| Tidal lagoon 18:41 - Dec 19 with 27947 views | Nogginthenog |
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| Tidal lagoon on 12:17 - Jun 5 with 3417 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Tidal lagoon on 11:49 - Jun 5 by Badlands |
All power stations have negative impacts but procedures are put in place to minimise the problems.
The silts that have built up in the area would be dredged and removed and reduce the current level of leaching. It would effectively clean up much of the background pollution.
I would dispute any claim of tidal disruption as, in the context of the area, this is a blip. For a couple of hundred years this part of the UK was one of the busiest and heavily industrials sections of coast yet we still have the wonderful coastline we enjoy today.
It's height it would be barely notable given the bland to industrial (via built up - university) views currently enjoyed it. Wind turbines, coal / oil / gas / nuclear / powered stations all have a visual impact.
The huge cost wasn't't just to plonk concrete and turbines in the sea.
I believe this and the electrification of rail only as far as Cardiff will have a very damaging effect on the region. Had we had this attitude in the 1700s Swansea would now be on par with Tenby.
You don't make cakes without breaking eggs. |
Except the attitude in the 1700s &1800 & 1900s had nothing to do with Governments and all to do with Men investing their own money to make a lot more of it.
They weren't asking the taxpayers to fork out billions to help them out.
I can undrstand the frustration here, the High Speed Rail is a "vanity Project" and a total waste of money, by comparison the half a million for line electrification is a drop in the ocean.
Also when the Government is also quite happy to give away £18Bn a year to Foreign Aid (another feel good factor project) while starving the rest of the UK of funds is absolutley disgusting.
See this to make your blood boil :-
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5805873/Ministers-undermining-trust-fore [Post edited 13 Jun 2018 14:38]
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| Tidal lagoon on 12:34 - Jun 5 with 3396 views | TailGunner |
The visitor centre visual I saw was on land not out to sea...
I have spoken to someone involved with nature conservation several times about this - they had no real major concerns, other than the financial side.
No matter what your position, so called expertise - or accessibility to information.. NOBODYy has built a tidal lagoon before - so please don't claim your views as facts... | | | |
| Tidal lagoon on 12:54 - Jun 5 with 3364 views | Batterseajack |
| Tidal lagoon on 12:08 - Jun 5 by A_Fans_Dad |
Big Chunks out of the daily grid demand, you jest surely?
320MW at it's peak out of 39,000MW and that is only the summer requirement. |
320MV is a sizeable chunk and could be an even bigger sizeable chunk if the other lagoons were to be installed. I never said it would deliver the entire power demand, but would work to complement other means of power generation. We can’t keep burning fossil fuels for every or rely on nuclear fuel shipped in from abroad. [Post edited 5 Jun 2018 12:56]
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| Tidal lagoon on 13:06 - Jun 5 with 3349 views | swanforthemoney |
Its disappointing if it dosnt go ahead.
The thing I cant fathom is this: tidal lagoons are a concept thats not been built before, and the Swansea operation is acting as a sort of prototype, albeit at a commercial scale, for bigger lagoons to be built elsewhere, such in Cardiff.
What has been obvious for some time is that its far too expensive, especially for an unproven concept. So why dont they build out a smaller prototype ? For example one with a single turbine and a smaller sea wall.
The cost per kilowatt hour would obviously be far more, but the actual prototype cost would surely be much less, although it wouldnt be at a commercial scale and would effectively be a write-off.. The benefit, if it worked is that it could prove the concept without costing billions in initial outlay. If it doesnt work ,the outlay and write-off would be less than the full blown Swansea Tidal lagoon.
BTW the cost of offshore wind is dropping all the time and I think that is the last nail in the Tidal Laggon coffin. |  |
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| Tidal lagoon on 13:39 - Jun 5 with 3325 views | Batterseajack |
| Tidal lagoon on 13:06 - Jun 5 by swanforthemoney |
Its disappointing if it dosnt go ahead.
The thing I cant fathom is this: tidal lagoons are a concept thats not been built before, and the Swansea operation is acting as a sort of prototype, albeit at a commercial scale, for bigger lagoons to be built elsewhere, such in Cardiff.
What has been obvious for some time is that its far too expensive, especially for an unproven concept. So why dont they build out a smaller prototype ? For example one with a single turbine and a smaller sea wall.
The cost per kilowatt hour would obviously be far more, but the actual prototype cost would surely be much less, although it wouldnt be at a commercial scale and would effectively be a write-off.. The benefit, if it worked is that it could prove the concept without costing billions in initial outlay. If it doesnt work ,the outlay and write-off would be less than the full blown Swansea Tidal lagoon.
BTW the cost of offshore wind is dropping all the time and I think that is the last nail in the Tidal Laggon coffin. |
Like the Rance tidal power station in northern France | | | |
| Tidal lagoon on 14:03 - Jun 5 with 3316 views | moonie |
What s the next Swansea plan to get binned? | | | |
| Tidal lagoon on 14:35 - Jun 5 with 3294 views | Scotia |
| Tidal lagoon on 12:34 - Jun 5 by TailGunner |
The visitor centre visual I saw was on land not out to sea...
I have spoken to someone involved with nature conservation several times about this - they had no real major concerns, other than the financial side.
No matter what your position, so called expertise - or accessibility to information.. NOBODYy has built a tidal lagoon before - so please don't claim your views as facts... |
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/oct/08/tidal-power-swansea-bay-lago
Well the visitor centre looks a bit out to sea to me in that picture, of course there is no way it could be built there, but it show how farcical their claims are. They've even mentioned its "unique seascape" previously. Watch the youtube clip on their website, it's laughable.
Well the people who decide if the scheme will have negative impacts clearly have concerns because they haven't been awarded a marine licence, years after applying for one. My background and profession is conservation and coastal processes which Is why I have so many concerns.
I've stated my views being in reports as fact. Nobody knows exactly what'll happen until it's built, as I've said before let them experiment somewhere else before they potentially destroy Swansea Bay. | | | |
| Tidal lagoon on 14:48 - Jun 5 with 3285 views | Scotia |
| Tidal lagoon on 11:49 - Jun 5 by Badlands |
All power stations have negative impacts but procedures are put in place to minimise the problems.
The silts that have built up in the area would be dredged and removed and reduce the current level of leaching. It would effectively clean up much of the background pollution.
I would dispute any claim of tidal disruption as, in the context of the area, this is a blip. For a couple of hundred years this part of the UK was one of the busiest and heavily industrials sections of coast yet we still have the wonderful coastline we enjoy today.
It's height it would be barely notable given the bland to industrial (via built up - university) views currently enjoyed it. Wind turbines, coal / oil / gas / nuclear / powered stations all have a visual impact.
The huge cost wasn't't just to plonk concrete and turbines in the sea.
I believe this and the electrification of rail only as far as Cardiff will have a very damaging effect on the region. Had we had this attitude in the 1700s Swansea would now be on par with Tenby.
You don't make cakes without breaking eggs. |
The "procedures put in place" are the marine licence and other requirements. They haven't got one. Plus believe it or not the lagoon company said it will have no impact whatsoever when they first started
At present the silts are leaching a tiny amount. Even if they did dredge the silt the disturbance is immense. Have you seen the dredger in the mouth of the Tawe? The water turns black with sediment when it's operating.
This is a blip designed to intercept the tide, and it's a much bigger blip than anything before. Basically the tide moves left to right across Swansea bay for most of the cycle. This would stop and totally change the way sediment is transported. What is now sand on the beach could be mud. | | | |
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| Tidal lagoon on 15:44 - Jun 5 with 3245 views | exhmrc1 |
| Tidal lagoon on 14:03 - Jun 5 by moonie |
What s the next Swansea plan to get binned? |
Probably the city deal. It is good that you are beginning to see the problems we face. When this was first announced the tories had won gower and wanted to keep it so promised things. Now they have lost it and there is no likelyhood of them gaining seats they prefer to spend money in areas where they can win seats. . the labour party has done nothing for our area. they dont need votes and take it for granted. the last time they put something in the area was the dvla and that was panic due to the victory of Plaid in Carmarthen. | | | |
| Tidal lagoon on 16:12 - Jun 5 with 3211 views | Badlands |
| Tidal lagoon on 15:44 - Jun 5 by exhmrc1 |
Probably the city deal. It is good that you are beginning to see the problems we face. When this was first announced the tories had won gower and wanted to keep it so promised things. Now they have lost it and there is no likelyhood of them gaining seats they prefer to spend money in areas where they can win seats. . the labour party has done nothing for our area. they dont need votes and take it for granted. the last time they put something in the area was the dvla and that was panic due to the victory of Plaid in Carmarthen. |
Without the Labour Party Swansea would be nowhere.
£millions has been put into the area by the WAG and more via EU grants than almost any region in the country. I shudder at what Swansea would have been like with these interventions especially as the last 8 years has seen the city decline bit by bit.
When Westminster Tories take over the running of Wales expect even less. |  |
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| Tidal lagoon on 16:41 - Jun 5 with 3186 views | A_Fans_Dad |
£200M, isn't that nearly halfway for the rail Electrification?
But another £1.1Bn needed for the lagoon.
He knows where his priorities are. | | | |
| Tidal lagoon on 16:55 - Jun 5 with 3170 views | Highjack |
| Tidal lagoon on 16:41 - Jun 5 by A_Fans_Dad |
£200M, isn't that nearly halfway for the rail Electrification?
But another £1.1Bn needed for the lagoon.
He knows where his priorities are. |
You could get Sergio Ramos banned for that sort of money if you were an Egyptian barrister |  |
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| Tidal lagoon on 17:15 - Jun 5 with 3156 views | exhmrc1 |
| Tidal lagoon on 16:12 - Jun 5 by Badlands |
Without the Labour Party Swansea would be nowhere.
£millions has been put into the area by the WAG and more via EU grants than almost any region in the country. I shudder at what Swansea would have been like with these interventions especially as the last 8 years has seen the city decline bit by bit.
When Westminster Tories take over the running of Wales expect even less. |
the labour party closed the leisure centre. It took the Lib Dem administration to build LC2. The Lib Dem got the bus station built. Unfortunately the local labour party are doing nothing to bring things here whilst all the money goes to Cardiff. | | | |
| Tidal lagoon on 18:37 - Jun 5 with 3123 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
It’s not happening
Never mind we’ve got some new cable cars |  |
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| Tidal lagoon on 19:22 - Jun 5 with 3096 views | moonie |
Revenue man.
Ease off on the patronising shyte ,there s a good boy.
Nobody knows how this scheme would pan out but it was a chance,an opportunity .
Swansea and Wales doesn't help itself with the class warriors we seem populated with.
It's entirely possible governments of all pursuasions see Wales as an irritant ,at best. | | | |
| Tidal lagoon on 19:57 - Jun 5 with 3067 views | Badlands |
Lastest is WAG have offered to provide £200,000,000 (I would think last throw of EU dice) into the project.
It appears they are very concerned that Westminster is taking them for granted. May gave DUP a £billion for their support - WAG supported her over regional lawmaking currently shared with Brussels and got nothing. Wylfa was already going to go head.
WAG is also very concerned about steel jobs in the area ; will they survive Trump and then world markets. | |
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| Tidal lagoon on 21:05 - Jun 5 with 3036 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Tidal lagoon on 19:57 - Jun 5 by Badlands |
Lastest is WAG have offered to provide £200,000,000 (I would think last throw of EU dice) into the project.
It appears they are very concerned that Westminster is taking them for granted. May gave DUP a £billion for their support - WAG supported her over regional lawmaking currently shared with Brussels and got nothing. Wylfa was already going to go head.
WAG is also very concerned about steel jobs in the area ; will they survive Trump and then world markets. |
Yes the price for the spineless EU ‘deal’ with the Tory scum should have been ...the Swansea lagoon.
Carwyn just feck off, you complacent fecking fecker.
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| Tidal lagoon on 14:37 - Jun 12 with 2857 views | londonlisa2001 |
Interesting development is that the decision was to be announced today (UK government to fail to support).
It’s now been delayed until next week earliest.
Some chatter that they may have changed their minds at the last minute. Possibly with some amendment to the proposal. Who knows though. | | | |
| Tidal lagoon (n/t) on 15:30 - Jun 12 with 2822 views | westside |
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| Tidal lagoon on 16:13 - Jun 12 with 2778 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| Tidal lagoon on 14:37 - Jun 12 by londonlisa2001 |
Interesting development is that the decision was to be announced today (UK government to fail to support).
It’s now been delayed until next week earliest.
Some chatter that they may have changed their minds at the last minute. Possibly with some amendment to the proposal. Who knows though. |
Fingers crossed it gets the go ahead | |
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| Tidal lagoon on 16:53 - Jun 12 with 2735 views | Badlands |
The recent increase in oil and gas prices (volatile at the best of times), our reliance on foreign powers to supply fuel, the alarming unpredictably of Trump, the cost of refuelling and at least 2 decommissions of nuclear stations during the minimum lifetime of this project together with the halving of costs for future lagoons using the same technology may have (hopefully) sharpened minds.
We are an island nation with huge tidal swells - not to use that perpetual (in terms of mankind) free fuel is crazy. | |
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| Tidal lagoon on 17:49 - Jun 12 with 2708 views | moonie |
They could have saved all the cost and simply asked Dwight and the rest of the civil engineers on here as to what would happen if built, but we ll never know .
Those who thought it was a bad idea will also never know if they were right or wrong .
Meanwhile...Cardiff races ahead leaving Swansea behind in its wake but never mind | | | |
| Tidal lagoon on 18:11 - Jun 12 with 2687 views | LeonWasGod |
| Tidal lagoon on 12:34 - Jun 5 by TailGunner |
The visitor centre visual I saw was on land not out to sea...
I have spoken to someone involved with nature conservation several times about this - they had no real major concerns, other than the financial side.
No matter what your position, so called expertise - or accessibility to information.. NOBODYy has built a tidal lagoon before - so please don't claim your views as facts... |
I'm not sure which post that was in reply to as everyone on here seems to have Perch disease these days and won't reply to posts ( I digress  ).
But there have been issues all along with the environmental impact. From the little I hear from colleagues who are involved in it, the developers repeatedly failed to address concerns raised around the Burrows site in particular. In principle I'm all for the technology as long as the economics make sense (as you say, there are issues with that too) and they do genuinely consider and mitigate environmental impacts. I'm not convinced on either. Sounds like they're trying it on a bit, but I don't know if that's true.
It's a shame if this gets scuppered due to greed. A scheme sensibly priced for the consumer and properly thought out would be amazing for the region - a pioneering 'first' during which, ideally, local skills would be developed that could then be applied elsewhere. If done properly it could set Swansea up as a centre of expertise, with who knows what further opportunities down the line for further work elsewhere in the UK and beyond. |  | | |
| Tidal lagoon on 18:21 - Jun 12 with 2679 views | moonie |
Perch was surgically removed so it behaves others to prick egos and those who think they are experts from Nuclear Energy to Forensic Accountancy
Just what do us semi literate,racist ,vile Fookers do?..we read and take it what we are told by those on here who know best .Always .
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