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"knowing he was breaking the law and knowing it would get him publicity" He was arrested for breach the peace which states: 'Fighting or challenging someone to fight in a public place; Using offensive words in a public place likely to incite violence; Shouting in a public place intending to incite violence or unlawful activity; Bullying a student on or near school grounds; Knocking loudly on hotel doors of sleeping guests with the purpose of annoying them; Holding an unlawful public assembly; Shouting profanities out of a car window in front of a person's home over an extended period of time; Allowing excessive dog barking in a residential area; and Intentionally playing loud music during the night that continues, even after a fair warning.' Certainty didn't do any of that, so what law was broken! "Completely lawless society. It would mean pedophiles could groom children under the 'freedom of speech" Yet Tommy Robinson was reporting on a case outside of the court (like any other case) about a Muslim man grooming a girl and was arrested so the fact that you think is OK to arrest him proves you nothing more than a hypocrite & your the one contributing towards a lawless society that is allowing pedophiles to groom children. Nobody says that is "freedom of speech" so stop generalizing
You forgot to add "bursting into Mosques and disturbing and hassling peaceful Muslims in their place of worship"
You forgot to add "bursting into Mosques and disturbing and hassling peaceful Muslims in their place of worship"
Have a look on YouTube - he actually did this.
In which he asked the Iman of the mosque if he could speak to him OUTSIDE of the mosque, so he didn't "burst into Mosques disturbing and hassling peaceful Muslims in their place of worship"
"knowing he was breaking the law and knowing it would get him publicity" He was arrested for breach the peace which states: 'Fighting or challenging someone to fight in a public place; Using offensive words in a public place likely to incite violence; Shouting in a public place intending to incite violence or unlawful activity; Bullying a student on or near school grounds; Knocking loudly on hotel doors of sleeping guests with the purpose of annoying them; Holding an unlawful public assembly; Shouting profanities out of a car window in front of a person's home over an extended period of time; Allowing excessive dog barking in a residential area; and Intentionally playing loud music during the night that continues, even after a fair warning.' Certainty didn't do any of that, so what law was broken! "Completely lawless society. It would mean pedophiles could groom children under the 'freedom of speech" Yet Tommy Robinson was reporting on a case outside of the court (like any other case) about a Muslim man grooming a girl and was arrested so the fact that you think is OK to arrest him proves you nothing more than a hypocrite & your the one contributing towards a lawless society that is allowing pedophiles to groom children. Nobody says that is "freedom of speech" so stop generalizing
It is now widely accepted that an appropriate definition can be obtained from the 1981 case, R v. Howell. This case led to the definition of breach of the peace as being actions which cause harm to another person or cause harm to their property in their presence, as well as actions that are likely to instigate such harm. (Your examples are incomplete - I was threatened with breach of the peace for photographing a police officer who was videoing me on the way to the Liberty.) A breach of the peace can occur on both private or public property and grounds. The police are authorised to arrest a person who has caused, is causing or is believed to be about to commit a breach of the peace. The police are further authorised to detain such people. So ... he was breaching the peace as defined, he was detained by the police as the law instructs and then he was found to have breached the conditions of his suspended sentence and his incarceration was for 'contempt of court by publishing information that could prejudice an ongoing trial via a live stream on his Facebook page' .... which he admitted. Are you trying to say he is so thick he admits to something he hasn't done? Your rant about pedophiles is not about pedophiles it's about Muslim pedophiles. Nowhere and never would I advocate 'allowing' pedophiles to groom children. That fella is a truly sick and twisted comment. The trial was happening (spelled out that means those accused of grooming were on trial and the law was doing its job) for fear of compromising the trial and making the victims re-tell their abuse reporting restrictions were in place. (Meaning reporting could not be done during the trial but all restrictions would be lifter at the end. Robinson was breaking that directive (during which time he was also identifying as pedophiles people who had nothing to do with the case). If I had been one of those the safest place for Robinson would be in prison ... by definition he has breached another court order (not specifically his) and committed breach of the peace as his actions would have incited me. But tell me, why has Robinson not acted like this at over 100 'mass grooming' of white, British pedophiles that have been prosecuted since this trial started. Nor has being a pedphile prevented white English men sharing a platform with two-faced Tommy. Are these evil bastards going to prison, yes. Because they broke the law. Why is Robinson in prison, because ehe broke the law. He has little regard for British law as his rap sheet shows:
2003, he was convicted for drunken assault of an off-duty police officer. He served a 12-month prison sentence. Robinson was convicted in 2011 of using "threatening, abusive or insulting behaviour" during a fight he led between supporters of Luton Town and Newport County in Luton the previous year. Robinson reportedly led the group of Luton fans, and played an integral part in starting a 100-man brawl, during which he chanted "EDL till I die". He was given a 12-month community rehabilitation order with 150 hours' unpaid work and a three-year ban from attending football matches. Robinson was arrested again after an EDL demonstration in Tower Hamlets in September 2011 for breach of bail conditions, as he had been banned from attending that demonstration. On 29 September 2011, Robinson was convicted of common assault after headbutting a fellow EDL member at a rally in Blackburn in April that year. He was sentences to 12 weeks' imprisonment, suspended for 12 months. On 8 November 2011, Robinson held a protest on the rooftop of the FIFA headquarters in Zürich against FIFA's ruling that the England national football team could not wear a Remembrance poppy symbol on their shirts. For this he was fined £3,000 and jailed for three days. In October 2012, Robinson was arrested and held on the charge of having entered the United States illegally. Robinson pleaded guilty at Southwark Crown Court to using someone else's passport to travel to the United States in September 2012, and was sentenced in January to 10 months' imprisonment. He was released on electronic tag on 22 February 2013. On 27 August 2016, eighteen Luton Town football supporters, including Robinson and his family, were ejected from a Cambridge pub on the day of the Cambridge United versus Luton football match by police. In May 2017, he was arrested for contempt of court after he attempted to take video of the defendants in a child rape case outside Canterbury Crown Court.
Following an attack on a mosque, Robinson’s statements were widely criticised in the media as inciting hatred. Appearing the next morning on Good Morning Britain, the host, Piers Morgan, accused him of "stirring up hatred like a bigoted lunatic", and Robinson's appearance drew a number of complaints to Ofcom Robinson was involved in a fight at Royal Ascot later in June 2017. In May 2017, Robinson was convicted of contempt of court for using a camera inside Canterbury Crown Court and received a suspended sentence. According to Judge Heather Norton, "This is not about free speech, not about the freedom of the press, nor about legitimate journalism, and not about political correctness. It is about justice and ensuring that a trial can be carried out justly and fairly, it's about being innocent until proven guilty. It is about preserving the integrity of the jury to continue without people being intimidated or being affected by irresponsible and inaccurate 'reporting,' if that's what it was”. Most recently - Robinson admitted contempt of court by publishing information that could prejudice an ongoing trial, and had been sentenced to 13 months' imprisonment . Sentencing Robinson to ten months for contempt of court, his previous three months' suspended sentence was activated because of the breach. Robinson's lawyer said that Robinson felt "deep regret" after comprehending the potential consequences of his behaviour. Robinson was told that if the trial had to be re-run as a result of his actions the cost could be "hundreds and hundreds of thousands of pounds”. Arrested for Breach of the Peace but jailed for contempt of court. Given his previous record he got off lightly.
It is now widely accepted that an appropriate definition can be obtained from the 1981 case, R v. Howell. This case led to the definition of breach of the peace as being actions which cause harm to another person or cause harm to their property in their presence, as well as actions that are likely to instigate such harm. (Your examples are incomplete - I was threatened with breach of the peace for photographing a police officer who was videoing me on the way to the Liberty.) A breach of the peace can occur on both private or public property and grounds. The police are authorised to arrest a person who has caused, is causing or is believed to be about to commit a breach of the peace. The police are further authorised to detain such people. So ... he was breaching the peace as defined, he was detained by the police as the law instructs and then he was found to have breached the conditions of his suspended sentence and his incarceration was for 'contempt of court by publishing information that could prejudice an ongoing trial via a live stream on his Facebook page' .... which he admitted. Are you trying to say he is so thick he admits to something he hasn't done? Your rant about pedophiles is not about pedophiles it's about Muslim pedophiles. Nowhere and never would I advocate 'allowing' pedophiles to groom children. That fella is a truly sick and twisted comment. The trial was happening (spelled out that means those accused of grooming were on trial and the law was doing its job) for fear of compromising the trial and making the victims re-tell their abuse reporting restrictions were in place. (Meaning reporting could not be done during the trial but all restrictions would be lifter at the end. Robinson was breaking that directive (during which time he was also identifying as pedophiles people who had nothing to do with the case). If I had been one of those the safest place for Robinson would be in prison ... by definition he has breached another court order (not specifically his) and committed breach of the peace as his actions would have incited me. But tell me, why has Robinson not acted like this at over 100 'mass grooming' of white, British pedophiles that have been prosecuted since this trial started. Nor has being a pedphile prevented white English men sharing a platform with two-faced Tommy. Are these evil bastards going to prison, yes. Because they broke the law. Why is Robinson in prison, because ehe broke the law. He has little regard for British law as his rap sheet shows:
2003, he was convicted for drunken assault of an off-duty police officer. He served a 12-month prison sentence. Robinson was convicted in 2011 of using "threatening, abusive or insulting behaviour" during a fight he led between supporters of Luton Town and Newport County in Luton the previous year. Robinson reportedly led the group of Luton fans, and played an integral part in starting a 100-man brawl, during which he chanted "EDL till I die". He was given a 12-month community rehabilitation order with 150 hours' unpaid work and a three-year ban from attending football matches. Robinson was arrested again after an EDL demonstration in Tower Hamlets in September 2011 for breach of bail conditions, as he had been banned from attending that demonstration. On 29 September 2011, Robinson was convicted of common assault after headbutting a fellow EDL member at a rally in Blackburn in April that year. He was sentences to 12 weeks' imprisonment, suspended for 12 months. On 8 November 2011, Robinson held a protest on the rooftop of the FIFA headquarters in Zürich against FIFA's ruling that the England national football team could not wear a Remembrance poppy symbol on their shirts. For this he was fined £3,000 and jailed for three days. In October 2012, Robinson was arrested and held on the charge of having entered the United States illegally. Robinson pleaded guilty at Southwark Crown Court to using someone else's passport to travel to the United States in September 2012, and was sentenced in January to 10 months' imprisonment. He was released on electronic tag on 22 February 2013. On 27 August 2016, eighteen Luton Town football supporters, including Robinson and his family, were ejected from a Cambridge pub on the day of the Cambridge United versus Luton football match by police. In May 2017, he was arrested for contempt of court after he attempted to take video of the defendants in a child rape case outside Canterbury Crown Court.
Following an attack on a mosque, Robinson’s statements were widely criticised in the media as inciting hatred. Appearing the next morning on Good Morning Britain, the host, Piers Morgan, accused him of "stirring up hatred like a bigoted lunatic", and Robinson's appearance drew a number of complaints to Ofcom Robinson was involved in a fight at Royal Ascot later in June 2017. In May 2017, Robinson was convicted of contempt of court for using a camera inside Canterbury Crown Court and received a suspended sentence. According to Judge Heather Norton, "This is not about free speech, not about the freedom of the press, nor about legitimate journalism, and not about political correctness. It is about justice and ensuring that a trial can be carried out justly and fairly, it's about being innocent until proven guilty. It is about preserving the integrity of the jury to continue without people being intimidated or being affected by irresponsible and inaccurate 'reporting,' if that's what it was”. Most recently - Robinson admitted contempt of court by publishing information that could prejudice an ongoing trial, and had been sentenced to 13 months' imprisonment . Sentencing Robinson to ten months for contempt of court, his previous three months' suspended sentence was activated because of the breach. Robinson's lawyer said that Robinson felt "deep regret" after comprehending the potential consequences of his behaviour. Robinson was told that if the trial had to be re-run as a result of his actions the cost could be "hundreds and hundreds of thousands of pounds”. Arrested for Breach of the Peace but jailed for contempt of court. Given his previous record he got off lightly.
"Nowhere and never would I advocate 'allowing' pedophiles to groom children. That fella is a truly sick and twisted comment" Don't make generalized comments then, we say it's freedom of speech because he has the right as independent media to report on this case. You said "Freedom speech leads to lawless state where pedophiles are allowed to groom children under "freedom of speech" so don't call me sick and twisted when you said that. Also you say Robinson broke the law. Well Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, Gandhi and the Jews (under Nuremberg Laws) broke the law does that make the arrest justified? Here are videos you should watch:
The judge has actually admitted that TR didn't get due process and that his previous conviction was irrelevant.He was jailed for the content of what he said in his live commentary.He broke no laws, just been silenced for giving his opinion.
"Nowhere and never would I advocate 'allowing' pedophiles to groom children. That fella is a truly sick and twisted comment" Don't make generalized comments then, we say it's freedom of speech because he has the right as independent media to report on this case. You said "Freedom speech leads to lawless state where pedophiles are allowed to groom children under "freedom of speech" so don't call me sick and twisted when you said that. Also you say Robinson broke the law. Well Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, Gandhi and the Jews (under Nuremberg Laws) broke the law does that make the arrest justified? Here are videos you should watch:
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How fecking stupid can people get? He entered a *guilty* plea. Guilty, you feckwits, so it can't be a wrongful arrest. He'd been warned before by a judge his deliberate sh*t stirring could affect the outcome of a court case and lead to potentially guilty paedos walking free. And then he did it again.
Anyone who supports this complete and utter c*nt is potentially *stopping* the law prosecuting child rapists. Which makes them as vile and contemptible as Stephen Yaxley-Lennon.
The judge has actually admitted that TR didn't get due process and that his previous conviction was irrelevant.He was jailed for the content of what he said in his live commentary.He broke no laws, just been silenced for giving his opinion.
Caolan Robertson, Tommy Robinsons producer who was in court at the time
So one of Tommy’s mates says that the judge said that Tommy didn’t break any laws just before finding him guilty and sending him to jail? Sound plausible that. I’m sold.
And I thought part of the conspiracy was that the proceedings took place in closed court without any witnesses or representation?
So one of Tommy’s mates says that the judge said that Tommy didn’t break any laws just before finding him guilty and sending him to jail? Sound plausible that. I’m sold.
And I thought part of the conspiracy was that the proceedings took place in closed court without any witnesses or representation?
There was no reporting allowed, there were ppl at court, but the restriction has been lifted now
He wasn't allowed his lawyer and took advice from the duty solicitor who told him he would do a few weeks at most, but that didn't work out did it?
11. I heard that Tommy Robinson was denied his own lawyer, and had to have a duty lawyer who was in fact a PROSECUTION lawyer and who didn’t properly defend him.
The barrister previously instructed by Yaxley-Lennon has confirmed that she was not present at court for these proceedings. She is understandably declining to comment further unless or until authorised to do so. But in any case, Yaxley-Lennon was defended by an experienced member of the independent criminal Bar. He may have been offered the duty solicitor at the police station if his chosen solicitor was not available, but in the Crown Court hearing he was advised and represented by a specialist criminal barrister with over 16 years of experience of cases including murder, people-trafficking, serious violence and serious sexual offences. As an independent barrister, this professional prosecutes as well as defends (most of us do), but his website profile in fact emphasises his experience as a defence advocate. In other words, Yaxley-Lennon had a top-notch defence barrister fighting his corner.
11. I heard that Tommy Robinson was denied his own lawyer, and had to have a duty lawyer who was in fact a PROSECUTION lawyer and who didn’t properly defend him.
The barrister previously instructed by Yaxley-Lennon has confirmed that she was not present at court for these proceedings. She is understandably declining to comment further unless or until authorised to do so. But in any case, Yaxley-Lennon was defended by an experienced member of the independent criminal Bar. He may have been offered the duty solicitor at the police station if his chosen solicitor was not available, but in the Crown Court hearing he was advised and represented by a specialist criminal barrister with over 16 years of experience of cases including murder, people-trafficking, serious violence and serious sexual offences. As an independent barrister, this professional prosecutes as well as defends (most of us do), but his website profile in fact emphasises his experience as a defence advocate. In other words, Yaxley-Lennon had a top-notch defence barrister fighting his corner.
that was the advice he was given by this solicitor and it backfired
So one of Tommy’s mates says that the judge said that Tommy didn’t break any laws just before finding him guilty and sending him to jail? Sound plausible that. I’m sold.
And I thought part of the conspiracy was that the proceedings took place in closed court without any witnesses or representation?
They aren't that bright, are they?
In any case Robinson knew he was guilty. He had been arrested and convicted for almost the same thing last year for which he was under suspended sentence. Any arrest (and he was legally arrested for breach of the peace) would automatically have had him jail with or without a solicitor. The second offence would have gone to court at a later date - given he knew he was knowingly breaking a court order and the conditions of his previous sentence - he had no defence and pleading not guilty would have added to the jail time. If the grooming case fails he will almost certainly have a significant sentence added to his jail time.
He constantly whines when he's found to be breaking the English Law. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
Yeah but who said the solicitor gave him this advice?
It was said by his producer who was in court at the time and he's hardly likely to lie about what the solicitor or judge said and then go public is he? TR has also been on the phone to him from the nick
It was said by his producer who was in court at the time and he's hardly likely to lie about what the solicitor or judge said and then go public is he? TR has also been on the phone to him from the nick
Ah. Tommy’s mate. Thought so. Definitely no reason for him to make things up to feed to Tommy’s fanboys.
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