9 by distortR |
by 'better than the last 4', do you mean better than the last 4 seasons, or 5th from bottom? |
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| Paper interest in Freeman on 19:59 - Aug 9 with 1960 views | vegasranger |
If we were really being so financially prudent why have we got both Hoos and Ferdinand? So now we've gone from getting signings in early , to now looking at the loan market. Something I could swear the club said it wasn't going to do moving forward. Clubs a mess. | | | |
| Paper interest in Freeman on 20:22 - Aug 9 with 1898 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Paper interest in Freeman on 18:14 - Aug 9 by loftus77 |
My take on it all. I think the way the club has handled this transfer window sums up the way it has conducted itself since relegation in 2015 — in an exemplary, prudent and forward-thinking manner.
Its work in the community, its realistic on-field ambitions and plans for the future (yes, including Warren Farm, OOC. LCS etc) all point to a leadership and management team that really understands where the club is and where it wants to go. I don’t see many clubs that have been run better than QPR in the last 3 years.
Now, the way the club was run from 1995-2015 (yep, that’s 2 decades), that’s an entirely different matter altogether IMHO. I guess it takes more than 3 years to detoxify the mistakes of 20. And the ‘bill’ came in the form of FFP which the club now has to deal with.
I guess the question we are all posing now is this - over the next 2/3 years, is the club budgeting its plans based on staying in the Championship or is it sanctioning, in financial terms, a demotion to League One (in effect, staying in the 2nd tier becomes a ‘bonus’, not a ‘given’)?
Because the difficulty is, IMHO, that The Championship is clearly no longer a ‘recuperation league’ — there are too many clubs with financial clout that we literally, under FFP, can’t compete with at the moment (even Ipswich, Blackburn, Preston and Sheff Utd are muscling in with the Premier League wannabes ‘Boro, Forest, Villa et al). Surely the club, run sensibly, can’t now be gambling on Championship survival under Steve - that would just be a repeat of the risks of recent years leading to probable disaster. I would have thought that we are adopting a League One financial model if the worst happens and if it doesn't (fingers crossed), its a bonus. We'll see. [Post edited 9 Aug 2018 18:17]
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Excellent post, 77.
The last two paragraphs are food for thought. |  |
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| Paper interest in Freeman on 20:27 - Aug 9 with 1871 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Paper interest in Freeman on 19:59 - Aug 9 by vegasranger |
If we were really being so financially prudent why have we got both Hoos and Ferdinand? So now we've gone from getting signings in early , to now looking at the loan market. Something I could swear the club said it wasn't going to do moving forward. Clubs a mess. |
Hiring Hoos and Ferdinand is the epitome of financial prudence, their good work has saved us many multiples of their wages, so they've paid their way and then some.
As for the loans, I'm not a huge fan, but I can live with it now. Warnock was opposed to loads of loans, which was fair enough. Now we're only taking about a couple of loans and they would join a solid core that is stable and hard-working. I can live with that. | |
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| Paper interest in Freeman on 21:36 - Aug 9 with 1739 views | Hunterhoop |
| Paper interest in Freeman on 18:14 - Aug 9 by loftus77 |
My take on it all. I think the way the club has handled this transfer window sums up the way it has conducted itself since relegation in 2015 — in an exemplary, prudent and forward-thinking manner.
Its work in the community, its realistic on-field ambitions and plans for the future (yes, including Warren Farm, OOC. LCS etc) all point to a leadership and management team that really understands where the club is and where it wants to go. I don’t see many clubs that have been run better than QPR in the last 3 years.
Now, the way the club was run from 1995-2015 (yep, that’s 2 decades), that’s an entirely different matter altogether IMHO. I guess it takes more than 3 years to detoxify the mistakes of 20. And the ‘bill’ came in the form of FFP which the club now has to deal with.
I guess the question we are all posing now is this - over the next 2/3 years, is the club budgeting its plans based on staying in the Championship or is it sanctioning, in financial terms, a demotion to League One (in effect, staying in the 2nd tier becomes a ‘bonus’, not a ‘given’)?
Because the difficulty is, IMHO, that The Championship is clearly no longer a ‘recuperation league’ — there are too many clubs with financial clout that we literally, under FFP, can’t compete with at the moment (even Ipswich, Blackburn, Preston and Sheff Utd are muscling in with the Premier League wannabes ‘Boro, Forest, Villa et al). Surely the club, run sensibly, can’t now be gambling on Championship survival under Steve - that would just be a repeat of the risks of recent years leading to probable disaster. I would have thought that we are adopting a League One financial model if the worst happens and if it doesn't (fingers crossed), its a bonus. We'll see. [Post edited 9 Aug 2018 18:17]
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